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[BaconGrundleCandy]

Even if you draft one, by the time you really get him going, you pay him or lose him, as we're seeing now.

Yea you gotta pay 'em but the draft gives you a good 2-3 years of flexibility & room to add. You gotta pay though.

I get the pushback. It's the same with the QB position after watching Brady for 20 years. Same thing regarding spending. Its just a different time though. The WR position is more important than it's ever been for a few reasons. Athletes put there at a young age, sport exploding, everyone is training young with a specialist. The rules, fantasy football play a large part. Plus the game has evolved. There's options, adjustments and variations built-in every offense nowadays.

Idk I just find it interesting in terms of want, need and market price.

Would you do that deal for Brown?

21 + 85, it might take 21 + 54 and eventually an extension like 4/90 or 5/110.

Tough to swallow with our needs. Again I just think it's interesting in terms of wanting a WR1 but not wanting to pay that money in a post-Brady era.

 

[50-yard-line]

Yea you gotta pay 'em but the draft gives you a good 2-3 years of flexibility & room to add. You gotta pay though.

I get the pushback. It's the same with the QB position after watching Brady for 20 years. Same thing regarding spending. Its just a different time though. The WR position is more important than it's ever been for a few reasons. Athletes put there at a young age, sport exploding, everyone is training young with a specialist. The rules, fantasy football play a large part. Plus the game has evolved. There's options, adjustments and variations built-in every offense nowadays.

Idk I just find it interesting in terms of want, need and market price.

Would you do that deal for Brown?

21 + 85, it might take 21 + 54 and eventually an extension like 4/90 or 5/110.

Tough to swallow with our needs. Again I just think it's interesting in terms of wanting a WR1 but not wanting to pay that money in a post-Brady era.

I hear you, certainly.

I prefer Deebo to Brown, but the point is legit.

With Mac on his rookie deal, now or next year might be the time to do this, if we’re going to.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Yea you gotta pay 'em but the draft gives you a good 2-3 years of flexibility & room to add. You gotta pay though.

Tough to swallow with our needs. Again I just think it's interesting in terms of wanting a WR1 but not wanting to pay that money in a post-Brady era.

I hear you, certainly.

I prefer Deebo to Brown, but the point is legit.

Or you pay 4 or 5 guys at the mid level point instead of two top guys. Which is the better approach? Yes, you gotta pay - I hear you - and we should be pleased to pay the market rate, but how do you pay? I do not think it is as easy as paying $22M a year for a guy and saying the issue is solved. Mac is in his 2nd year, we have 4 mid level guys and I would guess a "quick slot" guy coming in the draft, so where will that take the Pats along with 2 or 3 TEs versus paying for Tyreek Hill?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I hear you, certainly.

I prefer Deebo to Brown, but the point is legit.

With Mac on his rookie deal, now or next year might be the time to do this, if we’re going to.

Agree. Either one and I'm pumped. Brown or Samuel put this group on another level when you factor in our running game and Henry.

 

[patfanken]

I almost started a thread for this but I've started a few. If someone else wants to go for it.

I keep hearing about people wanting a WR1 but not wanting to pay 20+ million per year for one when Christian Kirk just hit that number lol. The #'s / cap are rising and will continue to go up in the near future. Business is good in the league despite it being a "dying sport" ... anyway times have changed.

Who would you pay WR1 money to???

Would you trade 21 + 85 for AJ Brown and pay him 5/110 in the off season? If not I'm not sure you're ever going to be serious about getting one. Look at what he's done on running team with a PA QB. If he stays healthy he's a top 5-12 WR over the next 6-8 years at 24 yo. Idk sometimes you have to just do it and Brown is that guy over the next half decade.

I'm not necessarily advocating I just see a lot of "I don't want to pay him that money " but "I want a real WR1" ... you either draft one or pay for one. They're not just going to show up at 1PP.

I know we are covering old ground on the proposal that WR are now the 2nd most important position on offense. For years now I've been against that thought. But the fact is I saw a list of franchise prices the other day which showed that WR's have reached the 20/yr level, but then again so had about every OTHER position too. OT, CB OG, DT, DE, LB, S. where all within 3 MM/yr difference. So the question becomes no matter how year add and from what position, the cost is going to be in the neighborhood of $20MM/yr

So regardless any trade for a big name anything is not in the card for this season. I believe the offense is going to evolve and surprise people with its effectiveness. It might not be "explosive", but I believe with a 2nd year all together and a SECOND year QB all boats will be elevated. THEN with a 2nd successful draft in a row this team and a boatload of cap room this team will be able to add whatever they need in to make a REAL run for a championship in 2023. So any thoughts to trading for somebody else's' headaches THIS season is just conjecture. Ain't gonna happen. just sayin'

 

[DW Toys]

I hear you, certainly.

I prefer Deebo to Brown, but the point is legit.

