By the numbers: Patricia's offense downright offensive

[Sfpat]

I think that Kraft sees that now.

Good to know you have inside relarionship with Kraft. Tell us more of his thinking & plans.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Bring in Sean Payton to run our offense

Please FIRE Patricia

Payton had Brees for his entire career except the year after Brees retired (9-8 with Jameis, Taysom and Simianh), then wussed out ("see my kids more" bull crap - they're around 22 and 25) and left because no more elite QB. We'll have another 60 page thread about was it Payton or Brees who was responsible for their success. Mr Bounty-PaperTowel is going to try to TB12 it and go to a stacked team to put them over the hump (like Chucky taking over for Dungy). No way Payton would follow up BB. Plus he still has 3 more years on his contract, so Pats would have to deal with compensation.

I wouldn't want a coward for a head coach.

 

[Boomer B]

For those saying Patricia isn't an issue, now with the game film out there has been some diagnosis on it. The first pick was a horrible call by Patricia. Usually on play action you do it on short yardage out of a run look that you've already shown the D. On the pick it was 2nd and long and it was on a look they hadn't show the D yet so it gave them no indication a run was coming. Mac went back and did the play action but none of the LB's bit on the play fake, they had all dropped back in coverage. Rookie mistake by Patricia which put Mac in a bad position. Mac can be better not throwing the pick, but he is a young 2nd year player.

 

[TheRainMaker]

His passes hang in the air and fall short. We saw it last season in the Buffalo post season game and we saw it in Pittsburgh. The Steeler DB did not turn in time and Agholor fortunately reached down in front of the DB and got the ball for a TD.

Agree it should've been picked off, but DB's are pretty bad at whipping their head around these days. McCourty was clueless when he was on an island with the Andrews TD. He's always been awful when he gets caught man to man.

Its not like Brady throwing to Moss to where Moss was the only guy who could get it unless the DB just made and unbelievable play.

He threw many passes that should've been picked off, but again the DB's look like the AI in Madden.

So why wouldn't he hire real coordinators then?

No established coordinators want to work for him. In fact, Dom Capers was the last name coach working with the DB's in 2008 and he left the moment he got a better job in GB as a DC.

 

[Billyd69]

Agree it should've been picked off, but DB's are pretty bad at whipping their head around these days. McCourty was clueless when he was on an island with the Andrews TD. He's always been awful when he gets caught man to man.

He threw many passes that should've been picked off, but again the DB's look like the AI in Madden.

No established coordinators want to work for him. In fact, Dom Capers was the last name coach working with the DB's in 2008 and he left the moment he got a better job in GB as a DC.

I dont know if that's necessarily true, word was bill obrien was an option but BB didnt think he would stay around long, who knows if that's true or not. If no established coordinators want to work for him thats even more reason he needs to go. His act is wearing thin, his attitude with the media worked when they were winning , not so much anymore.

 

[signbabybrady]

Bedard was spot on today. Why do you force lil Jordan, a 500k player slow player, and you sit Bourne and Henry.... I guess they're smarter than the rest of the NFL

Bedard was a whiny moron today. And proved his own flawed science. First off he totally points out how Lil Jordan is basically replacing the one of the two TEs in our two TE package. And then *****es that it should be Bourne. If you want a 3 WR package just say that but don't point out exactly what Lil Jordans role is then complain about something completely different.

Problem two they literally asked him if he broke down if there is any success or good things from this Lil Jordan package and I'm paraphrasing but he said he did not even bother why would he do that. Basically admitting that all he is doing when he's reviewing film is trying to prove the narrative he's already set forth prior.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Thankfully DBS aren't WRS cuz most of them can't catch, otherwise Mac has probably NINE Ints.
He's had some really good throws, but some of his Decisions and throws this year have totally baffled me, as I've said in the GDT right after I stopped shaking my head.
I still have faith in him/them, but decisions across the board have to get better IMO.

 

[venecol]

Interesting take from Lombardi

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Sure go with lil Jordan. Who needs Henry who had 50 receptions last yr and 9 tds. Oh and we want to run so let's go with 3 wr. Lil Jordan is a journey man... It's a huge joke. And huge joke Bourne is limited. But I'll take your point over bedard

Bedard was a whiny moron today. And proved his own flawed science. First off he totally points out how Lil Jordan is basically replacing the one of the two TEs in our two TE package. And then *****es that it should be Bourne. If you want a 3 WR package just say that but don't point out exactly what Lil Jordans role is then complain about something completely different.

