Bill Belichick: Highest Paid Coach in North American Sports at $20m per

[SHOWTIME15]

Thats something that theyve had a problem with in 2000, 2008, 2020-22...Wonder what changed

What AFCE QBs were considered top notch in Brady's career here? Manning from 2000-2001 and Favre in 2008. And Josh Allen didn't enter the division until 2018. That's it. Like I said very little AFCE and AFC competition in general.

 

[Ian]

Pretty much. What other top teams were in the AFC for those 20 years other than Manning's Colts/Broncos or Roethlisburger's Steelers? Mahomes and Allen didn't come into the picture until later in Brady's career.

New England's formula for success for the most part was (1) get the 1 seed, (2) beat up a lower seeded team, (3) beat a good but not great team in the AFCCG, and (4) win the super bowl.

Plenty of other teams had the same shot in 7 of the other 10 opportunities - including Manning - and couldn't do it.

So you're right, Allen and Mahomes didn't come into the picture until the next 10-years, and he beat both of them, one of them (the supposed next GOAT) he even went through to win the Super Bowl, and then he beat him head-to-head in the Super Bowl.

Again, just stop. If you want to sit there and discount the last 20-years of this football team, then I don't even know what we're doing at this point...?

 

[VrabelJr]

Really?

Target and Old Navy must not have gotten the memo

That is an incredibly insensitive video. Not the commercial itself, but the words on the screen afterwards and the comments are about what I'd expect but still surprising that cacomorphobia is so rampant after the third grade.

 

[Ian]

What AFCE QBs were considered top notch in Brady's career here? Manning from 2000-2001 and Favre in 2008. And Josh Allen didn't enter the division until 2018. That's it. Like I said very little AFCE and AFC competition in general.

Hate to say this, but you brought it up and threw that wild take out there. So it's your responsibility to do your own research and pull out all of those names. Not ours.

 

[All3Phases]

What AFCE QBs were considered top notch in Brady's career here? Manning from 2000-2001 and Favre in 2008. And Josh Allen didn't enter the division until 2018. That's it. Like I said very little AFCE and AFC competition in general.

which qb was in the division in 2000? Or 2008? So weird how this is what youre arguing...what does this have to do with BBs salary?

 

[Ian]

Hes not very good at them, because facts arent on his side...Thats a key element of debate, pick and choose the battles. Didnt know him before though, he was a Big Brady fan?

Yes, old username was TommyBrady12 and he was a massive supporter of Tom in his previous "life".

 

[1960Pats]

Either way, the end is coming in a few years. Wait until whatever the next chapter is and we lose a close game due to some horribly questionable coaching decisions late. People will forget about seasons like this and will instead be recalling Belichick's time here far more fondly, I'm sure

I can't tell you how many times I've said this but it has been many. Bill Belichick the HC makes less mistakes in a season than many coaches make in a game. I'll definitely remember that fondly, but I will NEVER EVER get over the fact that he chased away the greatest player in NFL history. The fact that he did it over a few dollars while giving himself top dollar and without a replacement plan in place makes it worse.

I try not to bring this up here in the main forum, but trust me when I say that I've been holding back.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Hate to say this, but you brought it up and threw that wild take out there. So it's your responsibility to do your own research and pull out all of those names. Not ours.

It was a rhetorical question. The answer was in my post.

 

[All3Phases]

It was a rhetorical question. The answer was in my post.

You keep saying random things and none of them defend your point or correlate with a point

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

How did this thread devolve into a "cut off your nose to spite your face?"

Imagine, in your brady derangement syndrome, discrediting the team you supposedly root for just to attempt to make our old QB look bad.

What is even happening here? This is like a trolling of epic proportions.

 

[Ian]

I can't tell you how many times I've said this but it has been many. Bill Belichick the HC makes less mistakes in a season than many coaches make in a game. I'll definitely remember that fondly, but I will NEVER EVER get over the fact that he chased away the greatest player in NFL history. The fact that he did it over a few dollars while giving himself top dollar and without a replacement plan in place makes it worse.

I try not to bring this up here in the main forum, but trust me when I say that I've been holding back.

I agree with you there - that's the one move I'll always disagree with. Should have stuck with Tom until the wheels came off. But "it is what it is".

 

[Ian]

You keep saying random things and none of them defend your point or correlate with a point

That's a special skill that I wish I could master. He's exceptional at it

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You keep saying random things and none of them defend your point or correlate with a point

Sorry if you're slow

 

[Hyped]

Fair enough, though it certainly doesn't speak well of Corky's inability to rise above his coaches then.

