Tom Brady says he's done "for good"

[ahmed]

Actually, Bill offered him one year but said he couldn't pay him what he got the last year, one of the writers wrote that it was 15 mill they offered, is it accurate, not sure but there was some chatter about it.

Lol - are you serious? Clearly that was not a serious offer.

 

[ahmed]

It seems that what you're trying to say is that coaching can be a deciding factor in losing but not winning. Go back to bed.

Of course coaching matters. An incompetent coach will mess up a team regardless of how good it is. A football team, with its many moving pieces, is like an orchestra that needs to be co-ordinated 120 times a game.

 

[Bill Lee]

The fact that it turns out Purdy needs full tommy john and will be out all next season now confirms in my mind that Brady was told pretty bluntly through all the tampering channels he has that Kyle Shanahan just isn't interested in signing him. It's Trey Lance or Bust for that moron.

I guess you really can't take it in that Tom just doesn't want to play any more.

Face it, if he really did want to play, there's no reason for him to announce his retirement on February 1st, especially not after the Purdy news dropped. He'd just wait to see if there was a change of heart in SF, or see if some other dude gets injured in training camp, which always seems to happen.

Tom has decided he's done, otherwise he'd let things play out some more.

Good for him. He's got a lot going for him in life outside of being on the field.

 

[ahmed]

The argument that I hear about Russell that makes no sense is that he played against less teams. That actually makes his career more meaningful because the talent level was more concentrated.

My biggest thank you for Bill's career was the way the refs called the games. If they allowed Wilt to drop his shoulder and go through people, like Shaq did in his career, even Russell wouldn't have been able to stop Wilt.

When we look back at that 13 year stretch with 11 titles we can see that the Celtics weren't always the 1st place team but won in the playoffs. That speaks to the strength of the league.

I am not from Boston therefore not a fan of the other teams but always liked Russell for winning and the man he was off the court.

Dismissing his achievements, to me, always came off as a way to argue MJ was the best without looking like total homers.

 

[Ian]

Of course coaching matters. An incompetent coach will mess up a team regardless of how good it is. A football team, with its many moving pieces, is like an orchestra that needs to be co-ordinated 120 times a game.

This is an absolutely perfect analogy

 

[venecol]

It seems that what you're trying to say is that coaching can be a deciding factor in losing but not winning. Go back to bed.

Here's another coaching great.

“You don't win games as a coach during games. You win games as a coach before games. Players win during games, not coaches.” — Red Auerbach.

 

[Ian]

Here's another coaching great.

“You don't win games as a coach during games. You win games as a coach before games. Players win during games, not coaches.” — Red Auerbach.

You just reinforced the effect coaches make. Preparation, especially in the NFL is absolutely the difference between winning and losing.

 

[Steve102]

Here's another coaching great.

“You don't win games as a coach during games. You win games as a coach before games. Players win during games, not coaches.” — Red Auerbach.

TF does Red know? When did he coach last? The middle ages?

j/k

 

[venecol]

You may have missed it (and you’re fortunate if that’s the case) but multiple people are.

I haven't seen anyone say that coaching doesn't matter. Both @crawhammer and @Ice_Ice_Brady are arguing the relative weight attributed to coaches vs players when it comes to dubs. They along w/ 1960 and others (me included) believe it's the players that are more responsible for the wins. It only makes sense since they are the only ones making the plays. In a team sport everyone on the team contributes. Even the waterboy contributes but no one would argue that he is a major factor in victories (a bit of hyperbole to make a point). I agree w/ @Ice_Ice_Brady , coaches matter but their weighted importance in the final results is exaggerated. Some of the Bill sycophants believe differently despite his own words.

 

[venecol]

You just reinforced the effect coaches make. Preparation, especially in the NFL is absolutely the difference between winning and losing.

No it isn't. Execution is the absolute difference. Players execute, coaches coach.

 

[raduray]

I'm so lucky my fandom and Tom's career are at the intersection of a Venn diagram.

 

[Ian]

No it isn't. Execution is the absolute difference. Players execute, coaches coach.

You can argue that offensively, although finding weaknesses to exploit on offense is done by the coaches, not the players. However, coaching and putting together a plan on the defensive side of the football absolutely is critical. We’ve seen that multiple times, including the team’s first Super Bowl win being the one that stands out the most.

 

[Sect140]

What are the odds we see Brady in the Fox booth on SB Sunday?

I’m thinking they will include him in the pre-game show.

