Official 2022 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[VectorPrime]

Apparently according to Cowherd it wasn't a vacation

Well technically according to Rick Stroud.

 

[1960Pats]

Among many things in 2019, Bill really handled Thomas poorly. Thomas was cut in August, but then agreed to re-sign with the team because he was under the impression he had a spot on the team. Then he was traded two weeks later to the Jets once Brown signed, yet keeps Gordon who quit on the team one year earlier during their playoff run to do drugs.

It was one of many idiotic/classless moves by Bill in 2019.

Demaryius Thomas calls trade from Patriots to Jets 'insulting'

New York Jets wideout Demaryius Thomas is content, but he felt disrespected when the New England Patriots traded him, saying the move was "insulting."

www.usatoday.com

Don't you know? Bill's a genius and is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers. How dare you criticize him. You couldn't get away with that in the main forum.

Bill's a great HC but he's only as great as his players, like all coaches.

 

[1960Pats]

Where does this ridiculous notion that Brady has “spent half his life away from family” come from? The dude plays football; he wasn’t deployed to the Middle East lol. He gets six months completely off per year and still probably spends more time with his family in the remaining six months than busy lawyers, doctors, or executives do.

Thank you. I've been talking for years about the nonsense that NYFL players lose more time with their family than the average working stiff. That's completely absurd.

 

[1960Pats]

The Pats made a huge mistake choosing Belichick over Brady. Lmfao that anyone should care one bit that the Bucs chose Brady over Bruce freaking Arians.

If Belichick had been fired after Super Bowl 52, Bill O’Brian would have come back as coach, and Nick Caserio would probably still be here as a real GM. And there’s a good chance that the machine is still chugging along with Brady as QB.

I don't think we can make that assumption, though I'm sure that Brady wanted to stay here. All we have to go on is what we know. Brady left (we can argue about why some other time) and the winning left with him. That much we know for sure.

 

[1960Pats]

There are few things more annoying, cliched, and embarrassing in sports fandom than butthurt sports fans going “yeah how come these diva athletes think they have it so hard when us hard working stiffs get two weeks off a year. They get paid millions to play a game!” Yeah here’s the thing, they’re the most excellent of the excellent at performing a very specialized job in an extremely in demand field that basically no one else on earth can do as well. You aren’t. If that’s an issue take it up with God and stop watching because you watching is what pays them.

I don't get what that has to do with athletes complaining about being away from their families. Who else could we compare athletes to than every day workers?

 

[1960Pats]

It's amazing how much attention Brady gets from the media. He's bigger than big.

 

[1960Pats]

I haven't seen any posts of yours that are critical of Bill.

Show me a critical post of Bill that you have made and I'll believe you

Don't hold your breath.

 

[1960Pats]

Harry would be prime Jerry Rice if selfish ass Brady went to OTA’s

Oh yeah, I remember. It was Temperamental Tommy's fault.

 

[crawhammer]

The Bucs top three receivers are out with injuries and not practicing fully and the right tackle is also out for a bit. But yeah Brady not being there really set everything back right.

Yes, his absence probably contributed to everything being set back, if that's actually the case. Preferably your team leader is present while the team is processing through some roster setbacks due to injury. Ultimately Brady is the main guy who's going to make everything work... and obviously he needs to be present for that to be the case. Very likely these more unheralded Bucs receivers are going to see significant playing time during the season so the more practice reps they can get in now with Brady the better. Practice reps with Kyle Trask aren't going to amount to much.

I mean if Giselle, who is by earning power the breadwinner of the family and would probably win any divorce proceedings, demands you submit to her powerplay and take a week off training camp or else I don’t think Brady can really say no.

Yes, he can say no. He has a very large professional commitment to an NFL franchise. He should be available to his team for a full training camp. And if Brady only agreed with the family vacation under the threat of divorce then I doubt he would have been much fun on the trip. I think a lot of us are married here... put yourself in those shoes... probably not conducive to a lot of Hallmark moments with the wife.

Other than Rudolph, who was a very late pickup, and Goedeke, who's a rookie taking the place of the injured Stinnie, Brady's had plenty of work with the offensive newbies. As for Gage, he's been out with injury, so Brady being there wouldn't have made any difference. And I'm not sure where you think the QB missing a few practices is going to impact a direct Brady-to-Goedeke situation.

He missed more than "a few practices." Nearly two weeks and 2 preseason games. He probably plays some in the second preseason game, or even if not, his presence could have been useful... communicating with players on the sideline in real time about game situations. Even if you're willing to concede one player, Rudolph, then you're acknowledging how Brady's absence could have been a problem.

I see nothing problematic here, if what we've been told is true. The absence, supposedly long expected, shouldn't bother anyone. Nobody would be making the panic claims you're making if this was about missed time due to injury.

Then again, this is Patsfans.com, where Brady missing OTAs got blamed for N'Keal Harry being a bust.

