Official 2022 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[RicoG]

Tom Brady suffers first career loss when leading by seven points in final minute of fourth quarter

Tom Brady experienced another first in his illustrious 23-year NFL career on Sunday. Unfortunately, this time it was one he'd rather have avoided.

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Brady having a few firsts for the worse this season above, plus first 3 game losing streak, and potential for first losing season.

 

[RicoG]

After the disastrous coaching Brady is experiencing, I think he is appreciating BB much more. From several accounts, I've read that he praises BB whenever he comes up. If Brady plays one more year, the Pats might not be completely out of the picture. Is it too soon to hope for the unexpected?

 

[crawhammer]

After the disastrous coaching Brady is experiencing, I think he is appreciating BB much more. From several accounts, I've read that he praises BB whenever he comes up. If Brady plays one more year, the Pats might not be completely out of the picture. Is it too soon to hope for the unexpected?

Too work with Patricia as the OC? In a dumbed down offense. That sounds almost as bad as suffering through another season with a goon like Bowles.

Bowles has done a masterful job of f*cking up the season so no doubt Brady is appreciating BB more. But that's not saying much. I bet Brady regrets BA's departure.

Brady returning to NE would be great theater but it's only got about a 5% chance of happening.

 

[FrodoBagginz]

Bowles in the post game presser acted like timeouts weren't even a slight consideration. Like it never crossed his mind to use them. Seriously he had a complete look of bewilderment when asked about the timeouts. He's just a complete moron.

Perhaps he read Andy Reid's 2nd edition book

 

[Nehalem]

Too work with Patricia as the OC? In a dumbed down offense. That sounds almost as bad as suffering through another season with a goon like Bowles.

Bowles has done a masterful job of f*cking up the season so no doubt Brady is appreciating BB more. But that's not saying much. I bet Brady regrets BA's departure.

Brady returning to NE would be great theater but it's only got about a 5% chance of happening.

At this point can we even say Patricia is worse than Leftwich as an OC?

 

[Tottie]

At this point can we even say Patricia is worse than Leftwich as an OC?

Very interesting question and IMO the one that's worse is the one that is more predictable by the defense. It would be interesting if there was a way to map this out. I'd take Patricia. I laugh at all the people that think TB12 pushed out Arians because there's no way he would do that and then sit here all season and tolerate Leftwich.

 

[XLIX]

After the disastrous coaching Brady is experiencing, I think he is appreciating BB much more. From several accounts, I've read that he praises BB whenever he comes up. If Brady plays one more year, the Pats might not be completely out of the picture. Is it too soon to hope for the unexpected?

I think they are both appreciating each other a bit more, but he ain’t coming back to New England.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

TB is a living example of "Be careful what you wish for", in Tampa with BA last year, in Tampa WITHOUT BA this year.

 

[Pats1971]

TB is a living example of "Be careful what you wish for", in Tampa with BA last year, in Tampa WITHOUT BA this year.

How do you know what he wished for

 

[Pats1971]

After the disastrous coaching Brady is experiencing, I think he is appreciating BB much more. From several accounts, I've read that he praises BB whenever he comes up. If Brady plays one more year, the Pats might not be completely out of the picture. Is it too soon to hope for the unexpected?

Im not sure he is really thinking about Bill or anything else in NE. There are a lot of things involved here other than bad coaching, but NE is not exactly being NE either. Yeah coaching plays a part, but so do players. Bad penalties at bad times, injuries, bad execution and at times just bad luck. This stuff happens, They will either get it together or they wont. One thing I noticed watching the games sunday. Watch the tampa game and then go watch NE and the vikings. I have never seen so many non open players on tampa and so many wide open players in the vikings NE game, it was unreal. I saw plays in the vikings NE game where a guy would catch it and there was nobody within 10 yards of them over and over. Tampa every catch it seems is contested and has to be a precise throw in a small spot or there is no chance. Are guys just not getting open, or is it playcalling.

 

[crawhammer]

At this point can we even say Patricia is worse than Leftwich as an OC?

Well, they both suck at their jobs but Leftwich is doing less with more (mainly because of the disparity between Brady and Jones). The Bucs play-calling has been unimaginative, predictable and stubborn for the entire season. Leftwich is an obvious dumbass but I wonder why Brady hasn't just taken over the game-planning like he did in 2020 when the Bucs went on their Super Bowl run after the bye week. Brady has the experience, intelligence and talent to at least get the approach fixed. Execution is another matter because the o-line is a mess, the running game sucks, and his main weapons are having down seasons for different reasons (Godwin returning from the ACL and Evans inexplicably lacking effort). Then there's Bowles who's incompetence has probably lost them a couple of games.

The Patricia situation is strange and a poor reflection on Belichick. The team had to dumb down their offense because Bill wanted another one of his family members or buddies in a prominent role. He should have promoted someone who had been directly under McDaniels (to run the same offense) or brought in someone new with experience and ability as an OC. A lot of people, myself included, thought Patricia wouldn't work out, and to this point he certainly has not.

