Please No (Rumor: Raiders could join Patriots in Bill O'Brien interest)

[signbabybrady]

Since we're seemingly going off the deep end today, doesn't Dante Scarnecchia have any kids or grandkids that could take over coaching the O-Line? That would be amazing.

SignbabyScar

 

[signbabybrady]

Why are you saying only one season? Again, the idea is BOB is OC 'til Bill breaks the record then becomes HC. I'd assume that would take two or three years.

BOB just honored his deal with Bama when he probably could have come here. But if the right NFL HC opened up I assume he'd jump on it. If Mac were to really turn it around I could see that putting BOB on the top of the candidate list. So this is probably not as slam dunk as it may seem but at the end of the day if he's the best candidate I don't think you can afford to go elsewhere out of fear of him leaving. And I'm not sure what other options there are better than him.

 

[crawhammer]

Nonsense. Brady’s smart enough to know no NFL team plays anybody, even a star QB, who is playing like crap today just because they were good last year. He knows as soon as his skills decline enough for that kid to be a better bet to win games TB12 will be a backup. He’s not going to do anything to make that happen sooner than it inevitably will anyway.

You apparently don't understand what the circumstances will be. A team is only bringing in Brady to put them over the top. So Brady would have to suck on the level of Matt Ryan, and the team would need a decidedly losing record, for Brady to find himself on the sideline in favor of a young backup quarterback. And under those circumstances it will mark the end of Brady's career. So Brady knows as soon as his skills decline enough, he's done. Whoever's next in line doesn't matter.

 

[UrbanCowboy]

Why would one suspect that his goal is to be a NFL HC as soon as possible, instead of his goal being to be an NFL HC with the best prospects of long term success and stability? For that matter, would immediately being HC of a doormat be more attractive than winning a Super Bowl as OC?

Other thing is that the other two suitors mentioned only offer a quick path to HC by spending a year there and then moving. Or hoping your boss gets fired. How is that different or better than spending a year as Pats’ OC and then moving?

And does BB really know BoB wants to beHC sooner rather than later? That was your assumption. Maybe BB knows otherwise?

lots of speculation piled upon speculation…

His track record is winning a rather brutal power struggle in houston vs the GM and getting to buy the groceries ... and not being a very good shopper. Doesn't seem like he'd be content to just be an OC. But maybe he's changed.

 

[venecol]

I'm concerned other teams may poach our offensive coaches again.

 

[venecol]

Why wouldn't BoB go after any one of the HC openings (CAR, DEN, etc.) now instead of waiting?

 

[venecol]

You're suggesting the leopard is going to change his spots at his age? The man who might be the most competitive guy to play the game, witness the fact he's still playing at 45 years old, suddenly is going to be a mentor to some young college age kid, who no doubt will be full of himself? You're projecting. No way he mentors anyone. No way in hell. Too competitive. He's never done it before now, and if he does it now, he's knows for sure that he's mentoring his replacement.

Jimmy G is a good starting spot, sure. You can gloss it over however nicely you want. He ran the dude out of town. Jimmy was a threat and Tom ended that threat. Killed it.

Agree. Word is Tom makes Kyle Trask wear his jock strap around his head after practice.

 

[venecol]

Since we're seemingly going off the deep end today, doesn't Dante Scarnecchia have any kids or grandkids that could take over coaching the O-Line? That would be amazing.

At this point we should even consider Scar's dog. He can help Nike find a T in the draft.

 

[Triumph]

How is Bill Obrien going to fix Mac Jones weakling throwing arm and terrible decision making?

The NFL game is so fluid and fast with conditions changing in a microsecond. Either your QB possesses the skills necessary to excel at the NFL level vs the elite teams or he doesnt.

In 2018, BOB had the 11 ranked offense and 4th ranked defense. Deshaun Watson at QB and Deondre Hopkins. 11 - 5 record losing in the wildcard game to Andrew Luck HOU 7 - 21 INDY. One and done.

2019 post season, up 24 - 0 vs KC and lost 51 - 31. People here act like BOB is some kind of messiah

 

[RobertWeathers]

How is Bill Obrien going to fix Mac Jones weakling throwing arm and terrible decision making?

The NFL game is so fluid and fast with conditions changing in a microsecond. Either your QB possesses the skills necessary to excel at the NFL level vs the elite teams or he doesnt.

In 2018, BOB had the 11 ranked offense and 4th ranked defense. Deshaun Watson at QB and Deondre Hopkins. 11 - 5 record losing in the wildcard game to Andrew Luck HOU 7 - 21 INDY. One and done.

2019 post season, up 24 - 0 vs KC and lost 51 - 31. People here act like BOB is some kind of messiah

Man you exaggerate his lack of arm strength. It's more than adequate .QBs don't need to be Josh Allen to be successful

For a rookie his decision -making was fine. Good coaching helps in that regard.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Why wouldn't BoB go after any one of the HC openings (CAR, DEN, etc.) now instead of waiting?

