Pre-Game Thread- Pats @ Raiders

[VJCPatriot]

You just need to reframe what success means. Success isn't winning, it's a first down or a nice play.

LOL. Reframe success? Success isn't winning games? Since when did this become the Colts forum?

"Hey guys, I know the kicker didn't make the field goal, but he kicked it in the 'general direction' of the uprights!"

 

[StrawHatPatriot]

I feel like we'll win this game. Wouldn't shock me either way though.

 

[Rob0729]

More on Patricia's stellar play calling. The literally emphasizes what his QB and offense does worse and minimizes what they do best.

No wonder why they had to take that Friday off last week, to the players surprise, so the coaching staff could pull their heads out of their asses and figure out why they suck so much.



From the article:

In four games since their bye week, the Patriots have run 224 total offensive plays, per Sports Info Solutions. Of those, 159 (71 percent) have come out of the shotgun. The Patriots have called pass plays on 122 of those 159 shotgun snaps.


The results have been mixed.


Mac Jones is actually third in the NFL in completion percentage on those snaps out of the gun (70.0 percent). He's also ninth in yards per attempt (7.3) and 11th in rating (97.0). Pretty good.


But the Patriots have played it very safe on those shotgun passes, with an average target depth of just 5.8 yards beyond the line of scrimmage, which is shortest in the league. And the advanced numbers echo what Orlovsky believes, as the Patriots are just 22nd in the NFL in their percentage of pass plays from the gun that result in a positive expected points added (EPA) result (39.2 percent).

When under center the Patriots have remarkably similar results in terms of their league rankings, but the raw numbers are better. Just as they are out of shotgun, they're third in the NFL in completion percentage (74.1). They're also ninth in yards per attempt with a much-better-than-from-the-gun figure of 9.4. They're 15th in rating (99.8).


There's one massive difference: The advanced numbers say the Patriots are one of the best under-center passing teams in the league over the last month. They have a positive-EPA percentage (64.3) on under-center passes that places them second in the NFL and represents a major improvement over their shotgun work.


Yet the Patriots have had just 28 under-center dropbacks in the last four weeks. That's just 18.7 percent of their passes in that span and a whopping 94 (23.5 per game) fewer than their shotgun attempts.

Perry: Could this tweak produce very different results for Patriots offense?

Could the Patriots make a simple pre-snap tweak to make their offense much more effective? Our Phil Perry crunched some numbers and came away with some interesting conclusions.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

i cant keep up, who is Thanksdad?

Slater?

ferentz

 

[ashley]

 

[JMC00]

The only four defenses allowing an explosive pass play on at least 9.5% of their opponent’s dropbacks: Texans (10.1%), Atlanta Falcons (9.6%), Pittsburgh Steelers (9.6%), Chargers (9.6%) and Las Vegas Raiders (9.5%).

• Combined Pressure Rate: The sum of the offensive line’s rate of pressures allowed per dropback and the opposing defense’s total pressures generated per dropback. A higher percentage (red) is better for defenses and indicates that quarterback could be under fire, while a lower percentage (blue) indicates that matchup’s quarterback could face reduced pressure.

 

[crawhammer]

This by the way is Saleh's fault. He didn't protect his player. White was getting killed, and after he was lying on the ground wincing in pain for the second time, Saleh should have taken him out of the game. The third and final shot he took is probably the reason why he hasn't been cleared for contact. Now they're up the creek with Wilson.

 

[Nunchucks]

LOL. Reframe success? Success isn't winning games? Since when did this become the Colts forum?

"Hey guys, I know the kicker didn't make the field goal, but he kicked it in the 'general direction' of the uprights!"


"

I was a fan in the 80s and 90s, you have you be realistic about this stuff.

 

[PowerRunRevival]

Rhamondre, Meyers and Jack Jones all we’re back at practice today!

 

[ashley]

Great news:

 

[PatsFan2]

Great news:

Yess Yesss.

 

[VJCPatriot]

More on Patricia's stellar play calling. The literally emphasizes what his QB and offense does worse and minimizes what they do best.

No wonder why they had to take that Friday off last week, to the players surprise, so the coaching staff could pull their heads out of their asses and figure out why they suck so much.



From the article:

In four games since their bye week, the Patriots have run 224 total offensive plays, per Sports Info Solutions. Of those, 159 (71 percent) have come out of the shotgun. The Patriots have called pass plays on 122 of those 159 shotgun snaps.


The results have been mixed.


Mac Jones is actually third in the NFL in completion percentage on those snaps out of the gun (70.0 percent). He's also ninth in yards per attempt (7.3) and 11th in rating (97.0). Pretty good.


But the Patriots have played it very safe on those shotgun passes, with an average target depth of just 5.8 yards beyond the line of scrimmage, which is shortest in the league. And the advanced numbers echo what Orlovsky believes, as the Patriots are just 22nd in the NFL in their percentage of pass plays from the gun that result in a positive expected points added (EPA) result (39.2 percent).

