NFL News OT: Dolphins Owner Steven Ross Suspended, Picks Forfeited, For Tampering With Brady, Payton

[RobertWeathers]

No, lets be clear about this, he wanted to stay, asked for it. The financials didnt work? Can you explain that to me? How they couldnt afford their best player for a handful of years?

I just stated the timeline as I see it.

Do you know what he wanted? Do you know what they team could do?

I'm not posting what their cap space and spend was from 2016-2019. I suggest you look at Miguel's cap tables for those years.

 

[venecol]

Theres reporting that he asked for extensions after 2017 and 2018, in which they denied. Why would you deny that if you wanted him? You understand this right? Seems like you just jump to a random point in time. Even til the second that he left, they never put an offer in front of him matching what he got on the market

The last offer was to take a haircut. Lol

 

[Guts]

I highly recommend some folks start using the feature @Ian recently implemented where you can ignore other posters for a specific thread - or you should just straight-up ignore those other posters - because this back-and-forth flame war between 4 or 5 specific people is tiresome. If you don't then we'll probably just start removing folks from the thread. This thread should only be a minor sh*tshow, not a total dumpster fire!

I'm surprised you didn't see this coming lol

 

[All3Phases]

I just stated the timeline as I see it.

Do you know what he wanted? Do you know what they team could do?

I'm not posting what their cap space and spend was from 2016-2019. I suggest you look at Miguel's cap tables for those years.

He wanted what he signed for, 2/50? That's breaking the bank? That is still a bargain. The team could do anything, they chose not to do anything passed lowballing. You using Cap space as a reason they couldnt pay their best player at the most important position is where you go haywire. I can link you posts that show they had 0 trouble at all.

 

[Bill Lee]

No, lets be clear about this, he wanted to stay, asked for it. The financials didnt work? Can you explain that to me? How they couldnt afford their best player for a handful of years?

You just wrote it's all about negotiations. Tom wanted to stay, but he had his own terms and conditions too. We can presume by the Tampa deal that two years and $50M would have gotten it done, although he may have wanted more due to "past service". Since it didn't happen, we can assume NE/BB decided that deal wasn't in the best interest of the team.

 

[sb1]

Bill Belichick on Tom Brady/Dolphins tampering: Just focused on training camp

The NFL stripped the Dolphins of a pair of draft picks and issued other penalties to team owner Stephen Ross on Tuesday for tampering violations involving Tom Brady and Sean Payton in recent years.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Why does the media even bother asking Bill anything. Just write the story and fill in those quotes from BB cause you know by now what answers you're going to get.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Cool story. Guess what? Brady have this franchise 20 years of busting his ass, prepping his body, meticulous study, time away from his family. We sat in a couch or a stadium for a few hours on Sunday and might have looked up some stats online in our house. Let’s not compare what Brady have the Patriots vs what the fans gave him. He doesn’t owe ****. No player in the NFL owes any fan a goddamn thing. It’s a job and they bust their ass and break their bodies in ways that will effect them the rest of their lives. When Brady did that here it resulted in the best run this team will ever have and the best run any team in this league had.

you’re acting like his fanbase did nothing for him or any other player…

 

[venecol]

No. Let me be clear.

I'm sure he wanted to stay in 2017. The financials didn't work for NE and they wanted to go year to year with him. Tom didn't like that and that's fine.

In Aug of 2019 he wanted to leave and Bill knew it

Only because yet again he wanted a multi-year contract and was again denied, after winning another SB. Then yes, he was out. Had enough. Brady was betting on Brady. Bill was betting on Stidham.

 

[All3Phases]

You just wrote it's all about negotiations. Tom wanted to stay, but he had his own terms and conditions too. We can presume by the Tampa deal that two years and $50M would have gotten it done, although he may have wanted more due to "past service". Since it didn't happen, we can assume NE/BB decided that deal wasn't in the best interest of the team.

We know 2/50 was his market. He stated he wanted multi year deals. Its not hard to figure out. He wanted to stay, and the team didnt want to pay him guaranteed money over multiple years. Them offering him 1 year deals is saying we are ok if you accept it but dont really care if you leave.

 

[Guts]

You just wrote it's all about negotiations. Tom wanted to stay, but he had his own terms and conditions too. We can presume by the Tampa deal that two years and $50M would have gotten it done, although he may have wanted more due to "past service". Since it didn't happen, we can assume NE/BB decided that deal wasn't in the best interest of the team.

I don't blame either side honestly. What Brady is doing has never happened before..BB felt he couldn't commit long term to Tom due to his age and TB didn't feel like being here anymore which is cool too. He is the longest tenured Patriot of all time so I think he deserved to do whatever he wanted. He doesn't owe us ****

 

[sb1]

Fins forums crying that they got hit harder than the Patriots did for spygate lol.

