OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[amfootball]

I’m extremely aware of how weak the NFC appears to be going into next year which is why I find this so extra frustrating. But Godwin, Fournette, Gronk, ROJO, their center, Suh, JPP, Davis are all free agents. They can move on from Suh and JPP but the rest need signing. And then you HAVE to upgrade at corner. Somehow. And figure out who can better rush the passer than a broken JPP and get him too.

It can be done. The cap is NOT the issue here. But that’s a BIG check to write in a single offseason because to make all these deals fit into the cap will require big signing bonuses that pushes the cap hit into like 2024. And these billionaire super owners who own teams as part of a portfolio like the Glazers don’t care if winning another Super Bowl next year pays off down the line in increasing the overall value of the team. It’s about the next fiscal year and investing that much capital in one offseason is “bad” business.

The only one of those guys that is going to cost a lot is Godwin and Tampa already said he is their #1 priority. I would imagine they address Dline in the draft as Tyron is a stud. They can also address center there too if they wish.

I mean this is not a rebuild at all. It is just some tweeking. And Tampa has not given any indication that they were going to pull back at all. I am not sure where that line of thinking is coming from. Brady made them $700 mil the last 2 years. They would have done anything he wanted.

 

[VectorPrime]

The only one of those guys that is going to cost a lot is Godwin and Tampa already said he is their #1 priority. I would imagine they address Dline in the draft as Tyron is a stud. They can also address center there too if they wish.

I mean this is not a rebuild at all. It is just some tweeking. And Tampa has not given any indication that they were going to pull back at all. I am not sure where that line of thinking is coming from. Brady made them $700 mil the last 2 years. They would have done anything he wanted.

The Glazers are bad owners and ultimately do not care how good their teams are behind the immediate financial incentive and if their army of accountants and investment bankers crunch the numbers and it shows that the Bucs part of the portfolio is already mostly maxed out they’ll say where the money can better be allocated.

To assume they’d just do anything Brady wants is naive. Again, look at how the Glazers run Man U. They do not care. Do they even go to the Bucs games? Do they even live in Florida? I don’t believe they do and yes they can fly out on the giant jet they surely own but I doubt they bother.

 

[amfootball]

The Glazers are bad owners and ultimately do not care how good their teams are behind the immediate financial incentive and if their army of accountants and investment bankers crunch the numbers and it shows that the Bucs part of the portfolio is already mostly maxed out they’ll say where the money can better be allocated.

To assume they’d just do anything Brady wants is naive. Again, look at how the Glazers run Man U. They do not care. Do they even go to the Bucs games? Do they even live in Florida? I don’t believe they do and yes they can fly out on the giant jet they surely own but I doubt they bother.

Look what they did the last 2 years. They were as ALL in on Brady as any team ever has been in the NFL.

 

[VectorPrime]

Look what they did the last 2 years. They were as ALL in on Brady as any team ever has been in the NFL.

...yes. Because it was a very very good investment because the Bucs were kind of a distressed asset. And it’s paid off. There are now diminishing returns in trying to keep it together especially if Brady is gone in one year and you’re stuck with the other long term deals. This isn’t that hard to understand and I have never taken an economics course. Again, I agree it sucks. Yes it would still make them a profit. They don’t care because greater profits can possibly be found elsewhere when these sports teams are nothing but an item in the portfolio. Stop thinking like a football fan because the Glazers aren’t.

 

[amfootball]

...yes. Because it was a very very good investment because the Bucs were kind of a distressed asset. And it’s paid off. There are now diminishing returns in trying to keep it together especially if Brady is gone in one year and you’re stuck with the other long term deals. This isn’t that hard to understand and I have never taken an economics course. Again, I agree it sucks. Yes it would still make them a profit. They don’t care because greater profits can possibly be found elsewhere when these sports teams are nothing but an item in the portfolio. Stop thinking like a football fan because the Glazers aren’t.

I don't understand what you are saying. How is not having Brady for another year more profitable? He made them $700 million since he signed. Their season tickets increased by tenfold. In the 10 most watched TV programs of last year, Tampa's games were 3 of them.

 

[VectorPrime]

I don't understand what you are saying. How is not having Brady for another year more profitable? He made them $700 million since he signed. Their season tickets increased by tenfold. In the 10 most watched TV programs of last year, Tampa's games were 3 of them.

His team being $700 million more valuable doesn’t mean he made $700 million in profit. That’s not how it works unless he suddenly turned around and sold the team immediately and the evaluation matched with a real life offer.