He would. The question is do they want him

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm concerned other teams may poach our offensive coaches again.

Love the sarcasm

 

[Tunescribe]

How is Bill Obrien going to fix Mac Jones weakling throwing arm and terrible decision making?

The NFL game is so fluid and fast with conditions changing in a microsecond. Either your QB possesses the skills necessary to excel at the NFL level vs the elite teams or he doesnt.

In 2018, BOB had the 11 ranked offense and 4th ranked defense. Deshaun Watson at QB and Deondre Hopkins. 11 - 5 record losing in the wildcard game to Andrew Luck HOU 7 - 21 INDY. One and done.

2019 post season, up 24 - 0 vs KC and lost 51 - 31. People here act like BOB is some kind of messiah

 

[Triumph]

Man you exaggerate his lack of arm strength. It's more than adequate .QBs don't need to be Josh Allen to be successful

For a rookie his decision -making was fine. Good coaching helps in that regard.

If Jones arm is what you say it is then why not give him the ball at the end of the Raiders game?

Then, vs the Bengals, the Pats ran a play that had no hope of succeeding running Stevenson into a 9 man box where he fumbled. Give Jones the ball when the Bengals are clearly playing the run.

Its like others have said on this board. The opponents gameplan is to stop the NE run and force Jones to beat you.

 

[PP2]

Neither of those teams will win the SB with the current roster if Brady goes there. The only team that fits the bill for Brady is San Francisco...they are stacked enough that all Brady has to do is be the bus driver.

Not happening.. even with Garoppolo gone. You have Trey Lance in the wings.. can't cut him. Purdy is holding his own pretty well. They've won 8 in a row.

I don't see how you mess with that for a very short term solution.. even if they blow it in the SB.

 

[Steve102]

There's no competition at this point in Brady's career. This isn't 2016 anymore with Brady nowhere near the end of his career. Yeah at that stage of it he was singularly focused on being the only quarterback on the roster who mattered. Everyone including Brady himself knows he's only got 1 or 2 seasons left now. So he's not mentoring his replacement, like someone who's potentially taking snaps away from him, he's mentoring the next guy after he retires. I'm not saying he'll make it a priority but he's not going to feel threatened by a young quarterback at this stage.

So you do expect the leopard to change his spots.

Why wouldn't BoB go after any one of the HC openings (CAR, DEN, etc.) now instead of waiting?

The variables might be location and ownership status.

How is Bill Obrien going to fix Mac Jones weakling throwing arm and terrible decision making?

Mechanics and core strength will change the weak arm. He'll never be Josh Allen but improved core and lower body can help him develop the torque to see improvement. Decision making is all about coaching.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Not happening.. even with Garoppolo gone. You have Trey Lance in the wings.. can't cut him. Purdy is holding his own pretty well. They've won 8 in a row.

I don't see how you mess with that for a very short term solution.. even if they blow it in the SB.

If Purdy flames out early in the playoffs and they deem Lance not ready, they can easily turn to Brady....it all depends on their evaluation of Purdy. If they feel like he's the real deal, then no. If they think he's overachieving, then yes.

 

[Love The Drake]

If Purdy flames out early in the playoffs and they deem Lance not ready, they can easily turn to Brady....it all depends on their evaluation of Purdy. If they feel like he's the real deal, then no. If they think he's overachieving, then yes.

Purdy looks really good, to the point that it’s embarrassing he fell to the 7th round.
What were scouts looking at.

 

[Ross12]

It could be to drive up his contract price, but it could also be to try to get a firmer position on his future when he comes to the table with Kraft and Bill. He doesn't want to ask about his standing with the eventual HC position and get an answer of "we'll see", he can then say "well if it's not that firm, I can go to another team that I think will showcase me a little better, where I'm not under Bill's shadow, and then get a HC promotion elsewhere after a couple years..." It could make Kraft bend and give some firmer answers. He can't promise the job due to the Rooney Rule but he can give a wink-and-nod and say he will be the automatic preferred candidate, etc.

The Sugar Bowl is tomorrow, so once that's over, I imagine O'Brien will be talking to Kraft and Bill later that week.

 

[maust]

I would think he'd be here for at least two seasons, and it's a situation where he'd get credit if the Patriots suddenly started having success on offense. I doubt he'd be here much beyond that, unless there was a chance he'd have an opportunity to be a head coach. The goal - I would think - from there would also be to have him groom someone so they'd have some continuity if he ended up leaving.

^This.
BoB face planted in Houston after 'winning' the power struggle there. He didn't subsequently land on Saban's staff by accident. If he were to come to New England and right the offensive ship it would go a long way towards reestablishing his credibility as someone that could be trusted with the reins of a franchise.