Game Day Thread Official Pats at Bills Playoff Pregame Discussion Thread

[SVN]

In the last game Buffalo's strategy was clearly to pick us apart with quick short throws and it worked for three quarters of the game. I think it caught us off guard because that's not exactly Allen's forte but he executed it well that day.

From what i read and saw, it seemed our Gameplan was fine . We just didnt play it well. Like letting singeltary run over dugger or hightower for a 7 yard gain when he could be stopped at 3. What happened in game 2 with long multiplay drives arent common. Bills kept doing it successfully and our D played a part in it.

 

[Rob0729]

Lazar during the game lamented the game plan putting bryant on an island with this fast guy and not adjusting all game.

Bryant didn't have a good game and he did get burned at times. But there were plays that had good coverage, but because there was no pressure or late pressure on Allen that McKenzie could get open running a crossing pattern 20 yards down the field. That means that Bryant had to cover McKenzie for 30-40 yards which is a lot for any d-back for a fast slot receiver.

 

[gitgronked82]

From what i read and saw, it seemed our Gameplan was fine . We just didnt play it well. Like letting singeltary run over dugger or hightower for a 7 yard gain when he could be stopped at 3. What happened in game 2 with long multiplay drives arent common. Bills kept doing it successfully and our D played a part in it.

I don’t agree, I think our schemes did lose. Early on Allen was comfortable finding weaknesses in our zone, and then we played outside leverage man and we got beat by leverage and speed

 

[gitgronked82]

Bryant didn't have a good game and he did get burned at times. But there were plays that had good coverage, but because there was no pressure or late pressure on Allen that McKenzie could get open running a crossing pattern 20 yards down the field. That means that Bryant had to cover McKenzie for 30-40 yards which is a lot for any d-back for a fast slot receiver.

I don’t think a 20 yard crosser is such a long-developing route that pass rush gets blamed for it. That route can be thrown in 3 seconds or less and can hit fairly quickly. I get the pass rush thing if we’re seeing guys extended their routes, Allen going through his full progression every play, etc.
But I think that crosser was often one of his first two reads and is a fairly quick throw

 

[Marko]

That tells me Allen doesn't even need to step into his throws. He can fling a line drive 35 yards just with his arm. When he steps in, he throws lasers.

I was actually trying to reply to the route chart of McKenzie with all the long crossing patterns, that is linked at the bottom.

 

[upstater1]

From what i read and saw, it seemed our Gameplan was fine . We just didnt play it well. Like letting singeltary run over dugger or hightower for a 7 yard gain when he could be stopped at 3. What happened in game 2 with long multiplay drives arent common. Bills kept doing it successfully and our D played a part in it.

I thought Dugger was out that game?

 

[gitgronked82]

I was actually trying to reply to the route chart of McKenzie with all the long crossing patterns, that is linked at the bottom.

Ah yeah I had posted that too. Here

 

[venecol]

That was in part because the Pats played a soft zone much of the first three quarters. They took what the Pats gave them.

Watching the Warner video, every successful play he showed was when Pats were on man, so not sure what you're saying.

 

[gitgronked82]

Watching the Warner video, every successful play he showed was when Pats were on man, so not sure what you're saying.

Yeah, we did come out in zone but that didn’t last too long and our man schemes got shredded.

 

[Ring 6]

In other words he is a rookie.

One of the best rookie seasons ever by a qb. Who would you put ahead of him? Especially when everyone complains he has no weapons. What rookie QB led a more productive offense?

 

[jdlboot14]

Jonnu Smith has done nothing all year. I think you are talking Kendrick Bourne who was on the COVID list that week and was used sparingly.

I know Bourne was somewhat limited that 2nd Bills game, but I was talking about Smith. They've used him very poorly IMO. We could argue Smith stinks but I don't think he suddenly can't play after his recent years in TEN. They just haven't spent time working him into the game plans. They give him a jet sweep or screen pass once in a while, and that's it. I wish they would play Smith in Harry's role. He's as fast, probably quicker, bigger, can block. We better not see Harry on the field this week.

 

[sb1]

Wynn ruled out.

Well there's a bunch of flags that will stay in the refs pocket. Lol

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Wynn out? What will we do without our Ironman?

 

[gitgronked82]

Please… please trent LT onwenu RT.

 

[Mack Herron]

It could have been worse.

 

[Ring 6]

I know Bourne was somewhat limited that 2nd Bills game, but I was talking about Smith. They've used him very poorly IMO. We could argue Smith stinks but I don't think he suddenly can't play after his recent years in TEN. They just haven't spent time working him into the game plans. They give him a jet sweep or screen pass once in a while, and that's it. I wish they would play Smith in Harry's role. He's as fast, probably quicker, bigger, can block. We better not see Harry on the field this week.

Playing a TE in a WR role changes the look you get. The reason running with lighter personnel can work is that you are running against lighter personnel. Its like saying replace him with an OL, it changes the equation.

 

[Rob0729]

Well, the fact they have only ruled Wynn out is a positive sign for the rest of the starters. I can live with Wynn being out if Dugger, Barmore, and Collins all play and are at least somewhat effective. Only like a half an hour to activate Mills off of the COVID list. I think it may be doubtful he is getting off before the game.

 

[Rob0729]

Watching the Warner video, every successful play he showed was when Pats were on man, so not sure what you're saying.

He only showed like four plays. But they did about half and half of man and zone. Someone else said it was about 47% man based on the snap count. But they played off the line a lot in both.

 

[chasa]

my keys of the game:

1.) harry = healthy scratch, wilkerson brought up
2.) the defense causes at least one punt.
3.) 200+ yards on the ground
4.) Mac lands 2 bombs off play action

 

[gitgronked82]

Playing a TE in a WR role changes the look you get. The reason running with lighter personnel can work is that you are running against lighter personnel. Its like saying replace him with an OL, it changes the equation.

but once you consider that harry is no more athletic than jonnu, it doesn't really change the equation too much. it would be different if the defense had to commit to putting a true cover corner on nkeal with a safety shading over the top.