Look, I'm with you on the Harry situation. Never considered Brady any part of Harry's demise in New England. He was a bad draft pick right from the start... that's on Bill fully.

I'm also not making "panic claims." In fact I think I've indicated that ultimately I don't think the absence will actually effect the scoreboard. That said, I think he should have been at training camp, especially if the excuse was a family vacation in the Bahamas. And for comparison's sake, this bothers me more than Brady taking some phone calls from Miami during the 2019 season. That had zero impact on the 2019 season whereas this situation at least has the potential of working against the team's preparation for the start of the 2022 season. Seems like an inescapable notion.

 

[Deus Irae]

Yes, his absence probably contributed to everything being set back, if that's actually the case. Preferably your team leader is present while the team is processing through some roster setbacks due to injury.

That's one of the worst takes in take history.

 

[Deus Irae]

He missed more than "a few practices." Nearly two weeks and 2 preseason games. He probably plays some in the second preseason game, or even if not, his presence could have been useful... communicating with players on the sideline in real time about game situations. Even if you're willing to concede one player, Rudolph, then you're acknowledging how Brady's absence could have been a problem.

He missed 11 days. He missed 2 games he wouldn't have been playing in. Try again.


No, don't try again. You're being ridiculous. "Even if you're willing to concede one player...", when that one player is Kyle Rudolph, is not even good comedy.

 

[sb1]

If he really is ready to go in week 1...wow. Sky is the limit for that offense.

 

[crawhammer]

That's one of the worst takes in take history.

We're having a failure to communicate.

To be clear, you mentioned the phrase "everything set back." I said if that's true, everything is set back (which it probably isn't), then Brady's absence is a contributing factor. How could it not?

Aside from that, how is it not preferable to have your team leader present for any chunk of time during training camp? This seems like a pretty simple equation... having Brady there is better than him not being there. You can't agree with that? If you can then you're necessarily agreeing his absence is a negative. If you can't then you're just denying the obvious.

He missed 11 days. He missed 2 games he wouldn't have been playing in. Try again.

No, don't try again. You're being ridiculous. "Even if you're willing to concede one player...", when that one player is Kyle Rudolph, is not even good comedy.

Right, 11 days, not just "a few" as you said.

So Rudolph isn't making the team? Because that's the only way your comment is justified. Gronk retired and Howard isn't an option anymore. They're left with Rudolph, Brate and two rookies at TE. Brate looked decent as a #2 to Gronk. I'm not sure he's even a much better option as the #1 over Rudolph, who's gotten worse for five consecutive seasons. So yes, I think training camp reps between Brady and Rudolph are important.

I'm pretty sure Brady is the first player in the history of the NFL to take a family vacation to the Bahamas in the middle of training camp. It's not a nothing situation.

If he really is ready to go in week 1...wow. Sky is the limit for that offense.

They need to put together a representative offensive line or their skill position players will be catching a lot of short passes. But yes, if all of the WRs are healthy and ready to go, and Jones and Gage are fully acclimated to the playbook, then that's a really solid group. As I've indicated, I'm skeptical of their TEs and I'd like to see a consistently reliable receiving back emerge... I don't love Fournette in that role... maybe they got something in Rachaad White.

 

[Deus Irae]

We're having a failure to communicate.

To be clear, you mentioned the phrase "everything set back." I said if that's true, everything is set back (which it probably isn't), then Brady's absence is a contributing factor. How could it not?

You're making what I consider a bad argument, you're getting called out for it, and then you're doubling down on your position.


That's not a failure of communication.

Aside from that, how is it not preferable to have your team leader present for any chunk of time during training camp? This seems like a pretty simple equation... having Brady there is better than him not being there. You can't agree with that? If you can then you're necessarily agreeing his absence is a negative. If you can't then you're just denying the obvious.

Who claimed it was preferable that Brady be gone? I didn't. Who did that here? Did anyone actually make that argument, or are you now creating straw men to slay?

 

[crawhammer]

You're making what I consider a bad argument, you're getting called out for it, and then you're doubling down on your position.

My position is Brady shouldn't have taken off smack dab in the middle of training camp to attend a family vacation. It's not an unpopular opinion. They can go on to win the Super Bowl... I'll still hold the same opinion about his absence during training camp.

Who claimed it was preferable that Brady be gone? I didn't. Who did that here? Did anyone actually make that argument, or are you now creating straw men to slay?

You're rewording what I said (again). I never claimed anyone said it was preferable that Brady be gone. I asked how is it not preferable that Brady be there. There's a difference. Of course no one prefers Brady not be there, which only emphasizes my point that his being there would have been of some benefit. If you take away that benefit (which he did) then it's a negative. It's not complicated.

Brady's supposed to be the ultimate competitor who's always looking for any advantage over his opponent. This hiatus from training camp while everyone else is still sweating their balls off doesn't exactly fit that mold.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

My position is Brady shouldn't have taken off smack dab in the middle of training camp to attend a family vacation. It's not an unpopular opinion. They can go on to win the Super Bowl... I'll still hold the same opinion about his absence during training camp.