When under center the Patriots have remarkably similar results in terms of their league rankings, but the raw numbers are better. Just as they are out of shotgun, they're third in the NFL in completion percentage (74.1). They're also ninth in yards per attempt with a much-better-than-from-the-gun figure of 9.4. They're 15th in rating (99.8).


There's one massive difference: The advanced numbers say the Patriots are one of the best under-center passing teams in the league over the last month. They have a positive-EPA percentage (64.3) on under-center passes that places them second in the NFL and represents a major improvement over their shotgun work.


Yet the Patriots have had just 28 under-center dropbacks in the last four weeks. That's just 18.7 percent of their passes in that span and a whopping 94 (23.5 per game) fewer than their shotgun attempts.

Perry: Could this tweak produce very different results for Patriots offense?

Could the Patriots make a simple pre-snap tweak to make their offense much more effective? Our Phil Perry crunched some numbers and came away with some interesting conclusions.

www.nbcsports.com

LOL you're trying to talk statistics and logic to a man, Matt Patricia, who benches Kendrick Bourne out of spite instead of any desire to win or improve.

 

[VJCPatriot]

LOL it's hilarious that Zach Wilson starting for the Jets LOWERS their expected chances of winning!!

 

[JMC00]

Stevenson ankle doesn't look too bad, doesn't even look taped up an Meyers is actually out there with a helmet so means he's out of protocol

 

[venecol]

If Patricia calls more PA plays like a lot here want because it improves Mac's success; I expect that as soon as Mac turns around he'll find Maxx Crosby in his face. Pats don't have anyone at RT that can handle Crosby. Then, instead of blaming Patricia the OC, the usual suspects will blame the OL (Patricia) for Mac failing to perform UC. Maybe they get their wish and Mac plays more UC. But if he gets injured because of a brutal sack by Crosby and Zappe needs to take over, I don't want to hear that it was Patricia's fault.

 

[SVN]

More on Patricia's stellar play calling. The literally emphasizes what his QB and offense does worse and minimizes what they do best.

No wonder why they had to take that Friday off last week, to the players surprise, so the coaching staff could pull their heads out of their asses and figure out why they suck so much.



From the article:

In four games since their bye week, the Patriots have run 224 total offensive plays, per Sports Info Solutions. Of those, 159 (71 percent) have come out of the shotgun. The Patriots have called pass plays on 122 of those 159 shotgun snaps.


The results have been mixed.


Mac Jones is actually third in the NFL in completion percentage on those snaps out of the gun (70.0 percent). He's also ninth in yards per attempt (7.3) and 11th in rating (97.0). Pretty good.


But the Patriots have played it very safe on those shotgun passes, with an average target depth of just 5.8 yards beyond the line of scrimmage, which is shortest in the league. And the advanced numbers echo what Orlovsky believes, as the Patriots are just 22nd in the NFL in their percentage of pass plays from the gun that result in a positive expected points added (EPA) result (39.2 percent).

When under center the Patriots have remarkably similar results in terms of their league rankings, but the raw numbers are better. Just as they are out of shotgun, they're third in the NFL in completion percentage (74.1). They're also ninth in yards per attempt with a much-better-than-from-the-gun figure of 9.4. They're 15th in rating (99.8).


There's one massive difference: The advanced numbers say the Patriots are one of the best under-center passing teams in the league over the last month. They have a positive-EPA percentage (64.3) on under-center passes that places them second in the NFL and represents a major improvement over their shotgun work.


Yet the Patriots have had just 28 under-center dropbacks in the last four weeks. That's just 18.7 percent of their passes in that span and a whopping 94 (23.5 per game) fewer than their shotgun attempts.

Perry: Could this tweak produce very different results for Patriots offense?

Could the Patriots make a simple pre-snap tweak to make their offense much more effective? Our Phil Perry crunched some numbers and came away with some interesting conclusions.

www.nbcsports.com

This actually says that they have even less trust on the oline to hold up vs teams than what people think. Analytics dont consider the opponent and type of pass rush etc i would think.

 

[SVN]

This by the way is Saleh's fault. He didn't protect his player. White was getting killed, and after he was lying on the ground wincing in pain for the second time, Saleh should have taken him out of the game. The third and final shot he took is probably the reason why he hasn't been cleared for contact. Now they're up the creek with Wilson.

abolsutely would help if the jets lose but the mental gynmastic jets wil have to do if they win will be even more amusing to watch i think

 

[patsinthesnow]

 

[Rob0729]

This actually says that they have even less trust on the oline to hold up vs teams than what people think. Analytics dont consider the opponent and type of pass rush etc i would think.

Play action helps the line, not hurt it. You line Jones up under center and you run the play action (which the Pats are very effective at), it will slow down the rush. The whole purpose of play action is to make rushers bite on the run and hold up and coverage players to stop their pursuit of the receivers making receivers open quicker.

Running play action out of shotgun isn't nearly as effective.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

i cant keep up, who is Thanksdad?

Slater?

Ferenz, his father is BB friend