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[farn]

LOL, Parker is not WR#4 on the depth chart...

More like

1. Parker
2. Bourne
3. Agholar
4. Meyers
5. Thornton
6. Nixon
7. Slater

I can see Thornton jumping up to #3 at some point this season, especially if Agholar is traded

Honestly I can see Thornton jumping to #1. Not saying ‘I think he will’ but despite the apparent depth, none of the top WRs - including Parker - strikes me as the second coming of Randy Moss.

 

[Sicilian]

My quick observations:

1) I think Patricia calling the offense while Hoyer in there means he's going to be the primary playcaller week 1. It makes sense that Judge, as the QB coach, took over once the developmental QB got in the game.

2) The game had the usual amount of first-game sloppiness. Lot of holding calls, missed tackles, etc. Nothing to be concerned over, this is the first time these teams are really tackling in 6 months.

3) Thornton looks the part so far. Mac hopefully leads him a little further on that first throw, but you can see the sudden speed he has, and it was nice to see him muscle that frame through the back of the end zone for the TD.

4) Wilson and Jennings looked disruptive and fast. Uche had flashes but might still be only a 3rd down specialist if he can't get some run contain stuff straightened out. I thought McMillan looked pretty fast too, but only noticed him a few times (will have to look at the snap counts to see if he only played a few).

5) Herron had a rough day. False starts and then an injury. Hopefully Cajuste is okay, as he's the better option at backup T right now.

6) Bailey Zappe is an agent of PURE F'ING CHAOS. Dude was chucking it, for better or worse. Kid seemed to have some fun, but there's a lot of refinement that needs to happen before I'm ready to say he's ahead of Hoyer on the depth chart for 2022.

7) As nice as the deep catches by Nixon looked (good body control, awareness, athleticism), the ones I really WANT him to make are those 4 yard outs to convert on 3rd and short, which he dropped. Hopefully he can shore that up, because he's clearly got the goods to thrive athletically in the slot, but you have to know he's going to make that catch.

8) I don't see anyone legitimately arguing otherwise, but I was fine with them letting the Giants run the clock down at the end. They had just lost three OL in one quarter basically. No need to send the offense back on the field for any more. Plus they left on a high note on that side of the ball, so let them build off of that.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Honestly I can see Thornton jumping to #1. Not saying ‘I think he will’ but despite the apparent depth, none of the top WRs - including Parker - strikes me as the second coming of Randy Moss.

The Pats don't have any great WRs just a lot of very good ones...so yeah, if Thornton impresses, he can move up to #1.

 

[jah]

Henry Anderson started last night. Tough to get a read on him. He has been pretty quiet during camp and also quiet last night. I don't know what to make of him. Perhaps we should go with Ray and/or Roberts.

He seems like one of those veterans who starts camp with the 1s but doesn't make it through final cuts, like Markus Kuhn a few years ago.

 

[n6249c]

Do you think Nixon and or Wilkerson make the practice squad without getting claimed before?

No. Too many teams need WRs and they’re showing enough already. They’ll be among the better receivers on the market if cut.

I’d like to see more before deciding for sure but atm I’m feeling we would be okay with Parker - Bourne - TT as the top three and Wilk and Nixon behind them, if a strong trade market materializes for Agholor and / or Meyers.

one drawback is having both Wilkerson and Nixon on one year contracts. Sit down and talk extensions with each of them during the latter part of camp. Maybe even sooner. Offer them three to four years at a decent journeyman NFL WR salary. I think that would be a good deal for both sides. Lock in the back end of the WR corps at a reasonable price.

Would Humphrey have to clear waivers or does he have vet status to choose his destiny? Might be a PS candidate if he wouldn’t get claimed.

 

[n6249c]

The Pats don't have any great WRs just a lot of very good ones...so yeah, if Thornton impresses, he can move up to #1.

Thornton is already impressing. He just needs to keep on keeping on at what’s he showing already. He’s showing that he’s special.

that said, I think both Bourne and Parker are good enough to be WR1 as well, and to get the D attention that goes with that status.

having them all on the field together will make them all better. And they’re all very good to start.

 

[ivanvamp]

If either Nixon or Wilkerson need to get cut by the Pats, and other teams are desperate for WRs, it's likely the Pats can swing minor trades and at least get a 7th rounder or something like that in return, rather than just cutting them.

 

[n6249c]

If either Nixon or Wilkerson need to get cut by the Pats, and other teams are desperate for WRs, it's likely the Pats can swing minor trades and at least get a 7th rounder or something like that in return, rather than just cutting them.

I’d rather see them trade Agholor. They can get a lot more for him.

 

[WinstonSmith]

Although his play was uneven McGrone seemed to move very well. He looks like a guy that needs more practice/reps but who could round into a productive player later this season, if they can find a spot for him.

 

[Triumph]

LOL, Parker is not WR#4 on the depth chart...

More like

1. Parker
2. Bourne
3. Agholar
4. Meyers
5. Thornton
6. Nixon
7. Slater

I can see Thornton jumping up to #3 at some point this season, especially if Agholar is traded

Hey Mac and cheese

I listed the WRs in terms of experience and looks from your boyfriend Mac Jones last season.

1 Meyers 126 targets longest tenured NE WR
2 Bourne 70 targets
3 Agholor 64 targets
4 Parker 0 targets
5 {R} Thornton
6 tbd

 

[Toofy]

Perkins was invisible I guess.. so most likely foxborough flu for him or prolly gets cut and lands in PS ...

