Wide Receivers depth chart

[PatsFanInVa]

On the one hand, kind of nice to not have Julian's number out there yet. On another, seeing a bigger bodied outside WR wearing #1 might take me a while to process the PTSD.

Kind of nice that the whole reson we're at this point comparing receivers is that Mac was able to seize the position in his rookie preseason. If he weren't we'd be trying to figure out who was good out of a receiving and TE corps reeling in a total of a couple thousand yards and 9 passing TD. Cam, we hardly knew ye.

 

[jah]

On the one hand, kind of nice to not have Julian's number out there yet. On another, seeing a bigger bodied outside WR wearing #1 might take me a while to process the PTSD.

Everyone keeps rushing to get #1 and yet it keeps becoming available after not too long.

 

[Wozzy]

yes, and we here certainly know that measurables are more important than production ROFL

Yeah... it's funny how nobody said that, or even implied it.

Especially since we're talking about complete unknowns like Thornton, Nixon, Strong and others.

Measurables set the ceiling. If a receiver can understand the intricacies of route running and the offense they're playing in, then athleticism sets the bar.

It's not coincidence the Tyreek Hill's, Randy Moss's, Barry Sanders and Deion Sanders of the world all ran sub 4.3 forties and were explosive in every athletic measurable they were tested.

Newsflash...being really f-ing fast, bigger, stronger, more agile and explosive is a good thing. Science matters...

 

[Zuma]

I'm not cool with Parker wearing the dreaded #1. I'm hoping for different results.

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Ty Montgomery was signed also. Montgomery is meh.. I see him amongst the first cuts unless there is an injury at RB amongst Harris, Stevenson, Strong, and K.Harris

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[SHOWTIME15]

I'm not cool with Parker wearing the dreaded #1. I'm hoping for different results.

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Ty Montgomery was signed also. Montgomery is meh.. I see him amongst the first cuts unless there is an injury at RB amongst Harris, Stevenson, Strong, and K.Harris

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Can't think of a single player non-QB in NFL history that wore number 1 and was good...

 

[Sicilian]

Can't think of a single player non-QB in NFL history that wore number 1 and was good...

To be fair, up until recently only QB's and kickers were allowed to wear #1, so there hasn't been a lot of time for a great one to emerge (in the pros).

 

[DaBruinz]

How they're stacked right now...

BIG
Devante Parker
Kendrick Bourne

FAST
Nelson Agholor
Tre Nixon
Tyquan Thornton

SLOT
Jakobi Meyers
Kristian Wilkerson
Jake Parker

Choose five?

Who is Jake Parker?

Bourne is 6'1-190
Parker is 6'2-198


Lil'Jordan Humphrey is 6'4-225 (tallest/heaviest)
Ty Montgomery is listed at WR for the Pats. 6'/216
Malcom Perry is no longer listed as a RB but as a WR for the Pats. He's the shorted "receiver" the Pats have at 5'10.

 

[DaBruinz]

Wilkerson earned playing time at the end of last season by improving his hands presumably, but also showing up as a gunner in kick coverage. He has already earned reps if his level of play stays the same or improves.

Nixon is in year two. I don’t think much or anything of OTA superlatives but if he looks as good with pads on as he did in shorts and tees then there is a conversation to be had.

Parker is going to start from day one if healthy, he is a known commodity at this point, I don’t know why he’s part of this conversation.

Thornton is the longshot as a rookie, but we listen so much to the negative types that we start to believe the Pats ability to find a talented WR is one in a million. I like the look of Thornton, he’s tall long explosive and stupid fast.

While Wilkerson showed initiative by learning the Gunner position, I think that they have other players ahead of him there.

I have Wilkerson going back to the PS. I don't see him beating out Meyers, Nixon, or Thornton.

We addressed on WR needy team in sending Harry to Chicago. There are still WR needy teams out there.

Dallas could be looking for a WR if they suffer an injury.. They are really thin after losing Cooper and Wilson.

Green Bay could be looking for a Vet WR. Otherwise they could have 3 rookies in their top 5..

Tennessee could be looking for a Vet WR. Woods is coming off an injury. I could see them looking at Meyers for the slot.

The Raiders could look for WR help if Keelan Cole doesn't work out.

The Cardinals could be looking for WR help. While the addition of Brown will help them out, the loss of Hopkins for 6 games is Huge. And there is no telling when the wheels will fall off for AJ Green. Losing Kirk, who played primarily out of the slot, is a big loss for them, though Rondale Moore could finally be ready to take the next step to being an every down WR. An injury Moore or Brown or Green losing it will really hurt their depth.

 

[Wozzy]

Who is Jake Parker?

Bourne is 6'1-190
Parker is 6'2-198


Lil'Jordan Humphrey is 6'4-225 (tallest/heaviest)
Ty Montgomery is listed at WR for the Pats. 6'/216
Malcom Perry is no longer listed as a RB but as a WR for the Pats. He's the shorted "receiver" the Pats have at 5'10.

