Steve Belichick Is The Best Playcaller Available

[Tunescribe]

The players probably DO know, even if it's a bit more murky from the outside.

I think it's BS the players were "confused" who was calling the shots.

This narrative is probably coming from a player who has played like crap and is looking to blame someone/something instead of their ****ty play.

Please

From what I've gathered it wasn't a matter of players being confused or not knowing who called the shots, but that the defense wasn't consistently managed by one "authority" in the role of DC. Supposedly it was Mayo/Steve in the beginning, BB after the Dallas fiasco until the bye, then Mayo/Steve again.

 

[RobertWeathers]

From what I've gathered it wasn't a matter of players being confused or not knowing who called the shots, but that the defense wasn't consistently managed by one "authority" in the role of DC. Supposedly it was Mayo/Steve in the beginning, BB after the Dallas fiasco until the bye, then Mayo/Steve again.

Yep - thats what i'm commenting on and i'm not buying it.

They fell apart because the pass rush collapsed, LB play was poor vs the run and slow and secondary is lousy at man and were exposed.

There might have been some coaching faux pas but not enough to lead to the collapse IMO

 

[Tunescribe]

Yep - thats what i'm commenting on and i'm not buying it.

They fell apart because the pass rush collapsed, LB play was poor vs the run and slow and secondary is lousy at man and were exposed.

There might have been some coaching faux pas but not enough to lead to the collapse IMO

I know what you're saying -- mounting injuries, older players running out of gas, etc. would seem to account for most of the decline. The coaching issue, though, has been broached by Bedard/Curran/Reiss/Perry/Perillo/others so there might be something to it.

 

[libra957]

Steve certainly didn't do a good job against the Bills.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I know what you're saying -- mounting injuries, older players running out of gas, etc. would seem to account for most of the decline. The coaching issue, though, has been broached by Bedard/Curran/Reiss/Perry/Perillo/others so there might be something to it.

I don't disagree that coaching mistakes (game plans, adjustments, calls, etc) led to some bad outcomes on the field and perhaps there were more mistakes than in years past due to inexperience, etc. What I don't subscribe to is the primary reason for losing 4 of 5 is coaching.

 

[captain stone]

I don't disagree that coaching mistakes (game plans, adjustments, calls, etc) led to some bad outcomes on the field and perhaps there were more mistakes than in years past due to inexperience, etc. What I don't subscribe to is the primary reason for losing 4 of 5 is coaching.

I don't believe it was the primary reason for 1-4 either; as in most cases it was the insufficiency of both starting & depth talent that eventually resulted in the PO loss, and that's another subject entirely... However a case can easily be made that a combination of coaching, carelessness, concentration lapses and just plain ****ups prevented us from going 3-1 after the bye.

 

[Hyped]

Yep - thats what i'm commenting on and i'm not buying it.

They fell apart because the pass rush collapsed, LB play was poor vs the run and slow and secondary is lousy at man and were exposed.

There might have been some coaching faux pas but not enough to lead to the collapse IMO

But ZERO punts forced in two games against the Bills? I don't know...give me 11 guys off the street...I think I could force the Bills to at least ONE punt and allow under 40 points....

 

[TheRainMaker]

We need a philosophy change on D. Going on 4 years now they have a weak front 7 who can’t stop the run and collapsed in 2019 and 2021. They are so slow, it’s rare to see gang tackling. Their D is way too conservative on obvious passing downs.

 

[RobertWeathers]

But ZERO punts forced in two games against the Bills? I don't know...give me 11 guys off the street...I think I could force the Bills to at least ONE punt and allow under 40 points....

Who knows.

 

[RobertWeathers]

We need a philosophy change on D. Going on 4 years now they have a weak front 7 who can’t stop the run and collapsed in 2019 and 2021. They are so slow, it’s rare to see gang tackling. Their D is way too conservative on obvious passing downs.

Last 6 years we finish 1st, 5th 7th, 1st, 7th and 3rd in points allowed and we need a philosophy change?

The scheme is fine.

The personnel is not.

The personnel make the scheme go.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Last 6 years we finish 1st, 5th 7th, 1st, 7th and 3rd in points allowed and we need a philosophy change?

The scheme is fine.

The personnel is not.

The personnel make the scheme go.

I don’t like points per game. Buffalo had the best ranked D, but I don’t think their D was that good. They got humiliated vs KC.

Most knew the Pats D was flawed (lack of speed, can’t stop the run and no second outside CB) and got exposed vs Buffalo twice. Each meeting got worse. And they didn’t do well against top offenses in normal weather.

 

[Simpelton]

Nobody does well against top offenses in normal weather.

That's.... why they're top offenses.