You're rewording what I said (again). I never claimed anyone said it was preferable that Brady be gone. I asked how is it not preferable that Brady be there. There's a difference. Of course no one prefers Brady not be there, which only emphasizes my point that his being there would have been of some benefit. If you take away that benefit (which he did) then it's a negative. It's not complicated.

Brady's supposed to be the ultimate competitor who's always looking for any advantage over his opponent. This hiatus from training camp while everyone else is still sweating their balls off doesn't exactly fit that mold.

Everyone knows that compromise is a big part of any good relationship. Gisele has made most of the sacrifice in this relationship to allow Brady to play. At 45, it’s natural to me that Brady is making compromise to keep his wife happy. My guess is he loves his wife very much and he doesn’t want her to leave him because he is thinking solely about himself and his career. Brady was a full commitment football guy until he turned 40 and his wife told him that she was not happy about their relationship. And people can’t comprehend that he wants to keep playing very much but want to keep his wife just as much.

If the condition for Brady to keep playing is taking 10 days of vacation during training camp so be it. My guess is the Bucs will be more than happy to give him that, if it means he keep playing.

I find it funny that the people the most outraged by that are fans that don’t play sport at high level and think they hold the moral compass of superstar athletes

 

[crawhammer]

Everyone knows that compromise is a big part of any good relationship. Gisele has made most of the sacrifice in this relationship to allow Brady to play. At 45, it’s natural to me that Brady is making compromise to keep his wife happy. My guess is he loves his wife very much and he doesn’t want her to leave him because he is thinking solely about himself and his career.

If the condition for Brady to keep playing is taking 10 days of vacation during training camp so be it. My guess is the Bucs will be more than happy to give him that, if it means he keep playing.

I find it funny that the people the most outraged by that are fans that don’t play sport at high level and think they hold the moral compass of superstar athletes

Which NFL franchise do you play for?

Look, I realize you're not just talking about me, but in no way am I "outraged." And who's bringing morality into the discussion. We're talking about taking some time off during an NFL training camp. It's not exactly the equivalent of O.J. slaughtering his ex-wife and a waiter. Or I can't pass judgment either on a double homicide because I didn't play in a professional sports league?

Your commentary on Brady's marriage sounds like a passage from a romance novel. So Brady's the only player in the entire NFL who loves his wife and wants to make her happy? And again with this Brady had to take this vacation or else Gisele was going to divorce his ass. Give me a break. What ridiculous drama that's being created here. I don't really know anything about Brady's marriage and nor do I give a sh*t. I only care about what he's doing on the football field, which includes attending training camp when healthy like EVERY OTHER PLAYER on every single roster in the NFL.

And no, I'm sure the Bucs were not happy with their quarterback taking off in the middle of training to go to the Bahamas while EVERY OTHER PLAYER on the roster was expected to be sweating their balls off at football practice. His teammates probably think it was a **** move too.

 

[Tottie]

Which NFL franchise do you play for?

Look, I realize you're not just talking about me, but in no way am I "outraged." And who's bringing morality into the discussion. We're talking about taking some time off during an NFL training camp. It's not exactly the equivalent of O.J. slaughtering his ex-wife and a waiter. Or I can't pass judgment either on a double homicide because I didn't play in a professional sports league?

Your commentary on Brady's marriage sounds like a passage from a romance novel. So Brady's the only player in the entire NFL who loves his wife and wants to make her happy? And again with this Brady had to take this vacation or else Gisele was going to divorce his ass. Give me a break. What ridiculous drama that's being created here. I don't really know anything about Brady's marriage and nor do I give a sh*t. I only care about what he's doing on the football field, which includes attending training camp when healthy like EVERY OTHER PLAYER on every single roster in the NFL.

And no, I'm sure the Bucs were not happy with their quarterback taking off in the middle of training to go to the Bahamas while EVERY OTHER PLAYER on the roster was expected to be sweating their balls off at football practice. His teammates probably think it was a **** move too.

You don't seem to get it. Your constant posting on the matter makes all your posts irrelevant. You make good posts in lots of threads but your fixation on issues makes people dismiss you. You keep arguing on this matter, and you won't stop. You lost. It doesn't matter much that he had to leave. It doesn't matter. Most of us prefer he was there and many have posted such fact. You just keep beating the horse like you've done in many other threads. You care more about arguing than about the subjects you discuss.

 

[Guts]

And no, I'm sure the Bucs were not happy with their quarterback taking off in the middle of training to go to the Bahamas while EVERY OTHER PLAYER on the roster was expected to be sweating their balls off at football practice. His teammates probably think it was a **** move too.

Cowherd and Stroud have both declared it wasn't a vacation that caused the absence.

 

[TheRainMaker]

So now it's confirmed that Carr is that "M'fer". Gruden is a moron.