He was a guy they brought in for a workout but never signed, that was supposed to read Malcolm Perry. I think Perry has great agility, he's behind Meyers and Wilkerson in the slot IMO.

 

[Wozzy]

While Wilkerson showed initiative by learning the Gunner position, I think that they have other players ahead of him there.

I have Wilkerson going back to the PS. I don't see him beating out Meyers, Nixon, or Thornton.

I don't see Wilkerson in competition or the same position as Nixon or Thornton.

We addressed on WR needy team in sending Harry to Chicago. There are still WR needy teams out there.

Dallas could be looking for a WR if they suffer an injury.. They are really thin after losing Cooper and Wilson.

Green Bay could be looking for a Vet WR. Otherwise they could have 3 rookies in their top 5..

Tennessee could be looking for a Vet WR. Woods is coming off an injury. I could see them looking at Meyers for the slot.

The Raiders could look for WR help if Keelan Cole doesn't work out.

The Cardinals could be looking for WR help. While the addition of Brown will help them out, the loss of Hopkins for 6 games is Huge. And there is no telling when the wheels will fall off for AJ Green. Losing Kirk, who played primarily out of the slot, is a big loss for them, though Rondale Moore could finally be ready to take the next step to being an every down WR. An injury Moore or Brown or Green losing it will really hurt their depth.

I agree the rest of what you wrote. There will be many WR needy teams after final camp cuts are made. But IMO Agholor is in competition with Nixon and Thornton in no order. Meyers is facing competition from Wilkerson and Perry. There's a tool for every job. We need size, speed and fast in a phone booth.

 

[DaBruinz]

That's only for a few days before each game - they can be protected from Tuesday afternoon on.

Here are other changes:



What I don't know is if you can guarantee say Hoyer's salary and put him on the Practice Squad for three games (the max you can elevate a player for).

If you guarantee his salary at the start of the year, then it get's paid regardless.
If you put him on the PS, he get's ADDITIONAL money and then the pro-rated vet minimum.
What would likely happen is the Pats to guarantee the part of the contract and with the rest being based on his PS time and the 3 elevations.

 

[DaBruinz]

I don't see Wilkerson in competition or the same position as Nixon or Thornton.

I agree the rest of what you wrote. There will be many WR needy teams after final camp cuts are made. But IMO Agholor is in competition with Nixon and Thornton in no order. Meyers is facing competition from Wilkerson and Perry. There's a tool for every job. We need size, speed and fast in a phone booth.

Since Bourne can play the slot, that's likely where he'd move to when Thornton comes onto the field. Which is why I mentioned Thornton and Nixon being in competition to make the team.

Most of the mini-camp stuff had Nixon lining up from the slot.

One of the things that the Pats have always wanted their receivers to do is learn all the receiver positions. So they would know what others were likely going to do so that they wouldn't end up in the same area on the field running their routes.

The top 5 are all but set in Bourne, Agholor, Thornton, Parker and Meyers. There are 2 ways that one of Perry, Humphrey, Montgomery, Nixon, or Wilkerson are making the 53. If there is an injury to one of the top 5 or there is a trade because they shined so well that their contract made them expendable.

 

[Wozzy]

Since Bourne can play the slot, that's likely where he'd move to when Thornton comes onto the field. Which is why I mentioned Thornton and Nixon being in competition to make the team.

Most of the mini-camp stuff had Nixon lining up from the slot.

One of the things that the Pats have always wanted their receivers to do is learn all the receiver positions. So they would know what others were likely going to do so that they wouldn't end up in the same area on the field running their routes.

The top 5 are all but set in Bourne, Agholor, Thornton, Parker and Meyers. There are 2 ways that one of Perry, Humphrey, Montgomery, Nixon, or Wilkerson are making the 53. If there is an injury to one of the top 5 or there is a trade because they shined so well that their contract made them expendable.

Assuming health and that the young players (Thornton, Nixon, Wilkerson) develop, a trade is the only possibility I see.

Agholor and Meyers seem most likely given they’re in the final year of their deals. But nothing is a sure thing where young players are concerned, so I agree the depth chart is what it is until a trade or injury happens.

 

[VJCPatriot]

If our depth chart ends up Parker WR1, Thornton WR2, Bourne WR3, then we'll know that the plan worked, Parker stayed healthy, and Thornton panned out. On the other hand if those guys are not at the top of the depth chart at the end of the season, it's not gonna be pretty. Because it would likely mean that Parker got hurt, Thornton was a bust, and we had to run out a slot WR as our top wideout. OOF. Let's just knock on wood and hope it pans out as expected.