If a top 10 defense gets beat by a top 10 offense, that's not instant evidence of some glaring structural hole in the defense. it's just any given Sunday. Run it 10 times maybe the defense comes out on top 4-5. Just didn't that day.

 

[venecol]

If a top 10 defense gets beat by a top 10 offense, that's not instant evidence of some glaring structural hole in the defense. it's just any given Sunday. Run it 10 times maybe the defense comes out on top 4-5. Just didn't that day.

What if the top 10 O beats the top 10 D twice in 3 weeks with a point total of 80 - 38?

Is that evidence of a structural hole in the D or just any given Saturday & Sunday?

Or maybe nobody should still be worried about the Bills since as you put it:

"The performance against the Colts is that of a team with no plan and no self belief. Frankly if that's the best they can do I think the Bills are in for a freefall to end the season. They just gave us the division by coming out super flat against the Colts and I don't think they're going to get it back."

 

[Simpelton]

What if the top 10 O beats the top 10 D twice in 3 weeks with a point total of 80 - 38?

that has nothing to do with it. Each game is its own animal.

Also the fact that we were beat twice bty the same offence might just mean -- drumroll puhleeze....

Spoiler: badabadabadabada

that that offense is good.

 

[DaBruinz]

It’s a hard topic to make judgement about. Did we ever really know how much control Steve Belichick had over the defense? Was he really calling all of the plays or was Bill the guiding hand the entire time?

The narrative seemed to flip flop. When we were off to a bad start it was supposedly Steve calling the shots, when we were on a winning streak it was Bill being fully in control, then we start playing poorly and it was all Steve’s fault again. Unless a player has spoken about it or there was inside information it’s hard to know how much blame needs to go on Steve or Bill.

The nepotism aspect is definitely a legit concern if Steve isn’t very good at his job though. But I don’t like to rake him over the coals when, for half the season, we were saying Bill had taken full control of the defense.

While we don't know for certain, the article I posted regarding the fact that Bill supposedly took over the defense for the 7 game win streak and then gave it back to Steve and Mayo and we saw the results.

ROFLMAO. People who think that Nepotism is a concern haven't paid attention to people like Dante commenting on it. Belichick evaluates every coach the same way. And it doesn't matter WHO it is.

A lot will be determined by McDaniels moving on and who goes with him, though I doubt it will be many since our coaching staff is so young after Ivan fears. Only Steve B and Nick Caley have 5+ years of coaching experience.

 

[DaBruinz]

If that hasn't been the case then the question is why don't the players know who's in charge?

Read the article in the thread I posted. Steve AND Mayo were given equal say in the defense. And they couldn't make it work. The question becomes why couldn't they make it work when BB at the controls could make it work?

My belief is that Steven isn't a good DC. He's an excellent DBs coach. I'm not so sure about his ability to coach the OLBs. What was clear during games is that players such as Van Noy were doing their own thing both before and after the 7 games that BB was in control.

I think that MAYO is an excellent LB coach. And many clearly believe he'd make an excellent HC with the number of interviews. The question is whether or not he can be a DC.. Some people can't. Just like some people make excellent Coordinators, but horrible HCs.

 

[DaBruinz]

Appears I am in the minority but I wouldn't mind seeing Steve go make his bones elsewhere at this point. There's issues on the defense and some of that has to fall to him. I get that "it's a player's game" but there's some culpability to whoever is in charge of it.

I agree that Steve would be well served to spend some time in another organization or two.. though I think we'll find that he's best served as a position coach or a scout, but the experience will help him..

 

[DaBruinz]

Knowing that unqualified crap like Little Stewie, Can't Assford, Mickey Lombardi & Brick aren't going anywhere for awhile is depressing as Hell.

Knowing that the unqualified crap you post isn't going anywhere is depressing as hell.

 

[DaBruinz]

Wrong.


WRONG.


And ARE YOU COMPLETELY OUT OF YOUR ****ING MIND wrong.

These ALL apply to you, not to @Simpelton.

- It's a FACT that the Safeties and DBs were excellently coached by Steve Belichick when he was their position coach. DMac and others have said as much.

- It's a FACT that the group performed excellently during games with Steven as their position coach.

While I don't necessarily agree that Steven would be a DC, contrary to YOUR spewing, he put in the time, spending 4 years as a coaching assistant before EARNING the job as the coach for DBs.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I don't believe it was the primary reason for 1-4 either; as in most cases it was the insufficiency of both starting & depth talent that eventually resulted in the PO loss, and that's another subject entirely... However a case can easily be made that a combination of coaching, carelessness, concentration lapses and just plain ****ups prevented us from going 3-1 after the bye.

A def case can be made no question.