My take on Kraft’s statement at the ownership meetings.

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[MahomestoKelce]

His sentiments are reasonable. He said the same thing back in 2009/2010. Hes paying BB a ****ton of money to win championships.

To clarify, Belichick shouldn't be on any hot seat. My opinion is a 6 time SB coach deserves to be able to help a team through a rebuild.

But...there's one obvious, and huge, difference between the 09/10 Patriots and today's Patriots.

 

[Steve102]

it is just so mother fuc*king wonderful to see the same negative nancies once again roll their wave of miasma and anti belichick rhetoric thru yet another thread...

I see all this anti Bill horsechit and I always think "Who the eff do you want instead?". It's ridiculous.

To clarify, Belichick shouldn't be on any hot seat. My opinion is a 6 time SB coach deserves to be able to help a team through a rebuild.

But...there's one obvious, and huge, difference between the 09/10 Patriots and today's Patriots.

Bill isn't on the hot seat. Bill leaves when he wants, just like someone else who used to be here. These knuckleheads who think that Bill is one bad season from getting chitcanned are delusional.

 

[RobertWeathers]

To clarify, Belichick shouldn't be on any hot seat. My opinion is a 6 time SB coach deserves to be able to help a team through a rebuild.

Deserves got nothing to do with it.

I worship Bill more than any other fan on this board but if hes spending $200m a year on players, not winning playoff games and having middling regular seasons 4+ years in a row it's time for a change.

I think they are on a nice forward path but we'll see how 2022 goes and what they do with $100m in cap space next year.

But...there's one obvious, and huge, difference between the 09/10 Patriots and today's Patriots.

So? It means the team went 0-2 in the playoffs with Brady. They were not championship-ready clubs.

 

[FCB02062]

the Pats have been the most dominant team in sports the last 20 years. To expect a super bowl appearance every other year is ridiculous. but if coach bill is as good as everyone here thinks he is, the Can Newton year should be the aberration. This team should be making the playoffs every 3 out of 4 or 5 years. If coach bill is as good as fanboys here say this team should be in the playoffs 3/4 years of Mac Jones contract. But now they are probably behind at least 11 AFC teams. We shall see....

 

[RobertWeathers]

the Pats have been the most dominant team in sports the last 20 years. To expect a super bowl appearance every other year is ridiculous. but if coach bill is as good as everyone here thinks he is, the Can Newton year should be the aberration. This team should be making the playoffs every 3 out of 4 or 5 years. If coach bill is as good as fanboys here say this team should be in the playoffs 3/4 years of Mac Jones contract. But now they are probably behind at least 11 AFC teams. We shall see....

They are not behind 11 AFC teams. 7 is more accurate.

 

[Ring 6]

Deserves got nothing to do with it.

I worship Bill more than any other fan on this board but if hes spending $200m a year on players, not winning playoff games and having middling regular seasons 4+ years in a row it's time for a change.

I think they are on a nice forward path but we'll see how 2022 goes and what they do with $100m in cap space next year.

So? It means the team went 0-2 in the playoffs with Brady. They were not championship-ready clubs.

He spends the same amount on players as the other 31 teams.
Making the playoffs 2 of 3 years is better than average without even considering the circumstances.
They were 12-4 in 2019, that’s not middling. They had no chance to win in 2020 and 7-9 was actually an accomplishment with an albatross under center.
They just became one of the few teams ever to make the playoffs with a rookie QB.
I’m not seeing failure (unless we join the rest of the board and predict failure that hasn’t happened and judge upon that fantasy)

 

[Ring 6]

the Pats have been the most dominant team in sports the last 20 years. To expect a super bowl appearance every other year is ridiculous. but if coach bill is as good as everyone here thinks he is, the Can Newton year should be the aberration. This team should be making the playoffs every 3 out of 4 or 5 years. If coach bill is as good as fanboys here say this team should be in the playoffs 3/4 years of Mac Jones contract. But now they are probably behind at least 11 AFC teams. We shall see....

They missed the playoffs 1 time. 1.

 

[crawhammer]

Of course you don’t think that Kraft has confidence in the guy who has had the most success in the history of the sport because that’s your agenda.
You appear to want to believe that thinking you have the best man for the job required perfection and no result less than perfection can be tolerated. You aren’t too in touch with reality are you?

If you are going to keep your hypotheticals within the realm of possibility why would you expect a losing season from the coach who has 1 losing season in the last 21 and that was because he has the worst, by far, QB in the NFL?