Nixon will be claimed as soon as he is released.. GB .. raiders .. bears .

Nixon could potentially be our next Edelman .. I would want them to offer him an extension and if not possible to play, get him on foxborough flu and stash him on PUP till we swing a trade for Meyers /agholor.

I am not convinced Parker will last the Season. So better to have Meyers as he is durable.

Trade agholor and Wynn and with cap savings get a better OT if available in market .

We need to get tyquan the reps..

Jennings was real good yesterday.
Joejuan is cut, myles Bryant , Elliott , Humphrey, K Harris, Carl davis would be released and signed into PS if unclaimed. Sam roberts is on foxborough flu this season.

 

[jah]

I’d rather see them trade Agholor. They can get a lot more for him.

I'm not so sure about that. The only way we get significant trade value for Agholor is if the Patriots keep his salary. He might be even less of a trade asset than one of our back of the roster WR if he comes with that contract.

I think they'll just keep Agholor for the year and hope he gets more opportunities this time around. He wasn't bad last year, just misused/underutilized. Plus, he got held out last night with the other presumptive starters (although that could also be interpreted as keeping him healthy for a trade).

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Hey Mac and cheese

I listed the WRs in terms of experience and looks from your boyfriend Mac Jones last season.

1 Meyers 126 targets longest tenured NE WR
2 Bourne 70 targets
3 Agholor 64 targets
4 Parker 0 targets
5 {R} Thornton
6 tbd

What an ingenius way to list WRs...why didn't I think of that. The fact that Parker got 0 receptions from Mac last season automatically makes him the number 4 guy on our depth chart. Makes sense.

 

[ashley]

A good read by Barth, his 6 takeaways and positional competition:

 

[Bill Lee]

This position is going to be very interesting in the next few weeks to see how it plays out:

Time to call Chicago and see who they will take?

Carry fewer TEs so we can carry more WR?

 

[Zuma]

QB - I thought Zappe looked ok once he got comfortable. He can make things happen when plays break down. His sidearm throws are fun to watch but they can get batted down easily especially due to his height. I hope that's not a common occurrence...sidearms. Hoyer is Hoyer....but he did look and sound very much like a coach in his presser.

OL - Russey played 48 snaps at C and hiked the ball well...not one mistake. He didn't fire it back there or miss the QB...just a nice smooth hike. I have no idea about his blocking yet. Cujuste and Herron getting hurt is a concern (no knee braces tonight...unlike practices). With Brown and Wynn having numerous ouchies in the past...I think it's even more of a reason to carry 10 OL on the 53. And also switching back and forth between Gap and Zone...some might be better at one and not the other.

RB - It was mentioned in the GDT that K. Harris looks average. I kinda agree with that. Doesn't seem fast, powerful or elusive. I think he may be coming down the the Foxboro Flu. Strong on the other hand was better with 25 yards on a 4.2 average. He also had a catch but I read he needs to work on his pass-blocking.

WR - Nixon and Wilkerson played well. I'm still leaning toward Nixon of the 2 but that could change in the next few weeks. Humphrey's looked good as well. I'd like to see him on the 53 but that will be tough with the competition. Man Thornton is skinny...but he's strong...so maybe it won't be an issue. At this time I don't see him beating out the top 4 of Parker, Bourne, Meyers and Agholor but that could change within the next few weeks...or if one of them are traded.

DL - I had Roberts not making the 53 but last night may have changed my mind...he played well. Carl Davis played well also...did he come back after he was injured?

LB - McGrone was all over the place making plays along with Langi but I'm not sure Langi will make the 53 (most likely PS if possible). Wilson looked good as well...very fast. I don't remember seeing much of McMillian or Jennings. Uche played 23 snaps and was active...he still might only be a 3rd down guy though...we shall see.

DB - Elliot who? Guy was making plays all over the place. I don't know how he is going to crack the secondary but we might have to look into that if this keeps up. I thought Jack Jones played well and should be in the mix as a starter along with Mills, Jo.Jones, Mitchell and M. Jones. Wade played ok but need to see more...same with Butler. JoeJuan...he made some good plays and some bad. Bledsoe played a lot of snaps and made some plays.

ST - I'm not a big fan of Bryant the CB but he looked great at PR....which is M. Jones job to lose right now. Not sure what is going to happen with Schooler either but he made a ST tackle....reminds me a little of Larry Izzo. Vizcaino was good and Julian had a great punt inside the 10 I believe.

 

[Toofy]

Thiey should move from the 53 person roster to 60 person. I think this will benefit the owners as well. With better depth overpaying of starters will reduce. Wide receiver salaries could reset and injury impact on season could be minimized. Also gives an incentive for teams to work on building the next level of players and reducing dependencies.

 

[Family]

I'm not so sure about that. The only way we get significant trade value for Agholor is if the Patriots keep his salary. He might be even less of a trade asset than one of our back of the roster WR if he comes with that contract.

I think they'll just keep Agholor for the year and hope he gets more opportunities this time around. He wasn't bad last year, just misused/underutilized. Plus, he got held out last night with the other presumptive starters (although that could also be interpreted as keeping him healthy for a trade).

His cap hit is only 9 million in a trade.

I think that's a tradable.

 

[JMC00]

Nice to see some LBs that are quick enough to get to the area of a pass that's thrown longer than 10 yards

 

[Mike the Brit]

I hated the refereeing, the "roughing the passer" call on Wieland especially. What the heck else is he supposed to do?