Tom Brady says he's done "for good"

[crawhammer]

Football isn’t simply he who has the best QB wins, regardless of fanboy drivel… if that were true Tom would have closer to 23 rings and Eli Manning wouldn’t have two.

Why does Brady reach the Super Bowl 48% of the time? Including his time in Tampa Bay. Brady is in a class of his own here but Elway and Montana reached the Super Bowl 30% of the time, which is still very impressive. You think these three quarterbacks show up in the top 5 of nearly everyone's all-time list because they were lucky enough to play for teams that were "strong in all three phases"? LOL!

Who's going to win the Super Bowl this season? Mahomes... shocking!

 

[crawhammer]

Nick Foles, Joe Flacco, Brad Johnson, Jeff Hostetsler, Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli Manning (twice) went to a Super Bowl and win it. Yeah… every year it’s the superstar QB who wins it.

If Foles didn't win in 2017 because Wentz stayed healthy, then Wentz would have won it... he was odds on favorite in Vegas to win NFL MVP before he got hurt... are any of these ^ guys amazing?

Yes, actually. Flacco was brilliant in the 2012 postseason (11 TDs with 0 INT). Eli was outstanding in his two Super Bowl postseasons (15 TD with 2 INTs and 5 game-winning drives in 8 games).

Primary elite quarterbacks or elite quarterback play wins Super Bowls. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, like when a team has an all-time elite defense (2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucs, 2015 Broncos).

 

[Steve102]

I love Felger and Mazz but anyone who listens to that show for actual analysis is a buffoon. Those guys are strictly entertainment and they flat out say they don't believe half of the nonsense they come up with. They manufacture outrage and drama and they win either way. The people who agree with them listen because they agree and the people who get pissed at their nonsense wait on hold for 45 minutes to get 5 seconds to tell Felger he's an idiot.

I don't listen to them. Haven't for years.

 

[crawhammer]

I don't listen to them. Haven't for years.

Their program is heavily scripted. Hardly anything is candid spontaneity. I rarely ever listen to their program live but occasionally I'll check out podcast segments.

 

[Wozzy]

Why does Brady reach the Super Bowl 48% of the time? Including his time in Tampa Bay. Brady is in a class of his own here but Elway and Montana reached the Super Bowl 30% of the time, which is still very impressive. You think these three quarterbacks show up in the top 5 of nearly everyone's all-time list because they were lucky enough to play for teams that were "strong in all three phases"? LOL!

Yes

Who's going to win the Super Bowl this season? Mahomes... shocking!

Hurts

 

[Wozzy]

Yes, actually. Flacco was brilliant in the 2012 postseason (11 TDs with 0 INT). Eli was outstanding in his two Super Bowl postseasons (15 TD with 2 INTs and 5 game-winning drives in 8 games).

Primary elite quarterbacks or elite quarterback play wins Super Bowls. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, like when a team has an all-time elite defense (2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucs, 2015 Broncos).

Flacco wasn’t "elite," neither was Foles or Wentz in 2017, neither was Eli twice… no matter how you spin it or change the rules of what an “elite QB” is to fit the criteria.

By your estimation they were infused by magical powers for one season and that’s how they won. Ignoring of course how the season Flacco won a ring, wasn’t nearly the best statistical season of his career.

 

[crawhammer]

Flacco wasn’t elite, neither was Foles or Wentz in 2017 neither was Eli twice… no matter how you spin it or change the rules of what an “elite QB” is.

By your estimation they were infused by magical powers for one season and that’s how they won. Ignoring of course how the season Flacco won a ring wasn’t nearly the best statistical season of his career.

I'm not changing rules. I've said elite QBs or elite play from an overall non-elite QB. Even if you stick with the stricter criteria of 'elite QB' then still the majority of Super Bowls have been won by elite QBs. I'll list them all if you'd like?

I've said it many times, Flacco was lights out in that 2012 postseason. Eli was prolific and clutch in his Super Bowl postseasons. Foles played great in the 2017 postseason but that Super Bowl was played under a highly unusual circumstance perpetrated by the Patriots head coach which effected the outcome of the game.

 

[Wozzy]

I'm not changing rules. I've said elite QBs or elite play from an overall non-elite QB. Even if you stick with the stricter criteria of 'elite QB' then still the majority of Super Bowls have been won by elite QBs. I'll list them all if you'd like?

I've said it many times, Flacco was lights out in that 2012 postseason. Eli was prolific and clutch in his Super Bowl postseasons. Foles played great in the 2017 postseason but that Super Bowl was played under a highly unusual circumstance perpetrated by the Patriots head coach which effected the outcome of the game.

Your QB popularity list changes weekly depending on team results... except for Lamar Jackson for some reason, he never gets penalized no matter how bad he plays.

You first say elite QB's are necessary... then you change the criteria of what constitutes an elite QB.

