Ringer Article: Will Bill Belichick’s Big Coaching Gamble Backfire?

[Ring 6]

"changed the offense" vs "not adding a new scheme". They cant cant add or diversify without changing the offense? You used both terms. Are they not adding or not changing?

You confirmed they are streamlining because of the new offensive coaching staff. You dont disagree here. Again, never said they were too stupid, I said they were inexperienced in a complicated offense, with an inexperienced qb. Again, you purposely misinterpreting what I said. Funny how you can instantly become hypocritical.

Again, explain what context the quotes I provided are in.

I havent back tracked on one thing. I said from the beginning 5 months ago, that they were streamlining, simplifying and altering parts of the offense...All that has seemingly been done

What are you even talking about

Again, find me reports, quotes, any sort of evidence of the last time they streamlined the offense, or are trying to add in shanahan type concepts. If it happens every year, this would be easy to find. Considering how much noise its made this year, youd think every other year would result in the same type of coverage

What you focus on is what it looks like on your tv screen, not everything that goes into actually running the offense.

Ugh
Scheme and offense mean the same thing.
If you “add” a scheme you change the offense.

You still do not understand ( or choose not to) what streamlining terminology means.
Streamlining terminology is not at all the same as simplifying the offense.

I do not care about reports, I have told you that numerous times. I care about what happens on the field. I have zero interest in reading about what people think they see and think will happen, when I will see it for myself, and I know after 20 years of watching the organization in action, what parameters “change” will fit within. This topic, particularly in the media, started from incorrect assumption, and has built upon it.
Every year since Belichick arrived the Patriots have operated within an offensive scheme, and made changes to it based upon their personnel, what worked and didn’t last year, how defenses are changing, etc. They have a vast playbook which they can draw from to adapt to personnel, they do not have to add things. The outside zone run concept has been used forever. Using it more often particularly in practice is not adding something new. It’s not changing the offense.
This year is no different. They are doing the same thing.

 

[Hyped]

Comments:

a.) I stopped reading when the author said Mac Jones threw an interception "into quadruple coverage". Watch the end zone camera angle...only one guy was even close to Bourne.

b.) Doesn't the author realize that we also do not have a DC as well? We haven't had one since Patricia went to Detroit. We are doing a-OK with Steve Belichick and Jerod Mayo...our D was actually solid the last two seasons before fading down the stretch.

c.) The author keeps talking about Patricia/Judge's offenses in Detroit/New York while glossing over the fact that both guys had ****ty personnel....

Patricia had these "elite" offensive skill players over 3 years: Stafford (half a season in 2019), Golladay, Kerryon Johnson, J.D. McKissic, Danny Amendola, Hockenson, Swift, Marv Lewis Jr., and LG Blount.

Judge had these "elite" offensive skill players over 2 years: Daniel Jones (missed 1/3 of 2021), Sterling Shepard, Darius Slayton, Evan Engram, Saquon Barkley (missed most of 2020), Kenny Golladay, and Kadarius Toney (missed half of 2021).

 

[All3Phases]

Ugh
Scheme and offense mean the same thing.
If you “add” a scheme you change the offense.

So you do not believe theyre adding any west coast wrinkles to the offense?

You still do not understand ( or choose not to) what streamlining terminology means.
Streamlining terminology is not at all the same as simplifying the offense.

I very much understand what it means, what do you think the goal of streamlining terminology is? Again, what do you think Trent Brown is saying?

I do not care about reports, I have told you that numerous times. I care about what happens on the field. I have zero interest in reading about what people think they see and think will happen, when I will see it for myself, and I know after 20 years of watching the organization in action, what parameters “change” will fit within. This topic, particularly in the media, started from incorrect assumption, and has built upon it.
Every year since Belichick arrived the Patriots have operated within an offensive scheme, and made changes to it based upon their personnel, what worked and didn’t last year, how defenses are changing, etc. They have a vast playbook which they can draw from to adapt to personnel, they do not have to add things. The outside zone run concept has been used forever. Using it more often particularly in practice is not adding something new. It’s not changing the offense.
This year is no different. They are doing the same thing.

I understand you dont want to acknowledge anything anybody else says, if I am wrong, then players, media, writers, former players all will be wrong as well. Again, its something that happens every year according to you, but cant find me one shred of evidence.

 

[archstanton543]

Ping....

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Who will win?

 

[Sicilian]

On Tom Curran's podcast, he had Pete Kendall, former NFL guard, who talked about how there are very few new concepts invented in football anymore. Everyone basically runs everything, it's just a matter of how much they emphasize each concept in a game, and how they try to build certain plays off of the other ones. Some good stuff in general in the interview, but the comments I'm referring to happen around 15:20, when asked about running the wide zone run scheme:

 

[Brotherblues]

Ping....

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Who will win?

Absolutely no one, least of all us.

 

[Boomer B]

All3phases, don’t even bother. You could show Andy a card that is red and he’ll argue to the death that it’s black. Then when you point out he is wrong, he will tell you that red is actually just a shade of black, so he’s right. Half of these threads are taken up with his posts going back and forth.