It's the whole offense.

1.) Yes, Mac isn't making the easy throws that he should be making.
2.) The offensive line isn't buying Mac any time in the pocket. Although, I am happy that Andrews returned and think Mac will be able to at least plant his lead throwing foot. Also, the OL isn't popping open holes for Rham to run through.
3.) Harris has been hurt...and he is what we need for 3-4 yards and a cloud of dust kind of plays that get us into 2nd and 6's.
4.) The receivers aren't creating separation quickly enough. Now maybe that is scheme.

I would blame the coaches for not dialing up more play action or more RPO's....but PA doesn't work if the defense is expecting passes...and RPO is risky given miscommunications between Mac and Rham (see fumble recovery on 1st drive last week). To execute a RPO or a PA play...the OL needs to block. We almost always have a DE/DT in the pocket instantly.

Looking at pro football reference, Mac Jones is ranked:

27th for pocket time with 2.3 seconds per (Brady is just behind him with 2.2 seconds behind that horrid Bucs OL)

16th in the league for sacks taken with 25...Stafford has 29 sacks and he is the only other one who has played ONLY 9 games (Justin Fields leads the league with 40 sacks in 12 games)

32nd in facing blitzes with 52 (a product of him playing only 9 games, but also demonstrates that teams don't need to blitz an extra rusher to pressure Jones).

What has really regressed this year is our offensive line. In pre-season, I would have told you that the OL and the RB's would be the strengths of our offense.

 

[Wax Frog]

I think we've seen that for every one time that it works out, there are 15- 25 times that it doesn't.

For this reason I am not at all eager to see him go.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Oh...so Matty P and Joe Judge are so bad that they would ruin Josh Allen?

Methinks Josh Allen would still kick ass regardless.

Owners own.
Coaches coach.
Players play.
Waterboys get water.
Fans *****.

That's how it goes....

I think that one we can have a good debate over.

The most important thing for a young QB is surrounding him with talent, good coaching, a system he can learn and is a fit for and the HC being patient.

Buffalo invested heavily into Allen and the talent around him. See Diggs and the other players on offense like Knox, Singleton, etc.

Daboll was OC...a legit OC mind you who ran an offense and called plays Allen was comfortable with.

Culley and Dorsey his position coaches.

Allen did not have a good rookie year but did improve in Year 2. Clearly the operation worked.

Does Allen have a decent rookie year in 2018 if you drop him in Foxboro replacing TB12 in 2018 with a Super Bowl contending roster at his disposal with Josh as OC and Jerry Schumplinski as QB coach? Most likely.

Does Allen have a decent rookie year in 2022 if you drop him in Foxboro replacing Mac in 2022 with an OK roster at his disposal with Fat Matt as OC and Judge Dread as QB coach? Less than likely.

 

[All3Phases]

Sorry if you're slow

im slow enough to know that one guy is 35-16 without the other, and the other is 78-87...For some reason the successful one didnt deserve money from this franchise, but man will the coach get his money!

 

[Ian]

Sorry if you're slow

OK, I'm going to put an end to this because it's just ridiculous, and it isn't going anywhere. All it's doing is raising the blood pressure of myself and some others in here, so for the sake of everyone's personal and mental health, I'm removing MAC10 from the thread, so let's get this back on track.

 

[Hyped]

He did do relatively fine in his 70s, not great but fine...Those super bowl appearances were not a part of that though

He was born in 1925...so he was like 64-67 years old for all of those Superbowls.

Not much difference between 64 and 70...and Halas coached until he was 72....won his last Championship at 68.

Age has nothing to do with coaching in the NFL. Hell, we have U.S. Presidents who are OLDER.......that is like more dangerous!

 

[All3Phases]

He was born in 1925...so he was like 64-67 years old for all of those Superbowls.

Not much difference between 64 and 70...and Halas coached until he was 72....won his last Championship at 68.

Age has nothing to do with coaching in the NFL. Hell, we have U.S. Presidents who are OLDER.......that is like more dangerous!

So you confirm that there isnt success on record for coaches into their 70s...close isnt relative...Theres a sample of coaches in their 70s, and its not successful...Coaches dont improve as they get into their older years, You can see BB declining as we speak...coincidence?

Just pointing out that for some reason BB is judged on his past and others arent