Week 3 Pre Game Thread - Ravens @ Pats

[Ochmed Jones]

Jackson's TD pass was a wide-open 5 yard pass with a 70+ yard run.

Jackson's a very serious running threat but not so scary passing.

I still wouldn't bet against him though. He's unique.

Amen brother!

 

[1960Pats]

I know a lot of us are much older than him but you wouldn't know it by looking at him. The kid needs to work on his image some yikes.

The sour apple didn't fall far from the tree.

 

[Hyped]

Early week thoughts:

- I'd rather play the Ravens coming off a BIG win than a desperate team looking at 1-2 if they lose. But it is what it is.

- I'll be keeping an eye on the statuses of the Ravens' DB's. Either way, we aren't gonna be airing it out too much.

- I want to see more of what we did yesterday on the last drive that chewed up the remaining 6:33 and 2 Steeler TO's. Just run the ball until they stop it...1st, 2nd, and 3rd down...move the chains...grind out 3-4 yards at a time.

- What was up with Henry yesterday? He was on the field, but never saw a target go his way...is he hurt?

- And please god...can we get Jonnu invloved? We should be throwing/handing off the ball to him more than 2-3 times a game.

- Algholor should be out there on every snap along with Meyers. Parker should only come in on 3rd and shorts or goal line plays for boundary throws.

- Our defense might be some good...by my count...our defense is allowing 13.5ppg through two games...and that's only 2 TD's allowed...one being a 4th down to Waddle (busted coverage) and the other a TD to Friermuth that was waaayyy too easy....(ditto for the 2 point conversion by Johnson). Otherwise, it has been 4 figgies... yeah it was Trubisky yesterday...but we have faced some really good WR's in Hill, Waddle, D. Johnson, Claypool, and Pickens...as well as the TE's in Friermuth and Geisicki. This gives me confidence vs. Bateman, Andrews, and Likely next week (their top 3 in targets with 18, 12, and 9).

- I hope Dugger is OK...we totally need him!

- I'd like to see some more pressure from Barmore in the middle though. Does anyone know how teams have been blocking him? Double teams?

- I absolutely love Mack Wilson. So nice to have some speed at LB....if not for him tipping a ball...that is probably a TD to D. Johnson (Mills interception play).

Turns out I was wrong about Barmore. He was collapsing the pocket on Sunday per my rewatch.

 

[gitgronked82]

But is playing him a wise course? Look at what happened to TY Montgomery. Our Safety situation is decent rest him if it's too sore.

Eh, look at what happened to Phillips. Or the countless other players that have gotten injured during a game and been fine to play through it the next week. Can’t just sit guys until they’re 100% from now on because Ty got hurt again. Dugger is an important player and this is a big game. Hopefully he’s good to go

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Jackson's a very serious running threat but not so scary passing.

Amen brother!

If Jackson doesn't scare you passing than you must not think much of Mac.

Jackson has a higher Y/A throwing it more, 6/1 TD/INT to Mac's 2/2, higher rating and less yards to sacks. Same comp %.

I mean it's almost like Jackson is the better passer but that would take about 3 minutes of research.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Our first home game this year. Coming off a win against the Steelers, would love to build on that momentum. The Ravens coming off a bad loss against the Dolphins, we'll see how it affects them this week. I think the main thing is make sure we get out in front and get off to a good start. Let's make Baltimore a one dimensional team where Jackson can be erratic at times throwing the ball.

Let's discuss!!!

One thing I know for sure. Patriots can't get into a shootout, giving up 35 points and hoping for a comeback flat out is NOT going to happen with this Patriots offensive unit! Our only hope is to contain Lamar Jackson, maybe run a spy, keep him in that pocket, don't give up big plays. If the dirty birds score 30+ on this defense, it's gonna get ugly. We don't have the likes of Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle to power a comeback.

This is Miami's air force, sleek fast, and dangerous:



This is the Patriots:

 

[catent]

If Jackson doesn't scare you passing than you must not think much of Mac.

Jackson has a higher Y/A throwing it more, 6/1 TD/INT to Mac's 2/2, higher rating and less yards to sacks. Same comp %.

I mean it's almost like Jackson is the better passer but that would take about 3 minutes of research.

I don't think you'll find either of those posters pumping up Mac. Not sure why the need to throw the shade on him, though, while defending Jackson. The claim that Lamar has thrown the ball more than Jones this season I'm not sure is actually the case ... looks like Jones has a few more attempts and completions, so Jackson certainly has a YPC edge. The fewer yards-to-sacks stat is also a little iffy, because they've been sacked the same number of times (2), so one could effectively say that Jackson has thrown for more yards, which is true.

Lamar: 38/59 (64.4%), 531 yards, 6 TD, 1 INT
Jones: 42/65 (64.6%), 465 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT

Lamar is a good quarterback and I won't argue otherwise. I don't believe Mac is a consistently better passer than Lamar at this point in time, but I do believe Mac is also a good quarterback. I was quietly pleased with Mac's quarterbacking against Pittsburgh, save for the stupid across-his-body throw that was nearly intercepted.