 

[Ring 6]

So you do not believe theyre adding any west coast wrinkles to the offense?

I very much understand what it means, what do you think the goal of streamlining terminology is? Again, what do you think Trent Brown is saying?

I understand you dont want to acknowledge anything anybody else says, if I am wrong, then players, media, writers, former players all will be wrong as well. Again, its something that happens every year according to you, but cant find me one shred of evidence.

You don’t think they’ve run wco concepts in the past?

Ok since you don’t know I will explain it to you. From the basic structure of playing calling terms get added for unique variations in responsibilities on plays. You can end up with multiple versions of the same play used for an individual situation or opponent. Over a long period of time the “dictionary gets expanded and needs to be cutback. Brown is saying a smaller dictionary and fewer variations to his duties within a concept gives him less to learn, remember and think about. The design, structure and execution are not simplified.

No, they are not. You are because you take those comments out of context, portend they mean things they did not and bastardize the comments into supporting whatever you choose to spew.
Yes it happens every year. Why don’t you go watch the games.
Do you think the offense in 2020 was a lot different than 2019?
Do you think 2021 was a lot different than 2020?
Do you disagree that this year will resemble 2021 much more than the last 2 seasons offenses resembled the previous years?
You can’t be telling me you think the offense is changing more this year that the last 2.

How about 2001 to 2002?

2003 to 2004?
2006 to 2007?
2009 to 2010?
2010 to 2011?
2011 to 2012?
2012 to 2013?

Those are 9 of the last 21 seasons that were unquestionably a bigger change than we will see from 2021 to 2022.
So, yes, it happens every year, in varying degrees.

I don’t need to see whether someone wrote about it when I saw it with my own eyes.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Thanks, Andy!

 

[IcyPatriot]

This story has me laughing ...
What great coach would not put their team in best situation to win???
Panic ...

 

[jimnance]

Thanks, Andy!

I got Andy winning by TKO in the 12th round.
But wasn't really a fair fight.
Heavyweight vs. Lightweight

 

[Wozzy]

Yeah this offense is not going to look like it did when hernandez was here, mainly because the talent here is not what it was then. If all it took was a scheme then the worst offense in football could run a scheme and be great, you have to have the players to make anything work, if you dont, it wont.

I suspect you were one of the jokers saying we weren’t talented enough in 2014, 2016 and 2018.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Not sure what that has to do with a receiver who was here for over a decade saying he doesnt recognize many of the concepts theyre practicing

No, heres his actual quote "I went to a practice recently, the joint practice with (Las Vegas) and New England, and I saw a lot of concepts that I didn't really recognize. So it looks potentially like they could be trying to trickle in some of this West Coast Flair"

Again, because it looks the same to you on TV, doesnt mean it is

Thanks for the quote. Edelman said, in your quote, that the Pats "could be trying to trickle in" and you wrote "he doesn't recognize many of the concepts". How did you read "trickle in" and think "many"? "Trickle in" usually means a "sprinkle" or a few.

 

[DarrylS]

The article sounds like the never ending idiotic BS of Bertram, while Zolak plays nice.

Every day the same old whining & moaning, so much so the sports talk show I used to favor is now at the back of my pack..

 

[Sciz]

2022 NFL rookie updates: Preseason notes, impressions and stats for all 32 first-round draft picks

Which rookies will start early? Which could struggle to get snaps? Here's what we've seen from each first-round pick over the past month.

www.espn.com

Elam's camp has been up and down, and he has been unable to take the lead in the battle for the No. 2 corner job opposite Tre'Davious White, who is still on PUP and rehabbing from a torn left ACL. Elam remains behind 2020 seventh-round pick Dane Jackson on the depth chart, while fellow rookie and sixth-round pick out of Villanova, Christian Benford, has impressed, giving Elam more of a challenge.

That’s ESPN’s view on Elam. If that’s getting an A grade from Bleacher Report, then they better be giving out some A+++++ grades for the guys that have actually exceeded expectations so far.

Update: Elam did, in fact, get beat out for the starting job by sixth rounder Christian Benford.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Update: Elam did, in fact, get beat out for the starting job by sixth rounder Christian Benford.

That's not possible, haven't you heard on here that BB should have taken him in the 1st rd instead a 3rd rd guard?

 

[WhatJustHappened]

BTW, how'd the #1 Coach and his team look last night?
They must have come out flying and in charge considering it was Banner night!

 

[sb1]

I know he just signed an extension but I don't think that's stopping Kingsbury's seat from feeling a little warmer today out in Arizona.

Just saying in case BB wants to/is ordered to bring in an actual NFL OC and offensive mind this winter and potential heir when he retires...

 

[captain stone]

This story has me laughing ...
What great coach would not put their team in best situation to win???

Bill Belichick would, and has.

 

[TheRainMaker]

The rumor or speculation from Tom Curran is that no established coach wants to work with Bill as he is hard to work with and doesn't pay well.