I'll see what the draft brings but right now I have them finishing with a losing season. Too many better opponents on their schedule.

My comment was I don't think Kraft's confidence in Belichick is as rock solid as you're saying. That's a lot different from saying Kraft has no confidence. And it has nothing to do with my agenda... I'm listening to the words coming out of Kraft's mouth. Kraft is of the opinion that Belichick had 4 poor drafts leading up to last season... Kraft said that. Kraft is "bothered" by no playoff wins in 3 years... he said that. Kraft has issued public reminders of how much money he soaked into the team last offseason. He says he expects the team to be in contention in 2022. In summary, Kraft is saying enough has been done to reboot this team so he's expecting results RIGHT NOW. In other words the past two decades don't matter... What have you done for me lately?!!

 

[RobertWeathers]

He spends the same amount on players as the other 31 teams.
Making the playoffs 2 of 3 years is better than average without even considering the circumstances.
They were 12-4 in 2019, that’s not middling. They had no chance to win in 2020 and 7-9 was actually an accomplishment with an albatross under center.
They just became one of the few teams ever to make the playoffs with a rookie QB.
I’m not seeing failure (unless we join the rest of the board and predict failure that hasn’t happened and judge upon that fantasy)

Just because every GM spends the same amount doesn't mean they are spending well.

2019 was not a good year. BB did his best to milk Dynasty 2 but nothing worked out

I agree the trajectory of the team is on the upswing but if they have a 1995 season it'll get interesting around here.

 

[Triumph]

You care what Bob says only when you agree with it.

Everything else you could give 2 ****s.

I buy his Macaroni and Cheese all the time.

 

[Triumph]

People dont like it because Bob is right.

The draft miscues have killed the Pats progress. There is absolutely no excuse on why the Pats dont have young good drafted WRs in the pipeline. They should be playing significant offensive roles on rookie contracts. Instead, NE got held up signing Agahlor and Johnuu. Money that could have addressed other critical needs.

 

[50-yard-line]

Kraft keeps mentioning the bad drafts. That is no accident. Bill and company need to hit it out of the park this year. Kraft is not shelling out the type of money he did last year again.

Let's say the Pats had drafted great in 16, 17, 18...guess what? Kraft would have had to lay out big bucks to KEEP the players in question (see Joe Thuney, below).

2016 was pretty bad, other than Thuney - and look, he's gone. They didn't pick until 60 that year, because they brought in Cooks to help them immediately.

2017 was basically a punt on the draft. They didn't pick until 83 and had 4, count 'em 4, picks (thieves, I tell ya!). BB took a shot with Rivers, who looked promising but couldn't stay on the field. Garcia was another gamble, and that fell flat. Wise, on the other hand, has been a pretty good pick for #131 in a draft.

2018 gave them Wynn, Michel, and Bentley. People like to crap on Michel, but I still maintain that getting a guy who could protect Brady and give them the rookie year he had, particularly in that amazing playoff run, was well worth the pick. And Wynn is a starting left tackle, still, on the team. bentley, considering where he was picked (Round 5) has outperformed expectations and is still here.

The drafts that hurt the Pats right now are 2019 and 2020 if those players like Uche, Jenning, Asiasi, Onwenu, Herron, Keene don't step up. I think 2019 is where Kraft is focused when he complains, and given the way it went down with Harry and Williams, who can blame him?

There are 14 players still on the roster from those two drafts.

Last year's draft looked great - when was the last time before that where the Pats had that kind of draft capital? Winning takes its toll. Trading picks for vets takes a bigger toll AND keeps the CAP tight. In the five years before last year's draft, the Pats had a TOTAL of FOUR picks in the top 50 - #23, #31, #32, #37 (Wynn, Michel, Harry, and Dugger). How many blue chip stars come out after the 50th pick?

 

[Biffins]

I think This statement makes it clear that Kraft isn’t interested in being in rebuild mode like the jaguars, falcons and Texans. He wants us to get back to the playoffs and at the very least make a deep playoff run. Basically being in the conversation.

They went out and got their guy at QB. Hopefully I think mac will be our qb for years to come. They spent 120 million in free agency last year and got hunter henry, aghlor, Kendrick Bourne, Judon. That makes it clear to me also that they’re not trying to just rebuild.


Just think about other teams who have historic successes. The 49ers have 5 Super Bowls, they haven’t won a title since 1994, the cowboys have 5 Super Bowls, they haven’t won a title since 1995. The Steelers have won 6 Super Bowls and haven’t won a playoff game since 2016. They haven’t won a super bowl in 13 years. I don’t want us to end up like that either.