I expect Mac Jones to progress yet again this season, but he's going to need live human beings to throw the ball to, not the guys we picked up on the playground from Dorchester. I mean Brady had to endure a few seasons of that, but I don't think it's fair to expect Mac Jones to survive off scraps in his 2nd year in the NFL, no official OC, and Joe Judge, aka mastermind of 31st ranked Giants offense for 2 years running, as his QB coach.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Can't think of a single player non-QB in NFL history that wore number 1 and was good...

I'm not worried about Paker's jersey number. I'm worried about his health. He has been very productive when he can stay on the football field.

 

[mgteich]

If our depth chart ends up Parker WR1, Thornton WR2, Bourne WR3, then we'll know that the plan worked, Parker stayed healthy, and Thornton panned out. On the other hand if those guys are not at the top of the depth chart at the end of the season, it's not gonna be pretty. Because it would likely mean that Parker got hurt, Thornton was a bust, and we had to run out a slot WR as our top wideout. OOF. Let's just knock on wood and hope it pans out as expected.

I expect Mac Jones to progress yet again this season, but he's going to need live human beings to throw the ball to, not the guys we picked up on the playground from Dorchester. I mean Brady had to endure a few seasons of that, but I don't think it's fair to expect Mac Jones to survive off scraps in his 2nd year in the NFL, no official OC, and Joe Judge, aka mastermind of 31st ranked Giants offense for 2 years running, as his QB coach.

So, the season is a failure if Agholor is one of our top 3 WR's?

 

[n6249c]

If our depth chart ends up Parker WR1, Thornton WR2, Bourne WR3, then we'll know that the plan worked, Parker stayed healthy, and Thornton panned out. On the other hand if those guys are not at the top of the depth chart at the end of the season, it's not gonna be pretty. Because it would likely mean that Parker got hurt, Thornton was a bust, and we had to run out a slot WR as our top wideout. OOF. Let's just knock on wood and hope it pans out as expected.

I expect Mac Jones to progress yet again this season, but he's going to need live human beings to throw the ball to, not the guys we picked up on the playground from Dorchester. I mean Brady had to endure a few seasons of that, but I don't think it's fair to expect Mac Jones to survive off scraps in his 2nd year in the NFL, no official OC, and Joe Judge, aka mastermind of 31st ranked Giants offense for 2 years running, as his QB coach.

Great job. I think you are both unreasonably optimistic and unduly pessimistic at the same time! That’s a real accomplishment!

Expecting a rookie to step in and immediately become a key contributor is really very optimistic. BB seldom if ever does things that way. Personally I think he keeps a tighter rein on them than need be, but he’s consistent and it seems to work for him. So I doubt Thornton will have the chance to be WR2 and if he isn’t it’ll be far from him being a bust.

And there are some other guys who could play themselves into the mix. Meyers already has, even though you’re overlooking him. Nixon and Wilkerson have flashed at times, might step up if given the opportunity. Key thing is who gets those opportunities. If that‘s someone other than your three binkies and they step up and earn the playing time that’s not necessarily the mess you predict.

so just chill and wait and watch to see what happens. Even Little Jordan and that guy who can’t decide if he’s WR or RB (edited: Montgomery) are both better than you give them credit for being.

 

[PatsFan2]

If our depth chart ends up Parker WR1, Thornton WR2, Bourne WR3, then we'll know that the plan worked, Parker stayed healthy, and Thornton panned out. On the other hand if those guys are not at the top of the depth chart at the end of the season, it's not gonna be pretty. Because it would likely mean that Parker got hurt, Thornton was a bust, and we had to run out a slot WR as our top wideout. OOF. Let's just knock on wood and hope it pans out as expected.

I expect Mac Jones to progress yet again this season, but he's going to need live human beings to throw the ball to, not the guys we picked up on the playground from Dorchester. I mean Brady had to endure a few seasons of that, but I don't think it's fair to expect Mac Jones to survive off scraps in his 2nd year in the NFL, no official OC, and Joe Judge, aka mastermind of 31st ranked Giants offense for 2 years running, as his QB coach.

As long as Jakobi Meyers is not 1 or 2 on the depth chart we'll be fine. I'm good with Parker - Bourne - Agholor and Thornton or Parker - Agholor -Bourne and Thornton. See in both cases Thornton is very good #4 and Meyers is an excellent #5.

 

[RobertWeathers]

As long as Jakobi Meyers is not 1 or 2 on the depth chart we'll be fine. I'm fine with Parker - Bourne - Agholor and Thornton or Parker - Agholor -Bourne and Thornton.

I'd rather have Jakobi than Agholor as we know Meyers can produce in this offense consistently.

 

[PatsFan2]

I'd rather have Jakobi than Agholor as we know Meyers can produce in this offense consistently.

He's not a better overall player than Agholor though I'll give Agholor a pass for last year. I think he plays up to his contract this year and be really consistent. Meyers nice story and all but he doesn't scare anybody with his play. That said he could be dangerous if those guys in front of him plays really well.