BGC 2022 WR/PTP Thread

[Ochmed Jones]

Since he ran well at the combine, the wide receiver from Idaho continues to generate more buzz.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Only watched a few games of him total. Looks pretty smooth more than fast. Seen him pull a few moves in short areas. Plucks the ball away from his frame. Seen him reel in a few ones that lead to big hits he knew was coming. Possible X if he tested well enough. Haven't seen any #'s on his testing.

Looking like an UDFA:

Dai'Jean Dixon Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com

All Combine and Draft-Related Analysis, News, Video, and Biographical Information for Dai'Jean Dixon

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[FredFromDartmouth]

A friend of mine who lives in Louisiana (but is a Steelers fan) is raving about Nicholls State WR Dai'Jean Dixon.

I've never heard of him, or Nicholls State, and can't find any tape worth a damn on him. Anyone here seen him?

I watched some highlights. Looks like high school football. Dixon is huge with good hands, but he is slow and unshifty. Showboat, against high school, err, college CBs. Most of his catchese were contested which he won because of his size. The will not work in the NFL (.i.e NKeal Harry). UDFA, lucky to make it out of camp.

 

[Username]

Here's another late round/UDFA WR I hadn't heard of, but stumbled across while trying to find info on Dai'Jean Dixon. Tanner Conner, Idaho State. 6'3", 230lbs, 4.4 40, 40" vertical.

Again, can't find any decent tape on him, other than one or two very short Youtube clips

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

I watched some highlights of Garrett Wilson from Ohio State, and I don't know what to say. It is hard to tell if he can beat man coverage since the CB play against him was dreadful, terrible zone coverage. He does have good acceleration and quick feet with weirdo moves. He is slippery as an eel after the catch. Good size and fantastic hands but a Showboat. I saw him covered when up against a decent CB. Did he ever play against "Sauce" Gardner; I would review that carefully before drafting this guy. Based on some projections, I suspect he will be over drafted.

 

[Jim Beankie]

There's something funny going on with these Combine time splits (supposedly corrected official Electronic times per RAS and Draftscout). 1.41 10yd split for Tyquan Thornton. 1.44 for CAustinIII, 1.45 for CWatson and COlave, 1.46 for Velus, APierce, and SMoore . These don't seem right - insanely historically fast - everyone else in Combine history who ran a 4.31 or lower has run slower than all those times, so I'm leaning towards some funny business. Chris Johnson (RB) was the fastest at 1.4.

If the times are legit ,though, it's interesting that Slade Bolden despite the slow 40 actually had a pretty fast 10yd split (1.52 - same as JEdelman. Jakobi's is pretty decent at 1.55. As reference: Danny Gray and Marquise 4.27 Goodwin posted 1.51 and RuggsIII 1.54).

Others of note were Woolen at 1.47 and Nick Cross / ZyonMc / PButler at 1.46.

Does this all matter? Probably not too much. Kupp had 1.62/4.62. That being said, a .05 second difference for a very conservative 14mph that one would reach at 10yds is a difference of 12 inches.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

There's something funny going on with these Combine time splits (supposedly corrected official Electronic times per RAS and Draftscout). 1.41 10yd split for Tyquan Thornton. 1.44 for CAustinIII, 1.45 for CWatson and COlave, 1.46 for Velus, APierce, and SMoore . These don't seem right - insanely historically fast - everyone else in Combine history who ran a 4.31 or lower has run slower than all those times, so I'm leaning towards some funny business. Chris Johnson (RB) was the fastest at 1.4.

If the times are legit ,though, it's interesting that Slade Bolden despite the slow 40 actually had a pretty fast 10yd split (1.52 - same as JEdelman. Jakobi's is pretty decent at 1.55. As reference: Danny Gray and Marquise 4.27 Goodwin posted 1.51 and RuggsIII 1.54).

Others of note were Woolen at 1.47 and Nick Cross / ZyonMc / PButler at 1.46.

Does this all matter? Probably not too much. Kupp had 1.62/4.62. That being said, a .05 second difference for a very conservative 14mph that one would reach at 10yds is a difference of 12 inches.

Expand on this more please

 

[Jim Beankie]

Expand on this more please

Imho, either this is really a historically absurdly fast accelerating class with groundbreaking techniques in specific training and prep, or the timing is off somehow (or the data I'm looking at cross referencing from RAS and Draftscout is inaccurate), or...



Side note: it was interesting how everyone was getting onto their stance for the 40. Haven't really paid attention before, but it looked like they were squishing a spring. Just watched the 60m Women's indoor Champs, and there was a gal who does something somewhat similar, so it made me think about it.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Imho, either this is really a historically absurdly fast accelerating class with groundbreaking techniques in specific training and prep, or the timing is off somehow (or the data I'm looking at cross referencing from RAS and Draftscout is inaccurate), or...