 

[VJCPatriot]

If Jackson doesn't scare you passing than you must not think much of Mac.

Jackson has a higher Y/A throwing it more, 6/1 TD/INT to Mac's 2/2, higher rating and less yards to sacks. Same comp %.

I mean it's almost like Jackson is the better passer but that would take about 3 minutes of research.

And to think we could have had that Lamar Jackson guy in 2018 but instead BB opted for... Sony Michel! UGH! Cos as we all know, picking a RB or maybe even a Guard is more impactful than the most important position on the field...

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

And to think we could have had that Lamar Jackson guy in 2018 but instead BB opted for... Sony Michel! UGH! Cos as we all know, picking a RB or maybe even a Guard is more impactful than the most important position on the field...

Always the same approach. 20/20 hindsight.

 

[catent]

And to think we could have had that Lamar Jackson guy in 2018 but instead BB opted for... Sony Michel! UGH! Cos as we all know, picking a RB or maybe even a Guard is more impactful than the most important position on the field...

The same Sony Michel who played a vital role in the 2018 Super Bowl run.

We won a Super Bowl in 2018 with Tom Brady and Sony Michel; drafted Mac Jones three seasons later, who appears to be on his way. But we're bent out of shape because BB didn't draft Lamar Jackson with the 2018 1st-round pick.

I'm no expert, but my hunch is that had BB drafted Lamar Jackson with a 1st-round draft selection while Tom Brady was still on the team, you (and probably many others) would've lost their collective minds.

When people talk about fans who will never be satisfied, and when I think of the discourse that is making this forum tough to read, this post is exhibit 'A'.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I don't think you'll find either of those posters pumping up Mac. Not sure why the need to throw the shade on him, though, while defending Jackson. The claim that Lamar has thrown the ball more than Jones this season I'm not sure is actually the case ... looks like Jones has a few more attempts and completions, so Jackson certainly has a YPC edge. The fewer yards-to-sacks stat is also a little iffy, because they've been sacked the same number of times (2), so one could effectively say that Jackson has thrown for more yards, which is true.

Lamar: 38/59 (64.4%), 531 yards, 6 TD, 1 INT
Jones: 42/65 (64.6%), 465 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT

Lamar is a good quarterback and I won't argue otherwise. I don't believe Mac is a consistently better passer than Lamar at this point in time, but I do believe Mac is also a good quarterback. I was quietly pleased with Mac's quarterbacking against Pittsburgh, save for the stupid across-his-body throw that was nearly intercepted.

It's the narrative with Jackson that won't die. When in fact he's been a better passer than Mac throughout their young careers.

And honestly I don't think it's shade although I can see why some would take it that way being Pats fans. I really dont though and see it more like I wouldn't be talking about a former MVP when our QB is exactly lighting it up. Make sure your own house is in order etc

And truthfully all I did was look at the #'s. I don't think that's throwing shade at all??

Not to mention some posters need to be called out every once and a while for not knowing what they're talking about. Jackson has a 6/1 TD/INT ratio and is leading the league or top 2-3 in ... ANY/A 9.90 NY/A 8.67 AY/A 10.3

Also fwiw I brought up yards lost off sacks bc Mac takes bad sacks. He was up there or leading the league last year.

Mac wouldn't have been my pick, that's well known but I think I've been pretty objective concerning him. Especially regarding what type of player he is. I was talking about tightening up his mechanics to unlock velocity well before the draft. How he deals with pressure. His arm. Comparisons. I think he's capable of being a really good QB but we haven't seen special or great yet.

The same Sony Michel who played a vital role in the 2018 Super Bowl run.

We won a Super Bowl in 2018 with Tom Brady and Sony Michel; drafted Mac Jones three seasons later, who appears to be on his way. But we're bent out of shape because BB didn't draft Lamar Jackson with the 2018 1st-round pick.

I'm no expert, but my hunch is that had BB drafted Lamar Jackson with a 1st-round draft selection while Tom Brady was still on the team, you (and probably many others) would've lost their collective minds.

When people talk about fans who will never be satisfied, and when I think of the discourse that is making this forum tough to read, this post is exhibit 'A'.

Sony was very good, played his role for sure but he was a variable in that equation that could have been replaced with a number of backs. Definitely not a bust but the definition of why you don't draft a RB RD1.

I actually think and thought long before that draft that Jackson would have been a perfect fit for a successor to Brady bc he's such a unique player and needed time. You could have sold it a little differently but we'll never know. I was definitely one of the few that wanted him here long before the draft though. That was a tough time though and basically had very few good options at the time.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

And to think we could have had that Lamar Jackson guy in 2018 but instead BB opted for... Sony Michel! UGH! Cos as we all know, picking a RB or maybe even a Guard is more impactful than the most important position on the field...

