Mac Jones last two weeks

[crawhammer]

So basically what I'm getting so far from reading this thread (and the defense of the play calls that bedard is listing) at is all the playcalling and route running is fine. And it's all Mac Jones? And if we replaced Mac Jones then Patricias genius will really shine.

Some of you zappe guys really need to get a grip with this narrative you are peddling. It's based in delusion.

It's OK to give some of the blame to the coaching. Defending Patricias playcalling isn't the hill I would die on.

I think the majority of the opinions are more nuanced than that. And I really don't think anyone is saying Mac Jones is holding Patricia back... I mean that's laughable, right. There's a very high percentage of people who believe Belichick made a huge mistake placing Patricia and Judge in their respective roles. And that's had a negative impact on Mac and the offense.

However, Mac also is not playing well in his own right and some believe Zappe is the better quarterback for this offense right now. Who knows about the future? They can battle it out in the next camp or perhaps the team brings in a veteran quarterback. But this season, the offense was at its best with Zappe. Almost every week now the offense with Mac looks like it's only getting worse. Time for a change at the quarterback position now. In the offseason the team can address bigger picture decisions including the replacement of Patricia and Judge (at least).

 

[catent]

Jimmy G has shown that even after many many years in the league, he crumbles under pressure.

Thing is, even if Jimmy G crumbles under pressure, he's still played the quarterback position at a consistently higher level than Jones has.

I'd rather have the guy who's a 8/10 on average, and drops to a 6/10 when the kitchen gets hot, than the guy who's a steady 5/10.

 

[Pats2000]

That last one is something we don't know. Belichick has said enough this season where that appears to be one of Jones' strengths, and other teams have even pointed out that he picked up on what they were doing at times this year. But I'd agree the other three things have fallen off in recent weeks.

He's just not doing well on his 2nd level reads, I have to assume it's because the defenses are confusing him

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Please stop the crap David Carr thew to a Jag for the game tying TD. How many times have Mac threw a ball like that for a TD?? VERY few! you know why he's scared that it might get picked. I have seen enough of Mac Jones he won't ruin anymore of my Sundays can't wait for the season to end. It should be a fun Off-season for the Patriots so many things to set right.

Elite WRs free up other lesser WRs because of the coverage and schemes they draw... thats football 101 basic stuff

 

[Toofy]

At this point no harm trying zappe . Can he elevate the offense considering the crappy playcalling . It's more an audition now. No postseason anyways this year .

 

[sb1]

At this point no harm trying zappe . Can he elevate the offense considering the crappy playcalling . It's more an audition now. No postseason anyways this year .

Nah I don’t need to see a repeat of the bears second half. One time was enough. These next 3 games are also against much better teams than the Packers Bears Lions and Browns. No reason to think Zappe is an upgrade to Mac at this point in time. Give him an off-season and we’ll see where he’s at in July.

 

[sb1]

Thing is, even if Jimmy G crumbles under pressure, he's still played the quarterback position at a consistently higher level than Jones has.

I'd rather have the guy who's a 8/10 on average, and drops to a 6/10 when the kitchen gets hot, than the guy who's a steady 5/10.

JG cannot stay on the field though…

 

[Toofy]

Nah I don’t need to see a repeat of the bears second half. One time was enough. These next 3 games are also against much better teams than the Bears Lions and Browns. No reason to think Zappe is an upgrade to Mac at this point in time. Give him an off-season and we’ll see where he’s at in July.

3 difficult games. We never know. He could be the guy. Bears game he did not take starter snaps. I hear you from stidham days . But at this point Mac is really not lighting it up. Might as well go with Zappe. I have a feeling that the frequent pouting of Mac might be turning off his teammates. Seeing Browns reaction it might be a good controversy to have to get zappe in and fire up Mac.

 

[sb1]

3 difficult games. We never know. He could be the guy. Bears game he did not take starter snaps. I hear you from stidham days . But at this point Mac is really not lighting it up. Might as well go with Zappe. I have a feeling that the frequent pouting of Mac might be turning off his teammates. Seeing Browns reaction it might be a good controversy to have to get zappe in and fire up Mac.

I think that reaction shows there might be a problem in the locker room. Don’t know if it’s the coaches or Mac or anyone else. Bill needs to be on that and flush that out after the season ends like he did in 2009.

I think this team is approaching 2009 unlikeability…

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Is it actually bonkers? A double-stacked release isn’t uncommon at all. If one of those guys carries deep and the other breaks out, that’s a pretty common route concept.

Likewise for the crossers in the middle of the field. You can actually see Meyers breaking open as Henry crosses, creating a rub concept of sorts. Good play to beat man coverage; Mac missed Meyers breaking open.

The play Bedard showed with Thornton and Henry occupying the same space is the one that strikes me as a bigger issue than the play above.

I really wonder how often similar things could be found on still film images for past Patriots’ offenses - or any offense - and we’re seeing things now where previously (or elsewhere) nothing would register (because of our frustrations - or lack thereof - with the offensive coaching).

I do agree that guys need to be getting into and out of their routes with more urgency and explosiveness. Watching the Pats-Dolphins game from 2016 (if I remember the year correctly) when Jimmy G started, and it’s darn impressive to see the urgency and burst with which Jules, Danny, and Hogan were running their routes.

