Mac Jones last two weeks

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Those numbers are for Week 15.

I know I was being sarcastic considering Mac didn't play that bad.

Sarcastic ^^^^^

 

[venecol]

Justin Herbert has been without his starting LT, C and changing RT. Mike Williams and Allen out most of the year. Lombardi might be the guy who's worse than Patricia. He'll end the year close to 3/1 - 4K + - Not a spectacular year but he's making it work. And not only bc of his rocket arm or legs.

This has to be a parody account? This isn't real?

Herbert is the guy everyone hopes you get in the 1st round. OROY and broke a bunch of rookie records. Got even better his second year. He just became 1st QB in NFL history to have 4000+ yards in his first 3 seasons. Stats are a bit down this season but he's making less mistakes. His 1st two seasons he had 6 4Q comebacks & 8 GWDs (4 & 5 this season). Kid is clutch. Like you said, Joe Lombardi is one of the worse OCs in the league.

 

[venecol]

I mean.

 

[captain stone]

Watching Sean McVay tonight, that's obvious.

Now they apparently have big salary cap problems. No 1st round draft picks.

Watch him bail.

If McVay bails outta LA, then the Krafts should fly that bird of theirs straight to his house and hand him a blank check with their names on it.

 

[captain stone]

More experts on Jones’ pocket presence in 2021.

A year later, McShay believes Jones was arguably the best quarterback from his draft class in his rookie season. He still liked Jones’s pocket presence and movement in the pocket, as well as his ability to get rid of the ball quickly (Jones’s 2.71 seconds before throwing the ball was the ninth-best in the league, per McShay).

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Brett Favre is a f ucking idiot.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Interesting stats!! Thanks.

I think for a rookie, coming in and starting, last year's numbers are good. (Just look at Trevor Lawrence and all the other rookie qb's) The issue most fans are having is they expected to see an improvement this year from Mac, which isn't happening. My question is how much of his "regression" do you think is because of Patricia, how much do you think is because of the injury depleted/poor performing O-Line and how much do you think is on the wr's?

I think a point that is not really talk about is that I think Josh covered Mac limitations well and in my opinion made Mac look better than what he really is. Last year Josh was holding Mac hands and I think this year they expected Mac to play QB. After the first 3 games they saw that he couldn’t do it and started to hold his hands again after the Chicago game.

I don’t think it’s a regression, it’s just that the coaching staff is not able to hide his weaknesses.

I also think that Mac attitude is questionable.

I honestly think that with Matt Patricia as an OC the best QB for this team was Zappe. Not because I think Zappe is the next Drew Brees or that he is better than Mac skill wise but because I think that Zappe works better with Matt Patricia than Mac. Because he has no a priori about Patricia and don’t question the plays and will try to make it work regardless of the play while Mac is questioning everything and think that’s not how it should be done. And I think it showed during games. The games were the offense looked the more « patriot like » and functional were the two games Zappe started.

 

[SVN]

I think a point that is not really talk about is that I think Josh covered Mac limitations well and in my opinion made Mac look better than what he really is. Last year Josh was holding Mac hands and I think this year they expected Mac to play QB. After the first 3 games they saw that he couldn’t do it and started to hold his hands again after the Chicago game.

I don’t think it’s a regression, it’s just that the coaching staff is not able to hide his weaknesses.

I also think that Mac attitude is questionable.

I honestly think that with Matt Patricia as an OC the best QB for this team was Zappe. Not because I think Zappe is the next Drew Brees or that he is better than Mac skill wise but because I think that Zappe works better with Matt Patricia than Mac. And I think it showed during games. The games were the offense looked the more « patriot like » and functional were the two games Zappe started.