It's tough bc those were "win now" picks. Guys that came in and were supposed to have an immediate impact but the team was on a tight rope in terms of a window. I loved the Wynn pick. I wouldn't have drafted Sony but understood it bc he was supposed to be the cherry on top of the offense. We had a good WR/TE corp. Best QB ever. Good OL. Sony was supposed to be that dynamic weapon but never materialized.

One guy that never gets mentioned is Harold Landry. I would have taken him over Sony if Lamar wasn't an option. Instant pass rush and speed. Super hard working, nice guy, never have to worry about him. 31 sacks, 41 TFL, 66 QB hits.

 

[Guts]

It's tough bc those were "win now" picks. Guys that came in and were supposed to have an immediate impact but the team was on a tight rope in terms of a window. I loved the Wynn pick. I wouldn't have drafted Sony but understood it bc he was supposed to be the cherry on top of the offense. We had a good WR/TE corp. Best QB ever. Good OL. Sony was supposed to be that dynamic weapon but never materialized.

One guy that never gets mentioned is Harold Landry. I would have taken him over Sony if Lamar wasn't an option. Instant pass rush and speed. Super hard working, nice guy, never have to worry about him. 31 sacks, 41 TFL, 66 QB hits.

I will say Sony was essential for that playoff run in 2018. He ran hard in all three games Chargers, Chefs and Rams

 

[JMC00]

Jackson has a higher Y/A throwing it more, 6/1 TD/INT to Mac's 2/2, higher rating and less yards to sacks. Same comp %.

2 game sample size? Jones just went against 2 defenses that had Brian Flores (Pitt Def Asst) and Josh Boyer (Miami DC) on staff. Everyone knows how Pats teams can struggle against former assistants because they know the workings. Even Brady had numerous ****e passing games in Miami. Jones as a rookie last year was a better passer than Jackson has been in any year before. You'll say 2019 he won the MVP the only thing he has on Jones for that as far as passing goes is more TDs and less INTs.

Jones had a 67.4 completion rate as a rookie. Jackson has been 64.1 for the last 2 seasons.
But that 67.4% is on 521 attempts. Whereas Jackson has never attempted more than 400 passes in a season.

Jones also has a first year OC with a slightly different offense from last year. Jackson is in the same offense and has had the same OC basically his whole nfl career

 

[moosekill]

If Jackson doesn't scare you passing than you must not think much of Mac.

Jackson has a higher Y/A throwing it more, 6/1 TD/INT to Mac's 2/2, higher rating and less yards to sacks. Same comp %.

I mean it's almost like Jackson is the better passer but that would take about 3 minutes of research.

Bacon's guy is coming to town!

 

[1960Pats]

If Jackson doesn't scare you passing than you must not think much of Mac.

Jackson has a higher Y/A throwing it more, 6/1 TD/INT to Mac's 2/2, higher rating and less yards to sacks. Same comp %.

I mean it's almost like Jackson is the better passer but that would take about 3 minutes of research.

Jackson's threat to run opens up the defense for his passes, but he's still not all that scary when he passes. His one accomplishment, his MVP, came because of his runs more than his passes. He's a smaller, more shifty version of prime Cant Newton.

I also don't think it's fair to compare Jones and Jackson. Jones is being asked to learn a new system with all new coaches in his 2nd year.

 

[ashley]

Getting everyone ready for a Wednesday, keeping an eye on the injury report later today:

 

[Triumph]

They don’t need to blitz to get pressure. You can do that through disguise, stunts, and twists. It’s more important that they choke off the underneath and intermediate stuff. If they blitz, they give our offense what they want - wide open slants and crossers. If they don’t blitz, Mac has to hold the ball longer.

The Ravens blitzed Flacco 17 times. Baltimore blitzing the Dolphins blew up because they have Waddle and Hill and Tua made throws like Josh Allen. The Pats dont have WRs like that so there is no reason to worry about deep throws. You can still blitz and choke of the short passing game. The Bills do it to perfection.

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[Triumph]

One thing I know for sure. Patriots can't get into a shootout, giving up 35 points and hoping for a comeback flat out is NOT going to happen with this Patriots offensive unit! Our only hope is to contain Lamar Jackson, maybe run a spy, keep him in that pocket, don't give up big plays. If the dirty birds score 30+ on this defense, it's gonna get ugly. We don't have the likes of Tyreek Hill and Jaylen Waddle to power a comeback.

This is Miami's air force, sleek fast, and dangerous:

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Those planes are the defunct Northrup YF23 that were prototypes that lost to the Lockeed F22 in a US air to air fighter contest. The purpose of the competition was to build a replacement for the F15.

 

[sb1]

Duvernay in concussion protocol? If he's out on Sunday that helps us.

Ravens have a lot of injury problems at LB and secondary. Probably explains their pass defense so far.