How is what Kraft saying different from 31 other owners saying. Doesn't everyone want to make a deep playoff run?! Or am I missing something?

 

[Ring 6]

Just because every GM spends the same amount doesn't mean they are spending well.

2019 was not a good year. BB did his best to milk Dynasty 2 but nothing worked out

I agree the trajectory of the team is on the upswing but if they have a 1995 season it'll get interesting around here.

Your comment was “if he’s spending 200 mill on players” which sounded as if you were saying that is unordinary.

I actually think 2019 was potentially a championship year that got short circuited.
We had a ton of receivers here, more than enough to deal with attrition and ended up falling short because we couldn’t throw the ball.
Edelman
AB
Gordon
Dorsett
Thomas
Decker
Mitchell
Myers
Sanu

We could have list many of them and had the best WR group of any pats sb champs.
The defense was #1 in points #1 in yards and #2 in takeaways.

They started 10-1
These are Brady’s stats after game 11
120/211 52.3% 1324 yards (221 per game 6.3 per att) 9/4 Td/int

Worst 6 game stretch of his career and he was clearly injured.

After week 11 they were SB favorites and because of the passing game it feel apart. That wasn’t a player acquisition issue

2020 was payback for a long run staying in top.
Despite what you read on this board 2021 was a success, given the timeline.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I would love to be the world beating big bad of the NFL every year, but we're just not, and not likely to be any time soon. We're shooting for making the playoffs, eating our wheaties, and hoping we're the 07 (or 12) Giants. The truth is, we took a year off from the playoffs, we came back to the playoffs backing in, and we're basically a basketball someone bounced on the pavement, either about to come down again or not even halfway to the top of the arc. I will be psyched soon to start claiming whoever we drafted was a great choice unless it's not, and how we're now guaranteed to win unless we don't.

If we ever see the league-owning bully Pats again I'll be pleasantly surprised... "One more dynasty decade please " How many fan bases say that?

Gaw.

 

[moosekill]

People dont like it because Bob is right.

The draft miscues have killed the Pats progress. There is absolutely no excuse on why the Pats dont have young good drafted WRs in the pipeline. They should be playing significant offensive roles on rookie contracts. Instead, NE got held up signing Agahlor and Johnuu. Money that could have addressed other critical needs.

They made the freaking playoffs last year. Nothing bud killing the patriots.

 

[venecol]

The drafts that hurt the Pats right now are 2019 and 2020 if those players like Uche, Jenning, Asiasi, Onwenu, Herron, Keene don't step up. I think 2019 is where Kraft is focused when he complains, and given the way it went down with Harry and Williams, who can blame him?

Speaking of Asiasi, I didn't realize the 4th round pick gained from the Gronk trade to Tampa was used to the trade up to pick him.

Pats trade Gronk plus pick 241 (7th) to Bucs for pick 139 (4th).

Pats trade picks 100, 139 (Bucs) & 172 to Raiders for pick 91 (Asiasi) & 159. Pats pick K Justin Rohrwasser w/ 159.

 

[Triumph]

They made the freaking playoffs last year. Nothing bud killing the patriots.

The Pats were a 1 and done playoff team.

Being happy just reaching the playoffs is the old Cincinnati Bungles gold standard.

 

[1960Pats]

It took Kraft being interviewed for you to come to that conclusion?
Every team wants to win. Teams don’t rebuild because they like to rebuild, they rebuild because their last plan failed and they have no choice.
The owners in Jacksonville, Houston and Atlanta want to win every bit as much as Kraft does, but it’s not really an option for them because they put together a ****ty team that can’t win and have coaches who probably aren’t capable of winning anything with average talent.
Pittsburgh,SF and Dallas did stop winning SBs because they stopped caring about winning SBs. They stopped because the people making decisions for their organization made worse ones that their competitors.
Within about a 5 or 6 year period every team is almost completely turned over.
The best teams today are the teams that made the best decisions for the last 5-6 years. Consistency comes when you keep the same decision making structure and people in place (which can make you consistently good, bad, average).

The best teams are the teams with the best players. It's difficult to have sustained success when you keep letting players leave too early and get nothing in return.
I remember someone here making a statement that Bill doesn't have favorites. His recent moves prove otherwise.
I also keep hearing the word parity thrown around but the truth is that for the most part it's been the same playoff teams for a couple of decades. That's more like parody.