As it relates to Brady returning to NE, Brady certainly would want to return to HIS offense, which is probably off the table as long as Patricia remains the OC.

 

[RicoG]

Im not sure he is really thinking about Bill or anything else in NE. There are a lot of things involved here other than bad coaching, but NE is not exactly being NE either. Yeah coaching plays a part, but so do players. Bad penalties at bad times, injuries, bad execution and at times just bad luck. This stuff happens, They will either get it together or they wont. One thing I noticed watching the games sunday. Watch the tampa game and then go watch NE and the vikings. I have never seen so many non open players on tampa and so many wide open players in the vikings NE game, it was unreal. I saw plays in the vikings NE game where a guy would catch it and there was nobody within 10 yards of them over and over. Tampa every catch it seems is contested and has to be a precise throw in a small spot or there is no chance. Are guys just not getting open, or is it playcalling.

Guys aren't getting open for the Bucs because it's too predictable. It's almost always a run on 1st down for between -2 to 3 yards. Then it's 2nd and long and an obvious passing situation. They rush 3 or 4 and drop everyone else to coverage, and voila no one is open. So it's either a checkdown short of the sticks or a more difficult mid/deep throw into double coverage. Then it's do or die on third down. Then rinse and repeat or punt.

It's a really difficult way to move the chains down the field, resulting in a high chance of failure to get in the endzone.

 

[RicoG]

Brady returning to NE would be great theater but it's only got about a 5% chance of happening.

Better than 0% a couple months ago.

Wherever Brady goes next if playing, I think coaching will be a big factor. If he doesn't like the OC, maybe he'll recruit Bill O Brian away from whatever he's doing.

 

[crawhammer]

Better than 0% a couple months ago.

23% starting for Las Vegas
22% starting for San Francisco
20% returning to Tampa Bay
13% starting for Tennessee
12% retiring
5% returning to New England
3% starting for New Orleans
2% starting for Detroit

 

[ashley]

23% starting for Las Vegas
22% starting for San Francisco
20% returning to Tampa Bay
13% starting for Tennessee
12% retiring
5% returning to New England
3% starting for New Orleans
2% starting for Detroit

That returning to Tampa should be at 2%

 

[crawhammer]

That returning to Tampa should be at 2%

0% with Bowles remaining. I only have Tampa Bay that high because I don't think he's going to retire and aside from the bottom three super longshots the other three may be sticking with what they already have at quarterback. If SF wins the Super Bowl with Garoppolo then they'll bring him back as the starter or just roll with Lance. Depending on how the remainder of the season goes for Carr, he and McDaniels may give it another go next season. I have Tennessee on there mainly due to prior speculation of Brady landing there but I really don't think that's a great spot for him.

My preference is SF because he could win another Super Bowl there for sure. And right away. Returning to NE would be the most fun... imagine the hype. LeBron did return to Cleveland after that once seemed impossible.

 

[sb1]

Brady isn't uprooting his kids again to come back to NE and he's already said he's done with the cold northeast weather.

Would love to see it and I think Bill would move Mac somewhere to bring him back but the team is now 3 years away from him and I don't know how well that would play with some of the locker room. I don't see it happening at all.

 

[ashley]

0% with Bowles remaining. I only have Tampa Bay that high because I don't think he's going to retire and aside from the bottom three super longshots the other three may be sticking with what they already have at quarterback. If SF wins the Super Bowl with Garoppolo then they'll bring him back as the starter or just roll with Lance. Depending on how the remainder of the season goes for Carr, he and McDaniels may give it another go next season. I have Tennessee on there mainly due to prior speculation of Brady landing there but I really don't think that's a great spot for him.

My preference is SF because he could win another Super Bowl there for sure. And right away. Returning to NE would be the most fun... imagine the hype. LeBron did return to Cleveland after that once seemed impossible.

San Fran might be the most talented team in the NFC now. Both sides of their lines are great, and their skilled positions are electric. If Jimmy G doesn't make the big mistake, they are going to be tough to beat in the NFC. I think their better than Dallas, Minn and Philly, but we'll see.

 

[crawhammer]

Brady isn't uprooting his kids again to come back to NE and he's already said he's done with the cold northeast weather.

Would love to see it and I think Bill would move Mac somewhere to bring him back but the team is now 3 years away from him and I don't know how well that would play with some of the locker room. I don't see it happening at all.

True about the weather but he probably could get over that with the perfect situation otherwise.

The Patriots locker room would love the return of Brady. The fans would love it. The media would love it. What's not to love?

 

[VectorPrime]

Brady got his ring away from the Patriots. Regardless of how shi.t things might get with this clown organization and coaches most of all in comparison to Belichick, he’ll always have that trump card forever.