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This is where we gather to follow things on Game Day. Obviously, emotions tend to be high so if anyone gets a little crazy, the use of the “Mute” button is encouraged on anyone who may be annoying to you to control your experience and to allow the moderators to also enjoy the game.

At the same time, please take a deep breath before over-reacting for the sake of making this a pleasant experience for everyone.

Meyers has also had memorably bad drops..
See, this is the danger of throwing out a statement like that, without really knowing the facts or giving any concrete examples whatsoever…. somebody else may actually do some research and call you out.

This data is a bit old but is still relevant. Witten had the lowest drop rate in the league from 2015-2017 at 2.33%.

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Now let’s look at Meyers drop rate over the past two years.

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2.5% drop rate with Cam shot-putting the ball all over the place and 1.6% last year with Mac. Meyers has his weaknesses but let’s not start fabricating them.

 
What an ingenius way to list WRs...why didn't I think of that. The fact that Parker got 0 receptions from Mac last season automatically makes him the number 4 guy on our depth chart. Makes sense.
Haha

What makes zero sense is that Meyers started 16 games last season and was on the field for 84% of the offensive snaps. So, since Parker was signed and has done absolutely nothing, lets move Meyers to WR4 per MAC10 because he is Mac Jones biggest fan. Crazy
 
See, this is the danger of throwing out a statement like that, without really knowing the facts or giving any concrete examples whatsoever…. somebody else may actually do some research and call you out.

This data is a bit old but is still relevant. Witten had the lowest drop rate in the league from 2015-2017 at 2.33%.

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Now let’s look at Meyers drop rate over the past two years.

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2.5% drop rate with Cam shot-putting the ball all over the place and 1.6% last year with Mac. Meyers has his weaknesses but let’s not start fabricating them.

Seriously.. this is next level analysis and rebuttal.. are you working for the pats?? Extremely impressed... Posts like yours makes this forum much more read worthy than the garbage spouted in major media ...
 
Meyers has also had memorably bad drops..
See, this is the danger of throwing out a statement like that, without really knowing the facts or giving any concrete examples whatsoever…. somebody else may actually do some research and call you out.

This data is a bit old but is still relevant. Witten had the lowest drop rate in the league from 2015-2017 at 2.33%.

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Now let’s look at Meyers drop rate over the past two years.

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2.5% drop rate with Cam shot-putting the ball all over the place and 1.6% last year with Mac. Meyers has his weaknesses but let’s not start fabricating them.

The amount of drops is not what the poster is implying. The question is, what drops is the poster referring to that was "memorable" or had an effect on the game?
 
The amount of drops is not what the poster is implying. The question is, what drops is the poster referring to that was "memorable" or had an effect on the game?
Personally, I have no prominent memories of Meyers dropping the ball in crucial situations (not that it hasn't necessarily happened). I've seen the flip side of this argument posted recently as well, which is a claim that Meyers' receptions/yards were "empty" because the TD rate is so low. So according to some people, his mistakes are in big moments whereas during the rest of the game when he puts up numbers, it's of no consequence.

I also don't particularly care about TDs if someone is a good chain mover and security blanket like Meyers. Not everyone has to fill every role.
 
The Z role in the offense has never been a prolific TD scorer. Edelman averaged 4.5 as a starter. Meyers had 2 last year, and was unlucky vs the cowboys to have his 1st called back. Should be 3

Mac Intentionally seeks him out in “gotta have it” moments. Not sure where the empty stats narrative came from.

4/5 - 4thDown (Led Team and top 10 in nfl)

19/25 - 3rd down (led team and Top 10 in NFL)

2/2 - 2 point conversion ( Led Team and NFL)

I know the lack of YAC gets people riled up, but I really don’t understand and why it Matters.

If Meyers catches a pass 10 yards down field with 0 Yac, why is that worse than Edelman who caught it 6 yards down field and ran for 4 more?
 
The amount of drops is not what the poster is implying. The question is, what drops is the poster referring to that was "memorable" or had an effect on the game?
The only notable drop is the one where he lost it in the lights with no one within 10 yds of him against the Texans, but it didn't affect the outcome. I would've created a gif, but it looks like the Youtube TV video expired literally 2 days ago. He also had some drops counted against him over his career that shouldn't have been at all (basically uncatchable). Chase had 11 drops and Deebo had 10 (both around mid 8.5% drop rate). People harp on Agholor for his one drop (but that was quite critical) last year. It is what it is.
 
Myers isn't flashy but he quietly becoming an important part of our offense. He's been growing on me.
 
The Z role in the offense has never been a prolific TD scorer. Edelman averaged 4.5 as a starter. Meyers had 2 last year, and was unlucky vs the cowboys to have his 1st called back. Should be 3

Mac Intentionally seeks him out in “gotta have it” moments. Not sure where the empty stats narrative came from.

4/5 - 4thDown (Led Team and top 10 in nfl)

19/25 - 3rd down (led team and Top 10 in NFL)

2/2 - 2 point conversion ( Led Team and NFL)

I know the lack of YAC gets people riled up, but I really don’t understand and why it Matters.

If Meyers catches a pass 10 yards down field with 0 Yac, why is that worse than Edelman who caught it 6 yards down field and ran for 4 more?
And if we're really going more Mcvay on offense (stretch, PA, 11P) Meyers will probably assume that Kupp role that resembles a TE in condensed spilts.

