Zappe vs Mac

[Love The Drake]

I need to see Mac handle the rush use his eyes to manipulate the defense stay Calm and collected make the right reads and protect the ball.
If he fails to do I wouldn’t hesitate to pull him.
Our hope for a wildcard could disintegrate with 2 to 3 more Ls.
We will see what Mac is made of his brand and his standing as QB 1 is threatened after he fought so hard to get playing time in Alabama he’s at risk to lose everything he worked for.
We either see s lazer locked Mac Jones or a man out of his league.

 

[PatsFan2]

I need to see Mac handle the rush use his eyes to manipulate the defense stay Calm and collected make the right reads and protect the ball.
If he fails to do I wouldn’t hesitate to pull him.
Our hope for a wildcard could disintegrate with 2 to 3 more Ls.
We will see what Mac is made of his brand and his standing as QB 1 is threatened after he fought so hard to get playing time in Alabama he’s at risk to lose everything he worked for.
We either see s lazer locked Mac Jones or a man out of his league.

Chris some guys have it some guys don't it doesn't mean you cant win with either but some put a lot more pressure on the OL than some ie...Bledsoe/Brady. We'll see if Mac needs excellent OL Blocking to succeed: in limited time Zappe has shown that he can create some time for himself.

 

[venecol]

Zap and Mac are that Spider-Man meme

You dudes had Brady and literally are sitting here debating about which JAG noodle arm QB is better.

LMFAO

I love it

Come on man.

Mac Jones: as a rookie
Elected to the Pro Bowl
Voted #2 OROY
Voted by peers to NFL Top 100
Made playoffs

Zac Wilson: as a rookie
Known for being into Cougars

LMFAO

I love it

 

[pazrul72]

All you are talking about are his accomplishments. I've said many times before he's the most ACCOMPLISHED quarterback in NFL history, but he's not the most TALENTED. Does Brady have the strongest arm? Nope. The quickest release? Nope (not even close to Marino's). Ability to scramble in the pocket? Nope (otherwise we would have won super bowl 42). Most accurate? Nope (Brees and others having a higher completion %). Ability to lead his team on a long game tying or game winning drive with less than a 1 minute to go in the game? Nope.

Mahomes can make all the throws Brady can. Brady cannot make all the throws Mahomes can. If Mahomes were NE's QB over the past twenty years the team would have won 8 super bowls (since the Giants would have respected Mahomes' ability to scramble). Did I mention Mahomes has a career 4:1 TD/INT ratio with a QB rating of 105, while Brady is only 3:1 and a QB rating of 97?

You are a troll so this will be the last I respond seeing as you clearly didn't read the second half of my previous response. Can Brady throw the ball the way Mahomes can? No, see exhibit A of that throw in the superbowl. Brady is the more talented QB because he never HAS to make that throw. He hit a 4 yard check down the play before. Brady is the most talented QB of all time there is no debate and anyone who does is being intellectually dishonest.

 

[Zuma]

Come on man.

Mac Jones: as a rookie
Elected to the Pro Bowl
Voted #2 OROY
Voted by peers to NFL Top 100
Made playoffs

Zac Wilson: as a rookie
Known for being into Cougars

LMFAO

I love it

And...

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You are a troll so this will be the last I respond seeing as you clearly didn't read the second half of my previous response. Can Brady throw the ball the way Mahomes can? No, see exhibit A of that throw in the superbowl. Brady is the more talented QB because he never HAS to make that throw. He hit a 4 yard check down the play before. Brady is the most talented QB of all time there is no debate and anyone who does is being intellectually dishonest.

Yes Brady is the most talented QB of all time because he can throw a 4 yard check down…good to know.

 

[RIpats88]

Well, sounds like a decision has been made. Let's see how he performs.

 

[venecol]

I mean, Pats have been saying for the last 3 weeks that Mac was a game time decision. Gamesmanship? Again? Who the f*ck knows with Bill.

 

[VrabelJr]

You are a troll so this will be the last I respond seeing as you clearly didn't read the second half of my previous response. Can Brady throw the ball the way Mahomes can? No, see exhibit A of that throw in the superbowl. Brady is the more talented QB because he never HAS to make that throw. He hit a 4 yard check down the play before. Brady is the most talented QB of all time there is no debate and anyone who does is being intellectually dishonest.

I wouldn't waste your time with MAC10. He seems to believe talent is only between the shoulders and toes rather than between the ears.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Mac knows the pressure is on him. Apparently, he's taken over as the locker room lawyer questioning everything like Winovich did.

 

[Thelonious]

I understand starting Mac, though I think it's the wrong decision. I certainly hope Mac get leash he has earned this season: a very short one. But perhaps all this posturing about how starting roles are earned by performance is just that: posturing.

 

[Wozzy]

BB can't be "wrong" under any circumstance, either Mac plays substantially smarter because he saw Zappe threaten his job, or he does what he was doing before and Zappe takes his job.

I for one like both prospects, think Mac needed to see his job wasn't secure and he needed to play better... but it won't surprise me if Zappe eventually replaces him either.

I only hope this doesn't come back to bite them in the ass down the road against better competition. If Mac throws multiple interceptions against someone beyond the Bears, will we all wonder if Zappe could have done it better as we watch our wildcard chances slip away?

 

[Thelonious]

Yes Brady is the most talented QB of all time because he can throw a 4 yard check down…good to know.

What IS that smell? Could be a Straw Man; could be a Red Herring. Could be both.

(Not what the guy said.)

