Mayo negotiations + OC interviews next week

[Ring 6]

Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. I don't know. Neither do you.

Saying this was a 4D chess move by BB based on no evidence is ridiculous.

You know.

When did I say it was a 4d chess move?

I said he wanted BOB, couldn’t get him for a year, so he threw together the best thing he could to hold over.

 

[venecol]

Circumstantial evidence is evidence.
How well he expected the shower term solution to work out has nothing to do with the fact it was a short term solution.

He has said directly, or implicitly that every decision made in NE since he arrived is his blame if it doesn’t work. Or do you want to list the things he blamed in other people and said he wasn’t responsible for?

Do you have report with BB saying Patricia is permanently in the role?

So you've got nothing. Ring6 doesn't agree with you. Listen:

There is no reference whatsoever to Bill OBrien in what you posted.

I have no doubt that you have convinced yourself that it happened but none of those things have happened.
You misunderstand so much of what you hear or read and then think that what you misperceived actually happened.
That is why whenever called out you can never back it up.
I actually feel bad for you.

 

[Ring 6]

So you've got nothing. Ring6 doesn't agree with you. Listen:

You really are off your meds.

You are comparing a post that lists the things that happened which clearly indicate what the plan was to a guy who says Robert Kraft made a public statement that he never made and the poster uses a completely unrelated article to “prove” it.


To recap: the events that occurred are compelling evidence that the 2022 coaching assignments were a stopgap to the solution of BOB OC

And the claim that Bob Kraft public stated he wants BOB to replace BB was entirely made @Triumph

It’s really not that hard to follow if your head isn’t stuck inside another part of your anatomy.

 

[venecol]

The thing these dudes won't answer, because they can't is: what if the Pats go 12-5, win the division and make it to the divisional round but lose?

1. Does Bill continue using Patricia as defacto OC?
Ball washers: Yes, yes that was his plan all along. He's a genius.

2. What about BoB?
Ball washers: Who?

This is what really happened the day after WC game:

Kraft: Bill what happened? You told me that Patricia & Judge were good coaches and could coach anyone.

Bill: Bob, you f*cked up, you trusted me.

 

[Ring 6]

Your arguments are just as shallow and vapid as Triumph's. Another thing you and Triumph share: you have no proof.

The only thing that's clearly indicated is that Bill's arrogance against conventional wisdom drove his decision. But we all know why you subscribe to this latest Bill's ball washing theory.

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So your argument is that when BB spoke with BOB last year BOB wanted to be the OC and BB said nah, I’ll go with none and have Patricia call plays and judge qb coach because that’s a better plan?

Evidently you enjoy playing with testicles, but showing is all what you do is immature.

 

[Ring 6]

The thing these dudes won't answer, because they can't is: what if the Pats go 12-5, win the division and make it to the divisional round but lose?

1. Does Bill continue using Patricia as defacto OC?
Ball washers: Yes, yes that was his plan all along. He's a genius.

2. What about BoB?
Ball washers: Who?

This is what really happened the day after WC game:

Kraft: Bill what happened? You told me that Patricia & Judge were good coaches and could coach anyone.

Bill: Bob, you f*cked up, you trusted me.

Literally no one has said any of that.

Of course Belichick expected the offense to be ok, otherwise he would have come up with a different interim plan. No matter what happened though, he was bringing BOB back.

 

[venecol]

So your argument is that when BB spoke with BOB last year BOB wanted to be the OC and BB said nah, I’ll go with none and have Patricia call plays and judge qb coach because that’s a better plan?

Evidently you enjoy playing with testicles, but showing is all what you do is immature.

Do you have a video of the conversation between Bill and BoB or are you just making stuff up again?

 

[Ring 6]

Do you have a video of the conversation between Bill and BoB or are you just making stuff up again?

How would there be a video?
It was widely reported that they were in contact.

 

[venecol]

How would there be a video?
It was widely reported that they were in contact.

We know the media makes sh*t up all the time. You've said so yourself.

You said BoB told Bill he wanted to be OC. Do you have an interview w/ BoB where he says that? From his own words?

You've been using this same argument against half a dozen posters throughout these threads, so its only fair you follow the same standards you impose on others. So, do you have any link to a video interview with Bill or BoB where they admit to what you claim?

I'll be waiting.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Come on guys, no one can prove BB wanted BOB and had MP be a place holder, but it makes sense or doesn't make sense. You can choose not to believe it or believe it but can't be proven either way. Time to agree to disagree.

 

[venecol]

Come on guys, no one can prove BB wanted BOB and had MP be a place holder, but it makes sense or doesn't make sense. You can choose not to believe it or believe it but can't be proven either way. Time to agree to disagree.