Unfortunately i have to agree with this .Mac has not attempted to work to improve since training camp when they changed the offense and has been loud about his dislike for the change and the OC. As much as he said he will get it fixed he hasnt. His attitude of gesturing towards the sideline or waving the coaching staff away in the raider game really shows poor attitude. And you are right about zappe. he isnt better than mac but tries to execute what is called within his own limitations

 

[RIpats88]

I think a point that is not really talk about is that I think Josh covered Mac limitations well and in my opinion made Mac look better than what he really is. Last year Josh was holding Mac hands and I think this year they expected Mac to play QB. After the first 3 games they saw that he couldn’t do it and started to hold his hands again after the Chicago game.

I don’t think it’s a regression, it’s just that the coaching staff is not able to hide his weaknesses.

I also think that Mac attitude is questionable.

I honestly think that with Matt Patricia as an OC the best QB for this team was Zappe. Not because I think Zappe is the next Drew Brees or that he is better than Mac skill wise but because I think that Zappe works better with Matt Patricia than Mac. Because he has no a priori about Patricia and don’t question the plays and will try to make it work regardless of the play while Mac is questioning everything and think that’s not how it should be done. And I think it showed during games. The games were the offense looked the more « patriot like » and functional were the two games Zappe started.

But that all goes back to coaching matters! And while McDaniels held his hand. Mac also was able to be comfortable and made good decisions. Something he was complimented on last season are now weaknesses. Maybe he's not getting the coaching he needs on the fundamentals. I doubt it's him "not working on improving".

I mean do you think Brock purdy would look at good as he does on the 49ers if he was on this patriots team? No he would look horrible. Look at the bucs who have Tom Brady with their new coach vs arians. It's a total mess. And that's with the GOAT. So coaching matters.

Zappe being better in a horribly coached offense for a 2 game sample being the reason you go to him rather than who you think has more upside as a coach is NOT a good reason you go to him and jettison your 1st round QB. That's what bad teams do and a way to screw up your future if zappe continues to look more like the guy vs the bears than he did against the browns. Because then you ruined both QBs.

What you do is you overhaul the coaching staff next year, hire REAL OC and QB coach. See if you can fix Mac and let zappe compete for the starting job.

I mean it's not unrealistic to think had McDaniels stayed or we hired a real OC rather than guys who never have done the job before that the offense and Mac would've taken a step forward whether big or small.

I don't think it's being a "Mac apologist" either to just look at the situation in a totality and throw a big question mark up. I have no dog in the fight but this team isn't succeeding with any QB if they keep Patricia/judge in their roles. It's just not an NFL offense of playcalls they are running.

 

[upstater1]

If McVay bails outta LA, then the Krafts should fly that bird of theirs straight to his house and hand him a blank check with their names on it.

Yes, because 4-10 record with more talent than the Patriots screams great coach.

 

[Rob0729]

That's what I don't get. Nobody is talking about all the receivers that he didn't throw to but the ones he actually did throw to. It's just more noise from the Mac excusers. Hell, there were guys wide open he ignored but Bedard who's had an agenda since TC only focuses on those plays that suit his narrative. What does he say about the throw to Rham in the flat when there was a wide open receiver downfield? Was that guy running a poor route too? That's a game winning TD right there.


The guys that put together these stats have no hidden agendas like Bedard. Mac was worse than McSorley in CPOE. Who TF is McSorley?

Yes, Bedard has an agenda. LOL! Everyone you disagree with has an angenda. Apparently Kurt Warner has the same agenda because made the same points in his video. Yes, I get your biased spin that you say it was no big deal while Mac Jones briefly looking in the wrong direction on a successful play is proof he sucks, but he pointed out the same issues that have not been corrected three games later. Mark Daniels doesn’t have an agenda and he is seeing the same things as Bedard.

Yes, Mac Jones missed open receivers on Sunday. It doesn’t change the fact that the plays are poorly designed to not creating proper spacing and receivers are not looking back for the ball when they should.

 

[Rob0729]

This is a coaching issue. They need to fire Fat Matt and Joe Judge and let the piece fall where it does. Atleast show that this is not acceptable when starting for next year.