 

[Ian]

I haven't seen anyone say that coaching doesn't matter. Both @crawhammer and @Ice_Ice_Brady are arguing the relative weight attributed to coaches vs players when it comes to dubs. They along w/ 1960 and others (me included) believe it's the players that are more responsible for the wins. It only makes sense since they are the only ones making the plays. In a team sport everyone on the team contributes. Even the waterboy contributes but no one would argue that he is a major factor in victories (a bit of hyperbole to make a point). I agree w/ @Ice_Ice_Brady , coaches matter but their weighted importance in the final results is exaggerated. Some of the Bill sycophants believe differently despite his own words.

I’m not debating the value of the QB, which is critical to the success of 100% of the coaches in the league. I get you love Tom and hate Bill. But seeing people like you and craw dismissing his effect and diminishing his contributions to the team and saying it meant little to nothing over the last two decades is completely unfair.

 

[Ian]

No it isn't. Execution is the absolute difference. Players execute, coaches coach.

And players execute the game plan the coaching staffs put together.

 

[patfanken]

************, you have to be kidding me dude. You‘re so delusional you’re actually absolving Bill Belichick for the Miami Miracle while referencing Gronkowski! Dude, who. decided. to. put. a tight. end. on. defense? Who? Who was the strategist who took the team’s star FS off the field in favor of a tight end? On a play where the QB wasn’t even capable of throwing a pass far enough for a hail mary!?

Now let’s hear it, Ken. Can’t blame Bill. It was the defensive coordinator. The buck stops with Bill…he is responsible for all of it when they win. But of course not for that one. It’s the other coaches. It’s Gronk.

Preparation. Detail. Organization. Strategy. Coaching.

Sub out McCourty for Gronkowski.

It wasn’t Bill’s fault!

Go talk about twisting the truth…that’s ALL you do.

....and when the expected play was a hail mary to the endzone. Who do you want defending. The 5'10 McCourty, or the 6'6 Gronk???? Now who's delusional. You can't have it both ways. BTW- there were a few missed tackles on that play. Is THAT the DC's fault?????? You would think that its always the players' who make the good plays and when they aren't its the coaches fault....UNLESS of course its a player YOU don't like.

Spin you narratives and prepare for Doomsday, I have better things to do.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

....and when the expected play was a hail mary to the endzone. Who do you want defending. The 5'10 McCourty, or the 6'6 Gronk???? Now who's delusional. You can't have it both ways. BTW- there were a few missed tackles on that play. Is THAT the DC's fault?????? You would think that its always the players' who make the good plays and when they aren't its the coaches fault....UNLESS of course its a player YOU don't like.

Spin you narratives and prepare for Doomsday, I have better things to do.

Oh sure, Ken. Tannehill was going to throw a high arcing rainbow 75-80 yards into the endzone and McCourty shouldn’t have been on the field over any of the 11 defenders including Gronkowski

 

[Triumph]

If Brady is truly all done, he will take Krafts offer on a 1 day contract and file his retirement papers with the NFL.

Simple as that. Case closed.

 

[venecol]

You can argue that offensively, although finding weaknesses to exploit on offense is done by the coaches, not the players. However, coaching and putting together a plan on the defensive side of the football absolutely is critical. We’ve seen that multiple times, including the team’s first Super Bowl win being the one that stands out the most.

You can argue that because its the truth. Some of the greatest plans have failed because of lack of execution. Was the disappointing loss in the PHI SB because the plan sucked on defense or because we didn't have the best players out there to execute it?

You also completely disregard the vital input that the players provide to the coaches. Do you think Bill seals himself in a room and comes up w/ a genius plan w/o getting input from Taylor or Brady? Coaches can't function w/o knowing what the players see on the field. Coaches don't have that vantage point. Bill has said this himself. You guys think that coaches come up w/ all the ideas independent of player input. That's nonsense. This isn't little league. These players have been coached all their lives. They know how to play the game.

 

[Steve102]

I’m not debating the value of the QB, which is critical to the success of 100% of the coaches in the league. I get you love Tom and hate Bill. But seeing people like you and craw dismissing his effect and diminishing his contributions to the team and saying it meant little to nothing over the last two decades is completely unfair.

They certainly want to talk about ****ty coaching often enough.

In the words of Bill Belichick, It's a players game.

Players 100% make the plays. Coaches 100% get the players the info they need to make the plays. The Pats don't win the SB vs. Seattle without coaching up Malcom Butler on the interception. Fact. Butler deserves the credit for recognizing the situation and acting on it in the moment, a moment he was prepared for thanks to proper coaching. Anyone who thinks that coaching doesn't matter is either clueless, deluded or just trolling for reactions. Any true fan knows coaching matters. We saw what bad coaching looks like this year, and we have seen what great coaching means as well.