Problem two they literally asked him if he broke down if there is any success or good things from this Lil Jordan package and I'm paraphrasing but he said he did not even bother why would he do that. Basically admitting that all he is doing when he's reviewing film is trying to prove the narrative he's already set forth

 

[signbabybrady]

Sure go with lil Jordan. Who needs Henry who had 50 receptions last yr and 9 tds. Oh and we want to run so let's go with 3 wr. Lil Jordan is a journey man... It's a huge joke. And huge joke Bourne is limited. But I'll take your point over bedard

I'm not a huge fan of the package either but I'm not going on the radio screaming about how bad it is during my film review session then saying that I didn't review the film of it.

And I'm not *****ing about it replacing two TE and trying to use it to justify more Bourne.

You want to justify more Bourne I'd point out Agholars two fumbles. Because whatever Bourne did he was punished for it and I was all for Agholar playing over Bourne because he had a better spring/summer but nothing is more crucial than ball control. At the very the least these two guys should be on equal footing now. With Meyers and Parker still WR1 and 2. Though Parker is still on Shakey ground. Yes he finally broke out but he still made costly mistakes too.

Overall I'm still encouraged by all 4 WRs. The tight ends on the other hand have done nothing and to that end that's why Lil Jordans role comes into play.

 

[JMC00]

If they aren't scoring points then what does it matter? When you're behind all the time you're going to rack up more yards and interceptions because you have to push the ball down the field.

"Behind all the time"

-Never trailed against Pittsburgh

Baltimore i'll break it down for you so you can process it easily
-Never trailed by more than 1 score in the 1st half. Actually had a lead at 1 point in the 1st half and it finished 14-13
2nd half
-Pats come out and take the lead on the 1st drive 20-14
-Ravens then score 20-21
-Pats punt
-Ravens score 20-28
-Jones throws in an INT
-Pats defense holds then to 5 yards and a long FG 20-31
-Pats score 26-31
-Pats D gets a turnover
-Pats get in the red zone. Jones & Parker miscommunication. INT
-Pats D forces a punt
-STILL A 1 SCORE GAME with 6 min left in the 4th-
-Agholor has that long gain that would have set them up in or near the redzone. Fumble
-Ravens score 26-37
-Pats get 20 yards in garbage time

pal, you can't just spew $h!t. There are people that actually watch and analyze these games instead of coming up with HOT TAKEZ. Not like they were down 14+ since the 2nd quarter against them and never got closer. It wasn't until 1 minute left until they got some garbage time yards.

What an absolute brainlet take though. As if you wouldn't try to gain yards in games that were close or if you had the lead. Like what the f@¢k

JOG ON.


ps. I do like how you completely ignored the 3 & Out stat

 

[JMC00]

The first pick was a horrible call by Patricia.

Not at all. First pick was on Jones and his continued obsession of forcing it to Parker when he should look through his progression. Didn't even trying look off to try to fake the LBers dropping as if he had no idea they were there which he clearly didn't. 100% on him for not just checking down to Harris who was wide open but instead Jones had his mind made up to go to Parker before the ball was even snapped




This play makes me actually concerned that Pats will be looking for another guy in a year or 2. The kid didn't even once look to see if the LBers had bit or dropped. Just snap, eye Parker down, throw. Tom Brady checks that down to Damien Harris.

Maybe Jones needs to learn that it's ok to throw it away. Aaron Rodgers has made a career of throwing it away because he adopted the "an incompletion is better than an interception" mindset.

Rodgers would rather go 25 for 50 2 TD 0 INTs and lose than 40 for 50 2 TD and 4 INT and Win.

Only thing I can question Patricia on this was why was it Humphrey going out and not Agholor or Bourne.

