PFT: Matt Patricia to call plays on offense?

[SHOWTIME15]

Offensive changes a comin’

Bill Belichick: It's a good time to streamline things offensively

The Patriots' offensive transition continues to be shrouded in mystery.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

 

[All3Phases]

You only exist in the situation you are in. Success is success, failure is failure. Coulda, woulda, shoulda is not going to change that.
Patricia worked for Belichick and the results are the results. I could not care less to guess what they would have been if he worked for someone else, and that guess would be meaningless.

And I’m not taking away his success, I’m simply using the logic that was brought in the discussion and arguing why it might not be the best way to look at the situation.

 

[denverpatsfan]

Offensive changes a comin’

Bill Belichick: It's a good time to streamline things offensively

The Patriots' offensive transition continues to be shrouded in mystery.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

 

[Brotherblues]

Except he doesn’t have experience coaching the offense, and if he had any in Detroit, it obviously wasn’t very good experience

Would you agree that it is experience, at the highest level, regardless of the results?

 

[Ring 6]

And I’m not taking away his success, I’m simply using the logic that was brought in the discussion and arguing why it might not be the best way to look at the situation.

That is talking away success.
Supposition: He was mediocre
Fact: Performance was excellent
Taking away credit for success: performance was good afterward so credit should go to someone else.

 

[203Pat]

Who cares? Patricia isn't the Patriots' head coach. Until Kraft names Patricia the Patriots' head coach, I don't care what his record with the Lions. Even some of the greatest coordinators in NFL history were awful head coaches. Go look at Buddy Ryan's record was as a head coach or his son, Rex. Patricia is the the defacto OC, not the head coach.

The point is doesn't know much about offense. He had a great QB who he basically couldn't utilize at all because he isa defensive minded coach. Now he has a major drop-off at QB and no experience with play calling and we're supposed to expect that this is going to work?

What head coach has the security to even try something like this? Half the head coaches in the league if they tried this would either have a top 5-10 offense or get fired. Who do you think has the job security to do something like this? And some of the guys who do, wouldn't do it because they are offensive head coaches and have a lot of input on the play calling anyway.

Again, I am not saying it will work or it is the best solution. I am not thrilled about it, but I don't think it is going to be the disaster you think it is. But then again, I don't hate Bill Belichick and I am going to remain cautiously optimistic until if and when the experiment fails.

Honestly how much job security do you think Bill has at this point? Kraft has made it pretty clear he didn't want Brady to leave and then he made the recent comments about drafting better. If things go sideways this year how much more time do you think Bill gets? I would say he would get the 2023 season and if the team doesn't look like a contender at year end Bill might "retire".

 

[203Pat]

My response would be what are your qualifications to evaluate the fit of the coaches? It’s not madden, they are each diverse humans who have worked with belichick for many years. You seem to be telling me you are a better judge of their capabilities than he is, and therefore make the jump to since he didn’t do what you would he is losing it. Do you not see the logical fallacy there?

Ahh yes the standard "you think you know more than the coaches?!?" defense.

 

[All3Phases]

That is talking away success.
Supposition: He was mediocre
Fact: Performance was excellent
Taking away credit for success: performance was good afterward so credit should go to someone else.

I no longer know what the argument is. All my original point was, is that using defensive rankings to prove he was a great coach is not the best way to make that argument. You clearly think every coach they’ve had is a great one, so you disagree. That’s fine

 

[Ring 6]

Ahh yes the standard "you think you know more than the coaches?!?" defense.

It’s not a “defense” it’s a reality.

Are you telling me that you are better equipped to judge how a football coach will perform on a role, and specifically have a better knowledge and understanding of Matt Patricia’s abilities, knowledge, strengths and weaknesses than Bill Belichick does?
Simple question, please answer.

 

[203Pat]

It’s not a “defense” it’s a reality.

Are you telling me that you are better equipped to judge how a football coach will perform on a role, and specifically have a better knowledge and understanding of Matt Patricia’s abilities, knowledge, strengths and weaknesses than Bill Belichick does?
Simple question, please answer.

Okay Andy. Let's make sure no posts on the board ever contradict anything the coaching staff does.

 

[venecol]

Okay Andy. Let's make sure no posts on the board ever contradict anything the coaching staff does.