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Side note: it was interesting how everyone was getting onto their stance for the 40. Haven't really paid attention before, but it looked like they were squishing a spring. Just watched the 60m Women's indoor Champs, and there was a gal who does something somewhat similar, so it made me think about it.

Speaking of groundbreaking technique, this short docu-style video is really incredible. This is what dedication to transforming technique and physique looks like over a very long time. Absurdly impressive!

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Imho, either this is really a historically absurdly fast accelerating class with groundbreaking techniques in specific training and prep, or the timing is off somehow (or the data I'm looking at cross referencing from RAS and Draftscout is inaccurate), or...

View attachment 42097

Side note: it was interesting how everyone was getting onto their stance for the 40. Haven't really paid attention before, but it looked like they were squishing a spring. Just watched the 60m Women's indoor Champs, and there was a gal who does something somewhat similar, so it made me think about it.

Yea pre-combine training is huge business. All these guys are training somewhere with former players, trainers etc. The 40 is interesting though. Like you can correct, adjust things on your bench and unless you get hurt it never shows up on the field. But the 40 you're using a totally different stance. Different from the one(s) you've been using since HS. Guys aren't used a crouch, coming out of it or keeping technique throughout. It's obviously working out for most but interesting considering how different it is from what we see on the field. Yea they're thoroughly trained and I have no doubt it's helping with sprints and jumps. That said they did have a new guy recording times this year.

I always love learning about movements and seeing what the body can do. Some of these athletes are just incredible.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Speaking of groundbreaking technique, this short docu-style video is really incredible. This is what dedication to transforming technique and physique looks like over a very long time. Absurdly impressive!

Big fan of that video - I've been following that guy meticulously for over 10 years.

 

[dliverey44]

Speaking of groundbreaking technique, this short docu-style video is really incredible. This is what dedication to transforming technique and physique looks like over a very long time. Absurdly impressive!

He holds the record for fastest 60m ever at 6.29, that equates to 4.07 40 yard. OOOOOMMMMGGGG

 

[WaterfallJumper]

He holds the record for fastest 60m ever at 6.29, that equates to 4.07 40 yard. OOOOOMMMMGGGG

Yep! Incredible dedication to work on his stride frequency and short-distance explosion. He's still overtaken by the elite sprinters over 100 meters, however, which should remind us that long speed != 40 yard dash results. Some of the players we've seen pull away from defenders once they hit the open field only have middling 40 times, but have build up speed that results in explosive plays when they get a chance to actually play on the field. Burks immediately comes to mind as an example.

 

[State]

Third round gem at WR?

Alec Pierce Wide Receiver Cincinnati | NFL Draft Profile & Scouting Report

Rating: 83.1 Rank: #16 Forty: 4.41 Alec Pierce has been shooting up draft boards lately as teams have become more aware of his super-athletic talents. He's got ideal size for an outside rece...

www.nfldraftbuzz.com

 

[captain stone]

Third round gem at WR?

Alec Pierce Wide Receiver Cincinnati | NFL Draft Profile & Scouting Report

Rating: 83.1 Rank: #16 Forty: 4.41 Alec Pierce has been shooting up draft boards lately as teams have become more aware of his super-athletic talents. He's got ideal size for an outside rece...

www.nfldraftbuzz.com

Yep, if we can acquire a CB & DE with our first two picks, then WR is next up (unless DT Travis Jones is still available), and Pierce is absolutely in that early-mid/3rd-round range with John Metchie, Jalen Tolbert, Romeo Doubs among others... I expect Skyy Moore & Christian Watson to be gone by the end of the 2nd round now, so I'm not even going to try to get my hopes up there...

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Third round gem at WR?

Alec Pierce Wide Receiver Cincinnati | NFL Draft Profile & Scouting Report

Rating: 83.1 Rank: #16 Forty: 4.41 Alec Pierce has been shooting up draft boards lately as teams have become more aware of his super-athletic talents. He's got ideal size for an outside rece...

www.nfldraftbuzz.com

I think he might go a little before then but that would be great value for him.

 

[scott99]

One guy to keep an eye on is WR Tyquan Thornton from Baylor. He could be a mid round steal. He has ridiculous speed (4.28), I believe he had a 38 inch vertical, and he has some height, 6’3” 185. If we lose out on Watson or Pierce, I want Thornton.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I like to watch these guys. Appreciate the discipline, muscle output and mechanics. Love seeing what the human body can do.

Been following this cracker for a while


Godwin (last dude running leg) looks like a RB.

 

[Patriot Missile]

BGC, have your thoughts changed on Treylon Burks after his combine or are you still not swayed and keeping him in your tier 1 group?

He’s a hard one to project. Scouts have raved about his game speed and some were expecting him to run a 4.2-4.3 40. He ended up going 4.55 which is still fine for a player of that size. However his 3 cone and shuttle were pretty bad.

I’m guessing he is off the Pats draft board possibly because of Harry’s disappointing career, but I do find it odd and rather intriguing that pro scouts were expecting the kind of speed on the watch. His game speed must be pretty darn good.