But Ken & Andy are stating this as fact. They're not saying it's their opinion. They're saying this is what Bill planned all along, as a matter of fact.

What I find ironic is that in an effort to insulate Bill from his disastrous decision, they don't realize that if in fact what they claim is true, it makes his decision much worse. It says that Bill was willing to risk the development of Mac and the success of the team, just so that he could get his "guy," his buddy, his friend, one year later. They actually claim that if BoB is able to turn the team around, that the decision was worth it. I mean, wow.

Does everyone agree that if BoB is able to somehow turn the offense around, that having the circus of Patricia/Judge in town that resulted in a totally wasted season, was worth it?

I'm sorry but this is Jete-like behavior. What's happened to this fan base?

 

[Boomer B]

So now we have people acting like BB waiting on O’Brien for a year (with 0 proof of this) and potentially ruining Mac with the buffoon show of Patricia and Judge was a good thing? WTF?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

But Ken & Andy are stating this as fact. They're not saying it's their opinion. They're saying this is what Bill planned all along, as a matter of fact.

No-one is stating it as fact (at least I didn't see that). It is a logical guess.

What I find ironic is that in an effort to insulate Bill from his disastrous decision, they don't realize that if in fact what they claim is true, it makes his decision much worse.

I don't think anyone is trying to insulate Bill. You seem obsessed with attacking positions that no-one is taking.

It says that Bill was willing to risk the development of Mac and the success of the team, just so that he could get his "guy," his buddy, his friend, one year later. They actually claim that if BoB is able to turn the team around, that the decision was worth it. I mean, wow.

Bill was not trying to risk anything. Bill blew it. Big mistake. It looks like the decision was to have a bridge year. Bad decision. All the "buddy" talk is made up stuff with no proof.

Does everyone agree that if BoB is able to somehow turn the offense around, that having the circus of Patricia/Judge in town that resulted in a totally wasted season, was worth it?

BOB might be great. Bill and Robert love BOB, so they waited for him. Wasted a season, I agree. Was it worth it? We will see. Does not feel right, but who knows.

I'm sorry but this is Jete-like behavior. What's happened to this fan base?

I assume hump day treated you well as this comment is uncalled for.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

So now we have people acting like BB waiting on O’Brien for a year (with 0 proof of this) and potentially ruining Mac with the buffoon show of Patricia and Judge was a good thing? WTF?

I didn't see anyone say it was a good thing. What did I miss? Can you quote a post.

Everyone hates the decision. Some people think "Patricia and Judge" was a bridge year. Seems logical to me. That does not mean it was a good decision.

 

[archstanton543]

So now we have people acting like BB waiting on O’Brien for a year (with 0 proof of this) and potentially ruining Mac with the buffoon show of Patricia and Judge was a good thing? WTF?

It's weird. We have BB saying "Coaches coach" meaning he had more of a "next man up" philosophy with regards to coaching. You add the frankly odd decision to block Caley from leaving last year and then not promoting him. Why would BB, who's chasing Shula, give himself less of a chance of catching him by hiring two guys who have minimal experience with the offensive side of the ball have a built-in "bridge year"? Why would he waste a year of development of his young QB waiting for his guy to play out his contract? I think we can all agree that BB is a very competitive guy. Why would he have a built-in bridge year given how the team finished in 2021 (getting their pants pulled down twice by the Bills)? Why would BB have the Matt/Judge combo install new concepts when his plan all along (according to some) was to bring in BoB and re-install the old offense a year later?

It would make more logical sense that BB honestly thought that the Matt/Judge thing would work since they were both HC's and they would run that side of the ball the way he wanted it to.

 

[PatsfanTN]

I didn't see anyone say it was a good thing. What did I miss? Can you quote a post.

Everyone hates the decision. Some people think "Patricia and Judge" was a bridge year. Seems logical to me. That does not mean it was a good decision.

You honestly believe he sacrificed an entire year? A “bridge year”? can You just imagine the waste? Not just in terms of lost revenue but fanbase and PR? That’s a naive and absurd take on last year, sorry.

 

[PatsfanTN]

 

[Triumph]

Your arguments are just as shallow and vapid as Triumph's. Another thing you and Triumph share: you have no proof.

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[1960Pats]

How do OC interviews even go? Serious question. I'm curious what goes on in that interview. Do they give game scenarios of "This team frequently runs xyz how do you attack that scheme on this down and distance" Or is it more of a philosophical question of "What elements of an offense are most important" etc

I'll have to ask Bill or Bob the next time I talk to them.

 

[1960Pats]

Rooney Rule??

More like the Looney Rule.

If the NYFL was serious about fixing the problem then the rule would require hiring, not totally meaningless interviews.