 

[203Pat]

"Behind all the time"

-Never trailed against Pittsburgh

Baltimore i'll break it down for you so you can process it easily
-Never trailed by more than 1 score in the 1st half. Actually had a lead at 1 point in the 1st half and it finished 14-13
2nd half
-Pats come out and take the lead on the 1st drive 20-14
-Ravens then score 20-21
-Pats punt
-Ravens score 20-28
-Jones throws in an INT
-Pats defense holds then to 5 yards and a long FG 20-31
-Pats score 26-31
-Pats D gets a turnover
-Pats get in the red zone. Jones & Parker miscommunication. INT
-Pats D forces a punt
-STILL A 1 SCORE GAME with 6 min left in the 4th-
-Agholor has that long gain that would have set them up in or near the redzone. Fumble
-Ravens score 26-37
-Pats get 20 yards in garbage time

pal, you can't just spew $h!t. There are people that actually watch and analyze these games instead of coming up with HOT TAKEZ. Not like they were down 14+ since the 2nd quarter against them and never got closer. It wasn't until 1 minute left until they got some garbage time yards.

What an absolute brainlet take though. As if you wouldn't try to gain yards in games that were close or if you had the lead. Like what the f@¢k

JOG ON.


ps. I do like how you completely ignored the 3 & Out stat

You can get all worked up if you want. Bill said it himself stats are for losers. If we have 900 yards of offense a game and score 14 points and lose then who cares? We are 1-2 and anyone who actually watches the games can see our offense doesn't look right. There was some improvement against Baltimore as far as being able to move the ball but when you turn the ball over 4 times it negates it.

So try watching the games and not just checking PFF and NFL.com for stats. Maybe you will learn that your little bar graphs don't mean much when we are sitting at 1-2.

 

[Toofy]

With Hoyer coming in I have a feeling we will be switching to more heavy runs and TE packages. Possiblly 3 TE including lil Jordan and one among agholor/Parker/Bourne . So more screens , runs and seam routes .

 

[signbabybrady]

You can get all worked up if you want. Bill said it himself stats are for losers. If we have 900 yards of offense a game and score 14 points and lose then who cares? We are 1-2 and anyone who actually watches the games can see our offense doesn't look right. There was some improvement against Baltimore as far as being able to move the ball but when you turn the ball over 4 times it negates it.

So try watching the games and not just checking PFF and NFL.com for stats. Maybe you will learn that your little bar graphs don't mean much when we are sitting at 1-2.

What Bill said ten years ago about a completely different team doesn't automatically hold true to this team. When your in it every year and have the greatest QB of all time a few stats doesn't mean as much. When you are trying to build something from the ground up I see no problem in pointing out a few encouraging signs.

 

[203Pat]

What Bill said ten years ago about a completely different team doesn't automatically hold true to this team. When your in it every year and have the greatest QB of all time a few stats doesn't mean as much. When you are trying to build something from the ground up I see no problem in pointing out a few encouraging signs.

For me it is discouraging that we are putting up yards without points. If we finish 10th in offensive yardage this year but go 6-10 because we can' score 20 points a game then who cares? I don't want to turn into Indy where we are hanging participation banners I want this offense to start to show some progress and cohesion.

 

[ashley]

For me it is discouraging that we are putting up yards without points. If we finish 10th in offensive yardage this year but go 6-10 because we can' score 20 points a game then who cares? I don't want to turn into Indy where we are hanging participation banners I want this offense to start to show some progress and cohesion.

The big reason is our turnovers. If we eliminate them, our offense will put up more points and we will start winning. That is the main problem with the offense and throw in untimely penalties as well.

 

[signbabybrady]

For me it is discouraging that we are putting up yards without points. If we finish 10th in offensive yardage this year but go 6-10 because we can' score 20 points a game then who cares? I don't want to turn into Indy where we are hanging participation banners I want this offense to start to show some progress and cohesion.

Growing pains.

 

[203Pat]

Growing pains.

Mac is young and it is hard to discount the fact there will be growing pains with him but his supporting cast is a very veteran group. A veteran offensive line outside of Strange and veteran TEs and receivers.

 

[upstater1]

Agree it should've been picked off, but DB's are pretty bad at whipping their head around these days. McCourty was clueless when he was on an island with the Andrews TD. He's always been awful when he gets caught man to man.

He threw many passes that should've been picked off, but again the DB's look like the AI in Madden.

No established coordinators want to work for him. In fact, Dom Capers was the last name coach working with the DB's in 2008 and he left the moment he got a better job in GB as a DC.

Should he hire old guys or new young guys?

Make up your mind!