It’s not that Brady coming back isn’t profitable for him. It’s that it’s not maximizing his assets if to get him back he has to spend real cash money on a bunch of players to get him back. That’s it.

Also he can be plain dumb as well.

 

[amfootball]

His team being $700 million more valuable doesn’t mean he made $700 million in profit. That’s not how it works unless he suddenly turned around and sold the team immediately.

Are you seriously saying it is MORE profitable for the Bucs to NOT have Brady than having him???

 

[1960Pats]

...yes. Because it was a very very good investment because the Bucs were kind of a distressed asset. And it’s paid off. There are now diminishing returns in trying to keep it together especially if Brady is gone in one year and you’re stuck with the other long term deals. This isn’t that hard to understand and I have never taken an economics course. Again, I agree it sucks. Yes it would still make them a profit. They don’t care because greater profits can possibly be found elsewhere when these sports teams are nothing but an item in the portfolio. Stop thinking like a football fan because the Glazers aren’t.

That's a great take. An owner could think he's going to get a 20% return on an investment and when he gets 12% he calls it an 8% loss. I think I heard Kraft talk like that before too.

 

[VectorPrime]

That's a great take. An owner could think he's going to get a 20% return on an investment and when he gets 12% he calls it an 8% loss. I think I heard Kraft talk like that before too.

Yeah you can’t look at this through the prism of a sports fans. And especially with the Glazers who truly don’t care about their teams. Kraft is at least legitimately a fan even if money considerations come first. But when we’re talking about the ultra rich, the multi billionaire class, it’s just a different world from ours and they treat money and the pursuit of more money in a way we just can’t. In many ways these ultra rich people act similarly to professional gamblers in how they treat investments vs returns.

 

[sb1]

Von Miller: I'll be a Bronco forever, I'm just working in L.A. right now

Von Miller is about to play in the Super Bowl with the Rams, but in his heart he says he's still with the team he won his first Super Bowl playing for.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Wish Tom said this about the Patriots but I guess it's not a surprise he hasn't.

 

[amfootball]

Von Miller: I'll be a Bronco forever, I'm just working in L.A. right now

Von Miller is about to play in the Super Bowl with the Rams, but in his heart he says he's still with the team he won his first Super Bowl playing for.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Wish Tom said this about the Patriots but I guess it's not a surprise he hasn't.

The Patriots did not make him feel that way. Tampa did. It is a damn shame and one that Bob/Bill own fully.

 

[RicoG]

Tom Brady doesn't rule out eventual NFL return: ’Never say never’ - Sports Illustrated

His answer was not “no.”

www.si.com

So what are you really saying Tommy? There's a 1% chance? Middle of the season comeback perhaps?

 

[VectorPrime]

I honestly can’t decide if Brady coming back for some team mid season and leading them to a super bowl would be considered good or bad for his legacy. It’s unprecedented for sure, but the ring chasing label would definitely apply.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

The Patriots did not make him feel that way. Tampa did. It is a damn shame and one that Bob/Bill own fully.

Tampa was a desperate organization - what did you expect them to do?

NE lost 2 years with Brady going to TB - big deal. The team wasn't equipped to win a super bowl with him anyway.

 

[amfootball]

Tampa was a desperate organization - what did you expect them to do?

NE lost 2 years with Brady going to TB - big deal. The team wasn't equipped to win a super bowl with him anyway.

Your avatar is a JOKE like all your posts.

 

[Guts]

Tom Brady doesn't rule out eventual NFL return: ’Never say never’ - Sports Illustrated

His answer was not “no.”

www.si.com

So what are you really saying Tommy? There's a 1% chance? Middle of the season comeback perhaps?

Nah I think it's just a week into his retirement and the superbowl is coming up that that competitive itch is still in there. I'm sure he's done

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Your avatar is a JOKE like all your posts.

Hey look at you - you changed your avatar from Bucs

 

[amfootball]

Hey, at least you changed your from a Bucs avatar lol

I posted it because it was what Brady used for his retirement avatar. Then obviously changed to the GOAT avatar for the long term. When are you changing your JOKE avatar?

 

[sb1]

I honestly can’t decide if Brady coming back for some team mid season and leading them to a super bowl would be considered good or bad for his legacy. It’s unprecedented for sure, but the ring chasing label would definitely apply.

The Bucs also own his rights so if he comes back it will be with Tampa.

I think he's done but just hypothetically I think his window to change his mind realistically closes around mid season. I don't think a 2023 return at age 46 with a year off will turn out very well.

 

[amfootball]

Brady talking about a possible return during SB week is really poor form from him.