I'd be a little surprised if anyone of the WR were dealt. Bourne is 1k guy that hasn't had more than 75 targets in a year. Meyers is tough, reliable and has Mac's trust. Agholor gets shiit on but there was a lot left on the bone last year. His targets went down including deep shots I believe so it's not a surprise his #'s regressed. We just traded for Parker. Obviously Thornton isn't going anywhere.

Individually nothing special but they're an above average group.
 
This is why I think 10yd splits are very underrated. Let's look at Wilkerson's catch against Aaron Robinson.

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Wilkerson (4.50 40) had 1.45 10yd split while Robinson (4.39 40) had a 1.58 (yes, slower than Meyers) and you can see the acceleration difference right off the bat. Note that these are all pro day times.

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A few notes about Thornton:

1) The guy covering him (also Aaron Robinson) who got burnt like toast just before the Hoyer underthrow and for the TD is 5'11.4" with a 6.9 3cone (pro day). That 7.25 3cone really hurt TT there.

2) I don't know how he does it with 2 kids already at 22 (had 1st one at 16).

I still think it's funny and quite sad that Meyers had 6recs / 69yds / 2TDs in his first ever preseason game. Then it took him 3 seasons to match that 1 preseason game TD production.
 
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The new offense they have been trying to install and hasnt been working out well in practices.
There isn’t a new offense. Everything they are running has always been part of the offense. They are exploring whether they want to run some concepts more than they have in the past.
The 2022 offense does and will resemble the 2021 offense far more closely than 2021 resembled 2020 or 2020 resembled 2019. Don’t fall prey to the people trying to sell you in their agenda that they have to create a new offense because the coaches are dummies.
 
This is why I think 10yd splits are very underrated. Let's look at Wilkerson's catch against Aaron Robinson.

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Wilkerson (4.50 40) had 1.45 10yd split while Robinson (4.39 40) had a 1.58 (yes, slower than Meyers) and you can see the acceleration difference right off the bat. Note that these are all pro day times.

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A few notes about Thornton:

1) The guy covering him (also Aaron Robinson) who got burnt like toast just before the Hoyer underthrow and for the TD is 5'11.4" with a 6.9 3cone (pro day). That 7.25 3cone really hurt TT there.

2) I don't know how he does it with 2 kids already at 22 (had 1st one at 16).

I still think it's funny and quite sad that Meyers had 6recs / 69yds / 2TDs in his first ever preseason game. Then it took him 3 seasons to match that 1 preseason game TD production.
I think the 40 is almost old news. It was a good piece of info but with live game speed measures taking over its become less important. And yea 10 yards > 40. Everyone is fast but can you make someone miss and accelerate. That's so much a part of today's game.
 
Mac Intentionally seeks him out in “gotta have it” moments. Not sure where the empty stats narrative came from.
I'm actually getting tired of pointing out that Meyers is mediocre. I get he's a hero for many of you. He's a good WR3 but got too many targets last year for too little impactful production. But this will be my last post dissing Meyers.

The "empty yards" comment stems from my observation of his poor DYAR and DVOA, where he was 70th and 71st respectively:


That means his completions didn't help much to win games. As an example, I calculated his TD/catch % last year from that data. He had a 1.59% TD percentage, 78th out of the 90 qualifying WR's. Despite his good size, great hands, and short area burst, he gets erased in the end zone.

Along those lines, he actually set the NFL record for starting a career with the most receptions not generating a TD. *Any* other receiver would have done better with those opportunities. He's just not a playmaker.

Bourne, on the other hand, was first in DVOA last year. I'm sure you noticed that he made lots of plays with the ball in his hands of the kind that Meyers just can't.

But look, being the 70th best receiver in the NFL means that Meyers deserves a job in the NFL as a WR3 at least. He's not terrible. My complaint is that he gets too many targets for a guy who can't do anything with the ball in his hands.
 
I think the 40 is almost old news. It was a good piece of info but with live game speed measures taking over its become less important. And yea 10 yards > 40. Everyone is fast but can you make someone miss and accelerate. That's so much a part of today's game.
Tyquan's 10 yard split in the 40 was 1.41s, which may be the fastest ever measured. So fast that I think it might be a measurement error. But he can certainly accelerate at an elite level.
 
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Perkins was invisible I guess.. so most likely foxborough flu for him or prolly gets cut and lands in PS ...

Nixon will be claimed as soon as he is released.. GB .. raiders .. bears .

Nixon could potentially be our next Edelman .. I would want them to offer him an extension and if not possible to play, get him on foxborough flu and stash him on PUP till we swing a trade for Meyers /agholor.

I am not convinced Parker will last the Season. So better to have Meyers as he is durable.

Trade agholor and Wynn and with cap savings get a better OT if available in market .

We need to get tyquan the reps..

Jennings was real good yesterday.
Joejuan is cut, myles Bryant , Elliott , Humphrey, K Harris, Carl davis would be released and signed into PS if unclaimed. Sam roberts is on foxborough flu this season.

Making these sorts of decisions after one preseason game makes ZERO sense.

As already mentioned, you don't understand the PUP at all. Once a player has practiced, they can't be put on the PUP. If IRed as part of the cutdown to 53, it's IR for the year. Only AFTER cutdown to 53, can players go in Recallable IR.

Meyers and Parker play different positions.
The BEST OT on the market just signed with the Jets.

Why would you release Kevin Harris after ONE preseason game?
Saying to put players on the "Foxborough Flu" IR is ridiculous. Especially if they aren't injured.

How about we wait until Game 2 is done before making any decisions? I mean.. is that really too much to ask?
 


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