Groh not Wolf led the 2021 draft

[TheRainMaker]

You are wrong.

I don't know, seems pretty straight forward to me.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't know, seems pretty straight forward to me.

Well let’s see.
The purpose of offense is to score.
The patriots scored more points than 26 teams and less than 5.
The patriots scored points on a higher % of their possessions than 30 teams and less than 1.
Calling that average is far from straight forward.

 

[moosekill]

I don't know, seems pretty straight forward to me.

And it seems like you are pretty excited about it!! By the way, how many games did you predict they would win last year?

 

[Ring 6]

I don't know, seems pretty straight forward to me.

I’ll expand on that answer. Seattle was 16th in the nfl in points scored, a tic above average. Let’s compare.

Seattle had 187 offensive possessions and scored on 65 of them.
The Patriots had 175 possessions and scored on 84 of them.
The patriots scored 67 more points in fewer possessions.
The patriot offense was clearly better.

 

[Noexcusesfornumber5]

The #1 scoring offense went 12 and 6, lost in the wild card, and lost all but one game to playoff teams.

 

[TheRainMaker]

And it seems like you are pretty excited about it!! By the way, how many games did you predict they would win last year?

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[moosekill]

What does that have to do with anything?

Just wondering, you seem to think they are going to completely suck this coming year. Since you seem to consider yourself an expert, I just wondered what your predictions were last year?

 

[TheRainMaker]

Just wondering, you seem to think they are going to completely suck this coming year. Since you seem to consider yourself an expert, I just wondered what your predictions were last year?

If you think they were a good enough offense, that's fine. I just don't, particularly in the passing game. Mac was a rookie and it would've been unrealistic to expect him to take over games. Parker is a nice start in helping him out.

They were 3-7 against winning teams and 7-0 against losing teams. 3 of those 7 were against the Jets and Jaguars who were the worst teams in the league. You don't need to be an "expert" to figure that out.

And to answer your question, I think I had them winning more games to begin the season than in 2020, but changed the prediction when they were 2-4 to win 5 or 6 games.

 

[moosekill]

If you think they were a good enough offense, that's fine. I just don't, particularly in the passing game. Mac was a rookie and it would've been unrealistic to expect him to take over games. Parker is a nice start in helping him out.

They were 3-7 against winning teams and 7-0 against losing teams. 3 of those 7 were against the Jets and Jaguars who were the worst teams in the league. You don't need to be an "expert" to figure that out.

And to answer your question, I think I had them winning more games to begin the season than in 2020, but changed the prediction when they were 2-4 to win 5 or 6 games.

Yup kinda figured that. We all get it, you don’t need to explain or justify. You were wrong last year and enjoy complaining about the team. Hopefully you are wrong again this year. Although, once again, I am sure being wrong two years in a row wouldn’t keep you from *****in again next year.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Yup kinda figured that. We all get it, you don’t need to explain or justify. You were wrong last year and enjoy complaining about the team. Hopefully you are wrong again this year. Although, once again, I am sure being wrong two years in a row wouldn’t keep you from *****in again next year.

You know you have nothing to say when you go straight to a response like this.

"Complaining about the team"...please.

Oh and I forgot to my 3rd prediction. I don't know how to look it up, but after they went on their run to 9-4 I predicted they were going to get the #1 seed...hopefully this doesn't ruin your day.

 

[Ring 6]

If you think they were a good enough offense, that's fine. I just don't, particularly in the passing game. Mac was a rookie and it would've been unrealistic to expect him to take over games. Parker is a nice start in helping him out.

They were 3-7 against winning teams and 7-0 against losing teams. 3 of those 7 were against the Jets and Jaguars who were the worst teams in the league. You don't need to be an "expert" to figure that out.

And to answer your question, I think I had them winning more games to begin the season than in 2020, but changed the prediction when they were 2-4 to win 5 or 6 games.

Good enough for what?
All teams do better against bad teams than good ones.
Were they a SB caliber offense? Probably not but they did score more points than both SB teams.
But they were good enough to make the playoffs, good entity to barely miss winning the division and even being a 1 seed. Good enough to be one of the best ever offenses with a rookie QB.
How many teams that were outside the top 10 offenses do you think beat a lot of playoff teams? It’s ridiculous to dismiss an offenses accomplishments by saying they couldn’t be as good as they played because of their record in certain games. Tell me 10 teams that had better offenses. (I ask this to every one who claims the results don’t count and no one ever gives an answer).
8 teams went further than the Patriots.
Buffalo
Kc
Cincy
Tennesse
Gb
Sf
LA
TB

There is no way you are convincing me Tennessee and SF were better offenses. Where are the others that did not go further than the patriots whose offenses were better, because you can’t use the “lost to this team excuse”

What is extremely encouraging however is that they did this with a rookie Qb throwing most of his passes to players new to the system.
I consider Mason to Onwenu a wash, so we have the same team back except for a JAG LG and have added a good WR. There is no way to argue the offense should not be even better this year.
No matter what they do or how they do it, if we are in the top 6 in scoring points, we are absolutely a contender. I don’t know how anyone can argue with that.

 

[Ring 6]

You know you have nothing to say when you go straight to a response like this.

"Complaining about the team"...please.

Oh and I forgot to my 3rd prediction. I don't know how to look it up, but after they went on their run to 9-4 I predicted they were going to get the #1 seed...hopefully this doesn't ruin your day.