Right? It's not like this is Patsfans.com instead of Patsex-coaches&players.com

 

[Ring 6]

Okay Andy. Let's make sure no posts on the board ever contradict anything the coaching staff does.

That’s not the point.
The point is you said the because a decision he made, which you agree he is more qualified to make and has vastly more data to analyze than you do is one you emotionally don’t like, he is losing it. Before there is a single point of result.

 

[venecol]

I no longer know what the argument is. All my original point was, is that using defensive rankings to prove he was a great coach is not the best way to make that argument. You clearly think every coach they’ve had is a great one, so you disagree. That’s fine

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this; never go more than three rounds with Andy (aka Ring6).

You're new here, so you'll learn.

 

[Ring 6]

Right? It's not like this is Patsfans.com instead of Patsex-coaches&players.com

No it’s supposed to be adults speaking intelligently. I think you may be single handedly dooming that.

 

[Ring 6]

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this; never go more than three rounds with Andy (aka Ring6).

You're new here, so you'll learn.

As someone who loses every time he tries, you speak from experience.

 

[Rob0729]

The point is doesn't know much about offense. He had a great QB who he basically couldn't utilize at all because he isa defensive minded coach. Now he has a major drop-off at QB and no experience with play calling and we're supposed to expect that this is going to work?


Honestly how much job security do you think Bill has at this point? Kraft has made it pretty clear he didn't want Brady to leave and then he made the recent comments about drafting better. If things go sideways this year how much more time do you think Bill gets? I would say he would get the 2023 season and if the team doesn't look like a contender at year end Bill might "retire".

To say Patricia doesn't know much about the offense is bogus. The guy has been in the Patriots system other than the three years he was the Lions' head coach since 2003. He started on offensive side in his career with the Pats and was an offensive assistant at Syracuse. The guy has been here for nearly 20 years and knows little about the Patriots' offense? Do you really think Belichick would hand over the offensive play calling if he didn't know the offense. Arguably the greatest coach of all time going to hand over the offense to someone and just tell him to wing it?

It is obvious that Belichick has confidence in Patricia that he has intimate knowledge with the offense or he wouldn't be handing over the reigns of the offense to him.

I know Belichiick haters want to portray the guy as a mediocre head coach who just got lucky to have Brady and even a head coach like **** MacPherson would have had six rings if he had a QB like Brady. But that is just BS. Belichick knows what he is doing even if you or don't agree with it. Patricia may not end up being a good signal caller, but there is zero doubt he knows the offense intimately or he wouldn't even be given a chance.

And Belichick has plenty of job security. He would need several years of a losing record to be fired. And Belichick has a long history of doing things that other head coaches are afraid to do and being an innovator because of it.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Offensive changes a comin’

Bill Belichick: It's a good time to streamline things offensively

The Patriots' offensive transition continues to be shrouded in mystery.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Ready for the Tompa Gronka boys to use these quotes to start another fellatio fest about Twommy and his big brain in 3….2….1….

 

[crawhammer]

Not an exaggeration to call this disgraceful. Patricia is a bona fide goon. Someone with authority at One Patriot Place needs to start intervening with these coaching shenanigans. Bill has his halfwit son running the defense now so he's got to find another prominent role for his lapdog Patricia. Great idea let's put this loser (and the NFL's other worse head coach of the last decade Judge) in charge of our young franchise quarterback. Between the FA inactivity, bewildering draft, and these coaching personnel decisions, it's been a very discouraging offseason. Especially too in consideration of the obvious improvement of several other teams in the conference.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I no longer know what the argument is. All my original point was, is that using defensive rankings to prove he was a great coach is not the best way to make that argument. You clearly think every coach they’ve had is a great one, so you disagree. That’s fine

You'll find that "rankings" are a common theme on this board without any context. Blindly pointing to rankings is the worst, flawed and most lazy argument you'll find.

 

[All3Phases]

To say Patricia doesn't know much about the offense is bogus. The guy has been in the Patriots system other than the three years he was the Lions' head coach since 2003. He started on offensive side in his career with the Pats and was an offensive assistant at Syracuse. The guy has been here for nearly 20 years and knows little about the Patriots' offense? Do you really think Belichick would hand over the offensive play calling if he didn't know the offense. /QUOTE]

To be fair, would you call it a coincidence that they’re standardizing and altering the playbook as soon as McDaniels leaves? Who are they doing it for would be a legitimate question