Make no mistake, though, the timing/rhythm/placement of throws also has a big role in route sequencing/coordination/timing, and Jimmy (and Brady) got the ball out to those guys on time, in rhythm, and with some serious zip/placement, at a much higher level than Mac has demonstrated so far.

true, but Brady is the greatest QB of all time and Jimmy had 3 years to learn behind the GOAT and Josh McDaniels before having to start that season Brady was suspended

That was year 3 or 4 for Jimmy when he started for the Pats

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Yesterday was ugly, not much else to say there:

Less than PATHETIC, by ANY means of measurement.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

His style is to go "hard" once he's made a stand. He likes to brag about it. Lmao.

Honestly completely clueless on several occasions and not a worthy adversary. He's kind of exposed himself and the boss just had to lay a few things out for him in crayon.

He's just not doing well on his 2nd level reads, I have to assume it's because the defenses are confusing him

This was and is sometimes that continues to plague Zach Wilson. Can't read second level defenders or the MOF but those weren't issues for Mac coming out of school. Lance had trouble reading the MOF too.

Thank the old gods it's not that bad. Jete could make a lot of noise with competent QB play. I'm actually a big White fan and hope he figures it out. Wilson won't last long the rest of the year.

 

[PatsfanTN]

And now this:

Trent Brown liked post of Tom Brady or Jimmy Garoppolo replacing Mac Jones

This might not go over well in the locker room.

www.yahoo.com

trent…you haven’t exactly been the immovable object this year….just to be clear.

 

[Rob0729]

Mark Daniels agrees with Bedard that Jones wasn’t as bad as the stats said and receivers were more of an issue than people think.

 

[Pats2000]

Honestly completely clueless on several occasions and not a worthy adversary. He's kind of exposed himself and the boss just had to lay a few things out for him in crayon.

This was and is sometimes that continues to plague Zach Wilson. Can't read second level defenders or the MOF but those weren't issues for Mac coming out of school. Lance had trouble reading the MOF too.

Thank the old gods it's not that bad. Jete could make a lot of noise with competent QB play. I'm actually a big White fan and hope he figures it out. Wilson won't last long the rest of the year.

Not sure why it's become a problem for him. Its either that or he's just not keeping his eyes downfield and focusing too much on the rush.

That was the most noticeable difference for me with Zappe. Dude always had his eyes downfield, no matter what. Running for his life, moving around in the pocket (I thought Zappe pocket presence was way ahead of Mac's). He is looking for the open guy. Zappe also had a feel for the pocket, where his protections were that Mac doesn't seem to have. His movements male his Oline life harder, where Zappe made their job easier because he stayed within their blocking. Mac makes the Oline blocking change direction too much.

 

[crawhammer]

Mark Daniels agrees with Bedard that Jones wasn’t as bad as the stats said and receivers were more of an issue than people think.

Did anyone drop a TD pass? Because Mac had Jonnu wide open in the end and he threw it out of bounds.

 

[gtfanboy]

Mark Daniels agrees with Bedard that Jones wasn’t as bad as the stats said and receivers were more of an issue than people think.

This is a coaching issue. They need to fire Fat Matt and Joe Judge and let the piece fall where it does. Atleast show that this is not acceptable when starting for next year.

 

[venecol]

Did anyone drop a TD pass? Because Mac had Jonnu wide open in the end and he threw it out of bounds.

That's what I don't get. Nobody is talking about all the receivers that he didn't throw to but the ones he actually did throw to. It's just more noise from the Mac excusers. Hell, there were guys wide open he ignored but Bedard who's had an agenda since TC only focuses on those plays that suit his narrative. What does he say about the throw to Rham in the flat when there was a wide open receiver downfield? Was that guy running a poor route too? That's a game winning TD right there.


The guys that put together these stats have no hidden agendas like Bedard. Mac was worse than McSorley in CPOE. Who TF is McSorley?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

That's what I don't get. Nobody is talking about all the receivers that he didn't throw to but the ones he actually did throw to. It's just more noise from the Mac excusers. Hell, there were guys wide open he ignored but Bedard who's had an agenda since TC only focuses on those plays that suit his narrative. What does he say about the throw to Rham in the flat when there was a wide open receiver downfield? Was that guy running a poor route too? That's a game winning TD right there.


The guys that put together these stats have no hidden agendas like Bedard. Mac was worse than McSorley in CPOE. Who TF is McSorley?

Justin Herbert has been without his starting LT, C and changing RT. Mike Williams and Allen out most of the year. Lombardi might be the guy who's worse than Patricia. He'll end the year close to 3/1 - 4K + - Not a spectacular year but he's making it work. And not only bc of his rocket arm or legs.

This has to be a parody account? This isn't real?

 

[venecol]

Justin Herbert has been without his starting LT, C and changing RT. Mike Williams and Allen out most of the year. Lombardi might be the guy who's worse than Patricia. He'll end the year close to 3/1 - 4K + - Not a spectacular year but he's making it work. And not only bc of his rocket arm or legs.

This has to be a parody account? This isn't real?

Those numbers are for Week 15.