Troy Brown deserves blame too. I love Troy. He is one of my all time favorites, but I question if he is a good coach. Kurt Warner pointed out in the video review of the Vikes game that players were not looking back for the ball. Three games later and that issue isn’t corrected. My guess is that it has been an issue much longer than the Vikings game.

 

[Rob0729]

I know I was being sarcastic considering Mac didn't play that bad.

Sarcastic ^^^^^

No one said Jones didn’t play bad on Sunday. Not a single person. Not me. Not Bedard. Not anyone who you guys think have an agenda or are Mac homers.

Everyone admits Jones played like crap against the Raiders. Just when you watch the game film, it isn’t as bad as it looked on game day because of crappy play design and receivers not doing their job. This doesn’t exonerate Jones. It just gives Patricia and the receivers a larger share of the blame than people originally thought.

 

[All3Phases]

Yes, because 4-10 record with more talent than the Patriots screams great coach.

implying Mcvay isn’t a great coach is hilarious…also the talent on the rams isn’t as great as you think. Is this a coping mechanism for a bill defense? He’s 79-88 if Brady doesn’t start games for him…doesn’t scream great coach to me! See how backwards this logic is?

 

[venecol]

implying Mcvay isn’t a great coach is hilarious…also the talent on the rams isn’t as great as you think. Is this a coping mechanism for a bill defense? He’s 79-88 if Brady doesn’t start games for him…doesn’t scream great coach to me! See how backwards this logic is?

That dude has veen dying on the "McVay is a bad coach" hill all alone. He's an idiot.

 

[captain stone]

So basically what I'm getting so far from reading this thread (and the defense of the play calls that bedard is listing) at is all the playcalling and route running is fine. And it's all Mac Jones? And if we replaced Mac Jones then Patricias genius will really shine.

Some of you zappe guys really need to get a grip with this narrative you are peddling. It's based in delusion.

It's OK to give some of the blame to the coaching. Defending Patricias playcalling isn't the hill I would die on.

Don't know of too many "Zappy guys" here who would seriously claim that Phatt Matt's "genius" would really shine if he were QB.

What I can claim is that Billy should've never Ever EVER started Corky vs da Bears.

 

[Ian]

Don't know of too many "Zappy guys" here who would seriously claim that Phatt Matt's "genius" would really shine if he were QB.

What I can claim is that Billy should've never Ever EVER started Corky vs da Bears.

100% agree with you there

 

[crawhammer]

I mean.

Whose fault is that? At a certain point the quarterback has got to take charge there and get the right play called (either the one from the morons on the sideline or an audible).

 

[captain stone]

I think that reaction shows there might be a problem in the locker room. Don’t know if it’s the coaches or Mac or anyone else. Bill needs to be on that and flush that out after the season ends like he did in 2009.

I think this team is approaching 2009 unlikeability…

It is... One difference however is that in '09 the players were unlikable; this year it's players AND coaches, and that's a harder fix.

 

[venecol]

Whose fault is that? At a certain point the quarterback has got to take charge there and get the right play called (either the one from the morons on the sideline or an audible).

Clearly Mac's fault. It's his job to get everyone on the same page. I assume a play was called in the huddle, he changes it at the line but several of his players are confused with what he wants. Again, how is this on the coaches? Are we to believe that Mac has to be taught how to change plays?

Look, the coaching hasn't been ideal. Mac has played poorly this season. Both can be true.

 

[Kontradiction]

Clearly Mac's fault. It's his job to get everyone on the same page. I assume a play was called in the huddle, he changes it at the line but several of his players are confused with what he wants. Again, how is this on the coaches? Are we to believe that Mac has to be taught how to change plays?

Look, the coaching hasn't been ideal. Mac has played poorly this season. Both can be true.

All are true. The coaching sucks, the pass pro has been spotty (limiting how creative the offense can get), Mac has not been good, and the receiving corps is not performing up to their pay grade.