With Mac on his rookie deal, now or next year might be the time to do this, if we’re going to.

50 Cousin,
Excellent summation.
DW Toys

 

[50-yard-line]

Or you pay 4 or 5 guys at the mid level point instead of two top guys. Which is the better approach? Yes, you gotta pay - I hear you - and we should be pleased to pay the market rate, but how do you pay? I do not think it is as easy as paying $22M a year for a guy and saying the issue is solved. Mac is in his 2nd year, we have 4 mid level guys and I would guess a "quick slot" guy coming in the draft, so where will that take the Pats along with 2 or 3 TEs versus paying for Tyreek Hill?

The only guy at the mid-level WR right now is Agholor.

I do agree that BB is into the catch-by-committee approach, and I think he has the right QB for it.

Against the current grain, obviously. We shall see who is correct.

 

[ralmat55]

With all the talk of the exploding value of wide receivers, I think it’s illuminating that the two best and most recently successful teams involved in these transactions, the Chiefs and Packers, were sellers not buyers.

Let’s see how valuable the $28 million dollar wide receivers prove to be for their new teams before saying it’s the way of the future. I’m thinking we’ll see the Chiefs and Packers having better records over the next few years than the Dolphins and Raiders with their shiny new receivers.

 

[DaBruinz]

With all the talk of the exploding value of wide receivers, I think it’s illuminating that the two best and most recently successful teams involved in these transactions, the Chiefs and Packers, were sellers not buyers.

Let’s see how valuable the $28 million dollar wide receivers prove to be for their new teams before saying it’s the way of the future. I’m thinking we’ll see the Chiefs and Packers having better records over the next few years than the Dolphins and Raiders with their shiny new receivers.

They were sellers because of where they had already committed significant portions of their cap and they didn't have the ability to work things out in a favorable manner in terms of reaching deals with Hill and Adams respectively

 

[Zuma]

Picking some ideal prospects for New England Patriots early in the draft

The Patriots have several needs they could address in next week's draft, including receiver, cornerback and defensive line. Who would be a good fit?

www.espn.com

7. Taylor made: One week into the Patriots’ voluntary offseason program, word is third-year running back J.J. Taylor looks noticeably bigger. Taylor is listed at 5-foot-6 and 185 pounds on the official roster, and while his willingness to step up and take on blitzing linebackers has never been in question, he might now be more physically able to handle those assignments. That could be critical as he competes for a roster spot behind Damien Harris and Rhamondre Stevenson, while also possibly vying to take over James White’s role as the passing back.

 

[Grogan14]

Top WRs are getting to be like QBs interms of how much money they command after rookie contract. For this reason, could be economically smart to get an elite WR in round 1 and then have 4 years at low cost

 

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[BaconGrundleCandy]

I know we are covering old ground on the proposal that WR are now the 2nd most important position on offense. For years now I've been against that thought. But the fact is I saw a list of franchise prices the other day which showed that WR's have reached the 20/yr level, but then again so had about every OTHER position too. OT, CB OG, DT, DE, LB, S. where all within 3 MM/yr difference. So the question becomes no matter how year add and from what position, the cost is going to be in the neighborhood of $20MM/yr

So regardless any trade for a big name anything is not in the card for this season. I believe the offense is going to evolve and surprise people with its effectiveness. It might not be "explosive", but I believe with a 2nd year all together and a SECOND year QB all boats will be elevated. THEN with a 2nd successful draft in a row this team and a boatload of cap room this team will be able to add whatever they need in to make a REAL run for a championship in 2023. So any thoughts to trading for somebody else's' headaches THIS season is just conjecture. Ain't gonna happen. just sayin'

Yea like I mentioned above I'm not necessarily advocating for this or another trade. I'm just saying there's a group of people that constantly want a WR1 but don't want to pay market price. They're stuck in 80's & 90's. Most of the time the NFL is ahead of curve in terms of money. Like you can see these things coming down the road.

Again I just find it curious that there's a contingent of people that want a legit WR1 but don't want to pay. And Brown is a guy you want on your team if you're rebuilding and planning on coming out the other side with expectations. There will always be another guy - draft/FA/trade but he's a great opportunity.

I agree with you on 2023 and actually said as much last summer. Last year was getting guys acclimated how we do things (gettingto know coaches, climate of the place/what's expected), play book. This year is all about seeing who's making a jump. We can get out a few contracts if we want - who's sticking around for Bill's inevitable last run. And that'll be 2023.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

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[Ochmed Jones]

The wide receiver from south alabama needs to be on bb’s radar.

 

[captain stone]

The wide receiver from south alabama needs to be on bb’s radar.

Yeah I also like Tolbert, but I would probably still take Metchie ahead of him because of the familiarity factor... As long as Metchie's rehab is going as planned...

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I saw this and love this ****. Good post lol

I'm not a fantasy guy but I have BA so this also makes me happy.