Patriots Player Departure JC Jackson Bolting to the Bolts

[upstater1]

I'm in favor of trading back for an extra 2nd or early 3rd rounder. I would take CB Kaiir Elam who is slated to go 29-35, and then CB Jalen Pitre around 50-70.

 

[RIpats88]

I don't mean to bring up Brady again but... he was incredible that year. Our defense wasn't really that great that year, if you look past scoring defense.

Brady covered up alot of holes because he was the goat. I wish people would throw out this line of thinking that we can put "ok rosters together" because we did it before.

We did it with a guy who is the greatest of all time. Mac may end up being good but he's never going to be that and he will need a good team around him.

 

[Triumph]

Chargers defense is going to be badazz.

 

[upstater1]

I don't mean to bring up Brady again but... he was incredible that year. Our defense wasn't really that great that year, if you look past scoring defense.

I think the new defenses are going to be heavy up front. You can already see the Patriots expend a lot of assets -- a premium -- on pass rushers. It hasn't worked out for us yet, but bringing in Judon, drafting Barmore, Uche, Jennings and Perkins, was done with the intent of causing havoc up front

This is how the Patriots beat in the Rams in 2018, how the Bucs beat the Chiefs, and how both the Rams & Bengals made Stafford and Burrow look bad.

The Bengals play with 2 mediocre (or worse) CBs in Apple and the other guy (forget his name), but they cause trouble up front. They simply dont give these QBs enough time to take advantage of the mediocre CBs.

I see the Bills have similarly spent a huge amount of assets up front: Ed Oliver, Greg Rousseau, Lotululei, Epenesa, Basham, Harrison Phillips. One FA and 5 early draft picks on pass rushing. Hasn't entirely worked out for them either, but... the idea is the same

 

[PatsFanInVa]

That’s not as much as I thought he would even get paid. Damn.

Interesting that he went for 17m APY, not the market-setting deal closer to 20M I thought he'd want

Looks like Bill sat him down and said something to the effect of, "look, where we are now, we can't pay anywhere near top of market for a CB. Here's a number and it's probably insulting. We get that."

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I think the new defenses are going to be heavy up front. You can already see the Patriots expend a lot of assets -- a premium -- on pass rushers. It hasn't worked out for us yet, but bringing in Judon, drafting Barmore, Uche, Jennings and Perkins, was done with the intent of causing havoc up front

This is how the Patriots beat in the Rams in 2018, how the Bucs beat the Chiefs, and how both the Rams & Bengals made Stafford and Burrow look bad.

The Bengals play with 2 mediocre (or worse) CBs in Apple and the other guy (forget his name), but they cause trouble up front. They simply dont give these QBs enough time to take advantage of the mediocre CBs.

I see the Bills have similarly spent a huge amount of assets up front: Ed Oliver, Greg Rousseau, Lotululei, Epenesa, Basham, Harrison Phillips. One FA and 5 early draft picks on pass rushing. Hasn't entirely worked out for them either, but... the idea is the same

With the caveat that it's a matter of balance - sort of "we'll go 12 or 15 apy but not 20 (or 17)"

Come to think of it, it makes sense. They had just gotten rid of a high value, high cost cb, and Jackson really performed well before hitting the market (was already doing quite well prior to this season)... maybe pricing himself out of BB value for CB

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Draft a first round cb... Just hope they address the run defense

and a first round vertical threat. And something about the O line. And and and...

Also all of them need to rush the quarterback

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Bill could've had him for $17m franchise tag. For one year.

It's what he'll cost the Chargers this year anyway.

Thought I read that LA is paying him 28 mil year 1.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

 

[50-yard-line]

Everything extra JC got from the Chargers, is going to be lost to cali taxes and the general cost of living there (even for the wealthy)

To me it seems like JC just wanted to go to different pastures, as much as it was about the dollar amount.

When you're talking $40 million in guarantees...I mean, taxes are not changing your lifestyle at that level. Federal taxes dwarf states taxes, and in pro-sports, taxes are divided by where you play the games.

The extra million here or there in these massive contracts is about ego (and getting what you think you're worth), not lifestyle. At that level, it's just irrelevant.

I mean, seriously, do you expect him to balk at the price of gas?

 

[bresna]

Trying to win while your starting QB is cheap? Hmm...

You mean like what the Patriots did last year? Hmm...

 

[PaulNEPats]

Who’s our #1 CB now? Mills? Scary

 

[Ivan]

So it came down to a few more dollars now and a few more in the annuity.

Hes a very, very good CB.

...but hes not a Gilly 2018 level.

That's why Bill didn't stretch it.

Agree with this. I don’t think Belichick wanted to lose him, and probably went to the 16m range with him, but he wasn’t going to pay him as the top corner in football$$$. And I do think it’s like the Butler/Gilmore analogy. He thought Butler was a good player, but Gilmore was a true lockdown corner.

 

[Ivan]

Who’s our #1 CB now? Mills? Scary

Jones is their best corner, but he’s used against the opposing team’s quickest receiver.

 

[Brotherblues]

Wao he must really hate himself

 

[Joey007]

Who’s our #1 CB now? Mills? Scary

Bradberry a trade option? I’d take him.

 

[NE_Zealot]

Bill does have a nose for CB. Will miss Mr. INT and wish him well.

 

[Patsgofor4]

I’m personally bullish on Ward. If he can stay healthy, in my opinion he would be an excellent replacement for JC. He has the height/length that BB loves for his outside CBs and has excellent speed. Massive mitts, too.

JC


Ward


He will likely break my heart and resign with KC.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

and a first round vertical threat. And something about the O line. And and and...

Also all of them need to rush the quarterback

Yeah back pre-covid we knew they needed to hit 3-4 drafts in a row with major starters

 

[VectorPrime]

The usual spin BS after failing. Or they were indeed close and he still wanted to leave. Both are bad.