 

[venecol]

I hate to tell you, buddy, we are fans here, and this fanbase gave Brady 20 years of loyalty. There are certain things you don't do to your fanbase. One is to seek employment with a rival team while you are still employed by said team. That is, unless you don't care about your fanbase...

Umm, I believe you're the only incel on the forum.

 

[bresna]

Not true. However, considering the rubbish (contracts) they were putting in front of Brady for multiple years I'm surprised he wasn't fielding calls sooner.

Really? This again? Look at Brady's contract history with the Patriots before spouting this stuff. He was the highest paid QB in the league for one year.

And FWIW, the last Patriots contract paid him an average of $23 Million/year. That wasn't rubbish.

 

[Bill Lee]

He wanted what he signed for, 2/50? That's breaking the bank? That is still a bargain. The team could do anything, they chose not to do anything passed lowballing. You using Cap space as a reason they couldnt pay their best player at the most important position is where you go haywire. I can link you posts that show they had 0 trouble at all.

You're not considering the totality of the situation. It wasn't just about paying one player.

We know 2/50 was his market. He stated he wanted multi year deals. Its not hard to figure out. He wanted to stay, and the team didnt want to pay him guaranteed money over multiple years. Them offering him 1 year deals is saying we are ok if you accept it but dont really care if you leave.

Fine. Say we gave him 2/50 two years ago, where are we now? My guess is Tom just retired and is now working for Fox, and we just had to try to get a QB in a poor draft class for QBs with a poor draft position, and have the same kind of cap situation as Tampa is facing once Tom retires. Wonderful.

 

[RobertWeathers]

He wanted what he signed for, 2/50? That's breaking the bank? That is still a bargain. The team could do anything, they chose not to do anything passed lowballing. You using Cap space as a reason they couldnt pay their best player at the most important position is where you go haywire. I can link you posts that show they had 0 trouble at all.

There is a nuance to the topic of cap space you are missing.

There is a difference between having cap space/paying players and managing the cap for roster and strategic planning purposes.

If you want to say they had the financial means to sign Tom to a Drew Brees deal or 2y/50m deal fine.

It's obvious the NEP saw the need to rebuild after 2019 and wanted as much financial flexibility as possible which means limiting the amount of dead cap space for a 43 y/o QB who didn't want to be here nor did the the want him to be here.

I know you disagree with everything I said so let's move on.

 

[venecol]

Without fans, there would be no league. I would say that the players owe the fans everything. Without people watching and cheering there would be no professional sports.

You've got that backwards. The owners owe the fans everything since they own the business and benefit greatly from the fans. The players are just employees of the business.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Only because yet again he wanted a multi-year contract and was again denied, after winning another SB. Then yes, he was out. Had enough. Brady was betting on Brady.

Yes

Bill was betting on Stidham.

No. If it was a bet it was a scratch ticket

 

[lancerman]

Without fans, there would be no league. I would say that the players owe the fans everything. Without people watching and cheering there would be no professional sports.

In a sense that every business needs customers. That’s like say Microsoft engineers owe computer nerds to be loyal and not look at jobs at Apple when their contracted projects are coming to a close.

The contract was he did a service for the team that contributed to a product that fans consume in exchange for the terms of his contract. He did that. When his contract was ending he looked for new jobs for himself and where his family would be living.

It’s just even more egregious in this case because he wanted to stay here and gave the Patriots the chance to lock him up longterm. They did not commit to him. That’s where this started. He was going to be unemployed in less than a year. He talked to other people about new jobs. Like anyone in that situation would.

Like I said, the Bucs who actually have him under contract that he tried to subvert to get out of have a far more egregious claim of some sort of betrayal

 

[venecol]

You just wrote it's all about negotiations. Tom wanted to stay, but he had his own terms and conditions too. We can presume by the Tampa deal that two years and $50M would have gotten it done, although he may have wanted more due to "past service". Since it didn't happen, we can assume NE/BB decided that deal wasn't in the best interest of the team.

Except Kraft said he would've matched it. They low balled him and he said enough of this sh_t.

 

[All3Phases]

You're not considering the totality of the situation. It wasn't just about paying one player.

Fine. Say we gave him 2/50 two years ago, where are we now? My guess is Tom just retired and is now working for Fox, and we just had to try to get a QB in a poor draft class for QBs with a poor draft position, and have the same kind of cap situation as Tampa is facing once Tom retires. Wonderful.

You can say they made the right choice, all im saying is they made a choice....They didnt want him. Btw he signed with TB in 2020 for 2/50 and is now still playing for them at an MVP level. So its not like the negotiating ends once the contract is signed