Not really scientific is it...

Can you explain how in the midst of his prime (34-35 years) one season removed from being the NFL MVP, Aaron Roger’s team only won 4 and 6 games the following two years…. then after a coaching change won 13 games three seasons in a row and he won two more MVP's?

I mean, explain it other than Roger’s magical QB powers seem to fluctuate like power levels on a video game?

Can you explain how Deshaun Watson and Drew Brees put up the best statistical seasons of their careers and led the entire NFL in passing… but their teams won 4 and 7 games respectively?

Coaching matters, team matters... if you look at the teams in the playoffs they aren't just the teams with the best QB's, they're the teams with the best players on offense, defense and special teams.

Newsflash... the best teams play in the conference title games and Super Bowl, and they have the best players all over their roster... at every position.

 

[rochrist]

No disrespect but you say the same "fanboy" argument in practically every post on the subject. I'll only say that every year the teams with the best quarterbacks go the deepest in the playoffs. They all gave good coaches and good defenses usually as well. I just think the quarterback is the most important to it. Teams do too. Who gets the most pay?

Except for the years journeyman QBs go deepest. Trent Dilfer anyone? Eli Manning? Joe Flacco?

 

[PatsWSB47]

A career middle of the road quarterback can have streaks of elite play. If it happens in the playoffs, when their play finds a zone, then sure they're elite in those games. It's not a crappy quarterback that led them for those few games, it was a great one.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Except for the years journeyman QBs go deepest. Trent Dilfer anyone? Eli Manning? Joe Flacco?

"Except" by definition means an exception.

 

[rochrist]

"Except" by definition means an exception.

" I'll only say that every year the teams with the best quarterbacks go the deepest in the playoffs."

Seems like a pretty definitive statement to me, not allowing for exceptions—every year. Also, there are plenty of other examples, those are just the first that came to mind.

 

[Nehalem]

I'm not changing rules. I've said elite QBs or elite play from an overall non-elite QB. Even if you stick with the stricter criteria of 'elite QB' then still the majority of Super Bowls have been won by elite QBs. I'll list them all if you'd like?

I've said it many times, Flacco was lights out in that 2012 postseason. Eli was prolific and clutch in his Super Bowl postseasons. Foles played great in the 2017 postseason but that Super Bowl was played under a highly unusual circumstance perpetrated by the Patriots head coach which effected the outcome of the game.

Foles threw for more yards in the SB than any QB not named Kurt Warner or Tom Brady. That is pretty good company.

 

[Wozzy]

"Except" by definition means an exception.

There are 32 teams, only one team wins the Super Bowl.

Joe Gibbs won three different Super Bowls with three different journeyman QB’s… did the spirit of the holy ghost inhabit everyone of those QB’s bodies for the postseason because Gibbs was a prophet of god?

Average/merely good QB’s win Super Bowls… that shoots holes in the elite QB list nonsense.

Aaron Rogers was the league MVP last year, this year with a couple of rookie WR’s and retreads he didn’t even make the playoffs… was it because Rogers was “less than” he was last season or was it his team? Just absurd…

 

[PatsWSB47]

" I'll only say that every year the teams with the best quarterbacks go the deepest in the playoffs."

Seems like a pretty definitive statement to me, not allowing for exceptions—every year. Also, there are plenty of other examples, those are just the first that came to mind.

Aside from the exceptions, duh

 

[PatsWSB47]

There are 32 teams, only one team wins the Super Bowl.

Joe Gibbs won three different Super Bowls with three different journeyman QB’s… did the spirit of the holy ghost inhabit everyone of those QB’s bodies for the postseason because Gibbs was a prophet of god?

Average/merely good QB’s win Super Bowls… that shoots holes in the elite QB list nonsense.

Aaron Rogers was the league MVP last year, this year with a couple of rookie WR’s and retreads he didn’t even make the playoffs… was it because Rogers was “less than” he was last season or was it his team? Just absurd…

When a quarterback is playing elite, he's playing elite.

 

[Wozzy]

Foles threw for more yards in the SB than any QB not named Kurt Warner or Tom Brady. That is pretty good company.

Brady threw for 505 yards, 3 TD’s and lost.

But the better QB always wins… so Patriot fans can take comfort in that.

 

[Wozzy]

When a quarterback is playing elite, he's playing elite.

So he’s not elite right up until the moment he wins a Super Bowl… then in most cases he becomes not elite again.

This isn’t the scientific method we’re using here is it?

 

[PatsWSB47]

Brady threw for 505 yards, 3 TD’s and lost.

But the better QB always wins… so Patriot fans can take comfort in that.

We get what you've saying and saying and saying and saying

 

[Wozzy]

We get what you've saying and saying and saying and saying

Crawdaddy is here re-writing the magna carta of Brady ball washing… but you agree with him so it’s not a problem.