So what you are saying is you made a bad prediction, changed it, we’re wrong again, so you changed it and were wrong a 3rd time.
So your evaluation is worth what?

 

[moosekill]

You know you have nothing to say when you go straight to a response like this.

"Complaining about the team"...please.

Oh and I forgot to my 3rd prediction. I don't know how to look it up, but after they went on their run to 9-4 I predicted they were going to get the #1 seed...hopefully this doesn't ruin your day.

So just so I get this straight. With your brilliant football knowledge, you first predicted them to be ok, then when they started off slow you predicted they would suck, then when they started doing well you predicted they would be great. Boy you just plain suck at this.

And Jesus, all you do is ***** about this team. Go root for another team until you get over your Brady Butt Hurt. You will be much happier.

 

[venecol]

When teams always go deep in the playoffs, they typically pick in the bottom of drafts and the %s of landing starting -caliber players lessens.

Maybe, but picking in the bottom doesn't mean you can't continue to go deep in the playoffs. At least that hasn't been the case for KC or the Rams. I think having talented players (esp. QB), however you get them (FAcy, trades), is more important than where you pick in the draft as it relates to team success.

KC 1st RD:
2018: no pick / CCG
2019: no pick / SB
2020: pick 32 / SB
2021: no pick / CCG

LAR 1st RD:
2018: no pick / SB
2019: no pick / missed playoffs
2020: no pick / DIV
2021: no pick / SB

Pats 1st RD:
2018: picks 23 & 31 / SB
2019: pick 32 / WC
2020: no pick / missed playoffs
2021: pick 15 / WC

In addition, only 31% of 1st RD picks get a 2nd contract by the same team, so it's a crapshoot anyway.

 

[venecol]

Only if you base everything on flashy signings, which we should know by now isn’t the way to be right.

It's worked out just fine for the LA Rams.

 

[venecol]

It's too early to have strong arguments about which teams are better. It's fine to have opinions based on what's done so far, but no one should be getting angry about it either way. We're not even 50% of the way through the moves these teams are going to make to change their rosters.

Agree it's too early but Pats have 70 players signed, so that's 78% of the possible moves. With 8 draft picks and potentially another 6 udfa, that's 93%. So there's really very few moves left aside from draft week.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Maybe, but picking in the bottom doesn't mean you can't continue to go deep in the playoffs. At least that hasn't been the case for KC or the Rams. I think having talented players (esp. QB), however you get them (FAcy, trades), is more important than where you pick in the draft as it relates to team success.

KC 1st RD:
2018: no pick / CCG
2019: no pick / SB
2020: pick 32 / SB
2021: no pick / CCG

LAR 1st RD:
2018: no pick / SB
2019: no pick / missed playoffs
2020: no pick / DIV
2021: no pick / SB

Pats 1st RD:
2018: picks 23 & 31 / SB
2019: pick 32 / WC
2020: no pick / missed playoffs
2021: pick 15 / WC

In addition, only 31% of 1st RD picks get a 2nd contract by the same team, so it's a crapshoot anyway.

Yep. Cap space and a franchise QB certainly make things easier

 

[venecol]

How can the points an offense score be misleading?
Do you really think that “passing better” and scoring less points makes a better offense? How?
6th ranked in the most important category and 6th best aren’t necessarily the same thing but they are very close. Turnovers should be factored in. But no, “more playmakers” scoring less points is not a better offense. I honestly can’t believe that is a debate.

Because a series of numbers can be funny when taken out of context. For example:
1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 100

Total: 109
Mean: 10.9 (1 score >mean)
Median: 1 (1 score >median)
Mode: 1 (1 score >mode)

Pats: 13, 14, 16, 17, 17, 21, 24, 24, 25, 25, 25, 27, 29, 36, 45, 50, 54.

Total: 462
Mean: 27.2 (5 scores >mean)
Median: 25 (6 scores >median)
Mode: 25 (6 scores >mode)
<20: 5
20-29: 8
30+: 4

Rams: 10, 16, 20, 20, 20, 24, 26, 27, 28, 28, 30, 30, 34, 34, 37, 38, 38.

Total: 460
Mean: 27.1 (9 scores >mean)
Median: 28 (7 scores >median)
Mode: 20 (12 scores >mode)
<20: 2
20-29: 8
30+: 7

So, despite the Pats having the #6 scoring offense, the Rams had a better and more consistent offense. The same can be said about CIN, GB and others that scored less points than the Pats.

 

[patriotsdynasty12189]

Based strictly on their pre-draft evaluation last year and a few highlights I saw, I suspect that Perkin and McGrone will be good, very good.

Its possible, I cant speak for Perkins but I'm a Michigan junkie and I loved McGrone. He was impressive in 2019 then got hurt in the odd 2020 season which really shouldn't be used as anything. Plays sideline to sideline and is built like the new age linebacker. He did a good job replacing Devin Bush.

 

[TheRainMaker]

So what you are saying is you made a bad prediction, changed it, we’re wrong again, so you changed it and were wrong a 3rd time.
So your evaluation is worth what?

My first prediction was actually closest to the right prediction and that was before the season started. Second was a thread after they started 2-4 asking how we felt now. 3rd time was just me commenting on how they 9-4 . Sure, like anyone knew they’d go 2-4, 7-0, 1-3 during the season. The board was up and down just like the team was. I usually stick to my preseason prediction, but didn’t. I kept changing it and was wrong. Oh well.