 

[jdlboot14]

the best way for this to go (for Mac) is for him to dress and be ready. They start Zappe, and he makes some mistakes early, then Mac comes in and looks steady and solid. Otherwise the haters will always say "Zappe would've, and could've..."
Both QB's could make errors vs. that Bears D. You just don't want a rusty Mac to start and struggle and have all that noise.

 

[Dingleberry]

I am impressed with the Jete fan attempting to swing his **** in here because his team is 4-2. Act like you've been there before. I mean, your team had a winning record thru 6 games a decade ago I think.

Our third string, 4th round rookie QB has looked better in each of his two starts than the #2 overall bust has ever looked. Mac has had multiple better games than the 2nd round bust has ever had.

Don't go **** swinging when you're packing a string bean.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Yes Brady is the most talented QB of all time because he can throw a 4 yard check down…good to know.

No because he does it at the right time, while others make the highlights on ESPN on how they made a long, impossible throw (but failed to make enough other plays to win the game). DAMN! I shouldn't have replied. Congratulations on derailing another thread in order to troll Brady.

 

[crawhammer]

I only hope this doesn't come back to bite them in the ass down the road against better competition. If Mac throws multiple interceptions against someone beyond the Bears, will we all wonder if Zappe could have done it better as we watch our wildcard chances slip away?

Exactly my thinking. I don't think we agree on Mac's ceiling but I think he's limited enough where he won't be able to keep up in potential shootouts with Allen, Burrow, and potentially Murray, Carr, Cousins and even Tua. Last we saw of Mac, when that game opened up against Baltimore, he started throwing picks all over the place. I would look forward to seeing Zappe's true potential coming into focus but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. I don't think Zappe gets back on the field either unless Mac gets hurt again. Chicago is a joke, and every quarterback looks good in comparison to Fields, so this is a soft landing spot for Mac. Patriots should roll through the next 4 games without too much difficulty and I would expect Mac will look a lot better by that point (sort of like last season). I'm worried about December and January (exactly like last season).

 

[SHOWTIME15]

No because he does it at the right time, while others make the highlights on ESPN on how they made a long, impossible throw (but failed to make enough other plays to win the game). DAMN! I shouldn't have replied. Congratulations on derailing another thread in order to troll Brady.

This thread went to hell long before I did anything.

There's a difference between a checkdown because it's the best play to make at the moment and a checkdown because you don't have the ability to consistently throw the ball down field.

And yeah, Mahomes and Allen don't win any games. Shame on them. They should throw more Tommy checkdown passes.

 

[1960Pats]

Basically this @Kasmir as me and @1960Pats have been through this once or fifteen times

Nice job man.

So yea coaches saw that "athletes", kids that could run as well as throw were a making an easy transition to the schemes flourishing at the high school and college level so it was a natural mix. It's copycats sport so the market was flooded. So the NFL only has so much say, so many prospects to choose from.

I just see less guys that can stand back there and beat you consistently with their arm/mind and more guys that can throw on the move, run, need PA, running game to complement their strengths etc

It's not that you don't need to pass. You'll always have to be able to pass from the pocket at a high level. It's just the position has changed in other ways.

I should have been clearer on something above also.

Guys like Mahomes, Herbert, Allen, Tom Brady, AR etc are the system. They'll excel and succeed in almost any system once they've figured it out from an individual pov. Like at their peaks you can drop them in any system and they'd succeed. Then you have Joe Brady, Dak, Jackson who have shown greatness but inconsistencies and quite frankly their teams could pick up the slack in some areas. Dallas has done a nice job of building a balanced team.

Then you have guys like Jimmy, Mayfield, Goff, Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Tua, Trubisky etc who all need a proper scheme fit, running game, PA. They need a lot to make it work and are system guys. Whereas the guys above are the system. Give or take, on different tiers.

QB's who happen to be strict pocket passers will always succeed if they're good. They'll always have a place and you absolutely have to pass to win. The position has just morphed in other areas. In part mostly to the lower levels.

Yup. Imagine being a college HC and grooming QBs for the NYFL only to lose your college job because you aren't winning. That must suck.

 

[Wozzy]

Exactly my thinking. I don't think we agree on Mac's ceiling but I think he's limited enough where he won't be able to keep up in potential shootouts with Allen, Burrow, and potentially Murray, Carr, Cousins and even Tua. Last we saw of Mac, when that game opened up against Baltimore, he started throwing picks all over the place. I would look forward to seeing Zappe's true potential coming into focus but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. I don't think Zappe gets back on the field either unless Mac gets hurt again. Chicago is a joke, and every quarterback looks good in comparison to Fields, so this is a soft landing spot for Mac. Patriots should roll through the next 4 games without too much difficulty and I would expect Mac will look a lot better by that point (sort of like last season). I'm worried about December and January (exactly like last season).

If Mac plays like he was earlier in the season, but instead of throwing 2-3 errant balls (interceptions) a game instead he starts throwing more TD's... nothing else will matter, this will be a really good offense. Mac's averaging roughly the same amount of passing yards a game Burrow is. He has no problem throwing the ball physically.

The problem with Mac is he leads the entire NFL in interception percentage... the entire league. Anyone suggesting he wasn't playing poorly doesn't know what they're talking about. His decision making early in the season wasn't good.

I think it would be smarter to ride the hot hand and keep the perception that Mac is also a starter on the bench, it would allow them to flip him for a 1st or 2nd round pick later. If he starts this week and immediately resumes turning the ball over, his value as a trade commodity is going to plummet. If he plays well enough to stay the starter but loses in the playoffs with multiple interceptions, we're all going to be asking "what if?"