OT: Dolphins Owner Steven Ross Suspended, Picks Forfeited, For Tampering With Brady, Payton

[All3Phases]

No he left because the Dolphins got in his head and turned him against the organization.
The timeline of the tampering and Brady’s drastic change in actions and demeanor are congruent.
This is the reason tampering is not allowed. In this case it actually affected play on the field.

Yet he didnt sign with the team that was talking to him

 

[venecol]

Quarterbacks have all leverage in deals with teams. Teams pay the quarterbacks what they want, theres a reason they never hit FA. Great ones at least. Offering an MVP quarterback year to year deals is lowballing, and they continued to do it for multiple years. What he wanted was a massive steal. The patriots didnt want to sign him, its simple. He asked and they denied.

 

[All3Phases]

They wanted to sign him. That is no debatable.

Not for multi years, its been reported and youre avoiding that detail.

 

[venecol]

No he left because the Dolphins got in his head and turned him against the organization.

Hahaha. Wow. Nice troll job.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

No he left because the Dolphins got in his head and turned him against the organization.
The timeline of the tampering and Brady’s drastic change in actions and demeanor are congruent.
This is the reason tampering is not allowed. In this case it actually affected play on the field.

You need to stop drinking that early

 

[RobertWeathers]

Belichick would have retained Brady until he couldn’t stand up any more if not for the fact that he has an entire organization to run and had to account for the likelihood that age would catch up to Brady like everyone else.
Belichick never didn’t want Brady, but he had to consider the ramifications of a long term deal to a guy who was past the age ANYONE had ever been able to play the position at.
The compromise was the same thing the Saints did with Brees and Brady was offended. Hindsight isn’t available to know where a 43 year old will be in 3 years, nor is precedent.
Ultimately given the way the team performed with him in the second half of 2019, and the cap position staying on top has put them in, him leaving ended up best for Patriots. They could not have rebuilt and put a strong team together this quickly if they also paid Brady 75-90 million over those 3 years.
2020 would have been a substantial step back from 2019; it had to be because they couldn’t afford to keep their own or sign anyone new of note even without Brady, and 75% of the Free Agent influx in the rebuild of 2021 was paid for with the money they didn’t pay Brady in 20 and 21. They could have added a couple guys last year but only a small fraction of what they did (40% of the snaps on both sides of the ball were played by additions last year). So they would have suffered through 2 mediocre seasons and not be starting a rebuild around a 45 year old QB.

I remain unconvinced BB wanted him. His energy and commitment to the team was less.

It's more likely BB, Bob provided lip service in terms of wanting Tom to stay.

 

[All3Phases]

Hahaha. Wow. Nice troll job.

Love how people just ignore what actually happens. Rodgers hates the Packers with all of his passion, they traded his best receiver...They put money in his face and he signed. All of a sudden, Brady talking to his friend turned him against the Patriots? hahahaha

 

[All3Phases]

I remain unconvinced BB wanted him. His energy and commitment to the team was less.

It's more likely BB, Bob provided lip service in terms of wanting Tom to stay.

Usually when your quarterback wants to stay, but you deny giving him contracts, you dont want him

 

[RobertWeathers]

Usually when your quarterback wants to stay, but you deny giving him contracts, you dont want him

Exactly. Tom didn't want to be here and Bill knew it.

 

[venecol]

Let me know when Belichick has ongoing conversations with other teams over a period of multiple months, conversations that are detailed and specific, conversations that occur during and throughout the course of an ongoing season. And let me know when the league releases a report detailing all of this.

So, you're under the impression that unless the NFL issues reports these things don't happen? May I remind you the only reason there was an investigation was because of the Flores lawsuit. This happens all the time, we just don't hear about it.

 

[Froob]

They wanted to sign him. That is no debatable.
Of course they weee red reluctant to sign a 43 year old to a long term contract, they aren’t idiots.
In hindsight it’s good that they didn’t.

How lol? Tom has been one of the best QBs in the league since.

 

[Ross12]

I highly recommend some folks start using the feature @Ian recently implemented where you can ignore other posters for a specific thread - or you should just straight-up ignore those other posters - because this back-and-forth flame war between 4 or 5 specific people is tiresome. If you don't then we'll probably just start removing folks from the thread. This thread should only be a minor sh*tshow, not a total dumpster fire!

 

[SHOWTIME15]

How lol? Tom has been one of the best QBs in the league since.

Brady is clearly being propped up by his weapons in Tampa, which NE didn’t have…if he stayed here it would be more of 2019

 

[All3Phases]

Exactly. Tom didn't want to be here and Bill knew it.

What?

 

[venecol]

Yep but we knew he felt unappreciated and unhappy with his contract

Yup, that was clear in August 2019 when he said in response to ? about his contract: it is what it is & I'm just a player here. He felt disrespected. I don't blame him.

 

[BobDigital]

Don't like the dolphins. But frankly, this is BS. Everyone tampers. This should be a slap on the wrist. A 1st, 3rd and suspension is way over kill. Of course our stuff should have been small potatoes too. The NFL is just stupid about these things.

The only thing i think should cost a team draft picks is when you go beyond the cap or you coach steps out on the field to get in a players way and effect a play (I'm looking at you Steelers!). Stuff like that.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yup, that was clear in August 2019 when he said in response to ? about his contract: it is what it is & I'm just a player here. He felt disrespected. I don't blame him.

Plus the sessions with Jim Gray back in 2017 and the Tom vs Time episodes were telling.

 

[RobertWeathers]

What?

What is your question?

 

[All3Phases]

What is your question?

How did you come up with your response from what I said? Brady asked for extensions and hes the one that didnt want to be here?

 

[Froob]

Brady is clearly being propped up by his weapons in Tampa, which NE didn’t have…if he stayed here it would be more of 2019

I think there's an argument to be made we were better off restarting but, I don't think it's a no brainer. I mean if Tom hung around til we got cap space in 2021, we'd have been great.