Black Monday thread: the NFL Coaching Carousel

[Ring 6]

Agree with that. Bob wants synergy and succession plans.

I’d lean toward blowing it up.
It’s like latching in to Beatlemania when the Beatles break up instead of finding something new.
Trying to slide someone in do what belichick does would be a disaster. The intricacy of how he handles every detail and the football mind he has just can’t be filled in for.
Go find the next belichick and let him do it his own way.

 

[Nehalem]

That's what they said about Flores. Anyway, there's more established coaches like Bienemy, Bowles, Leftwich to meet that criteria.

But more established coaches are probably less interested in being a "Rooney rule interview".

Mayo is probably more willing to be that guy to raise his profile.

Also, as an owner, if you aren't really interested in Bowles/Leftwitch/Bienemy, but still want to fulfill the rooney rule it makes sense to bring in a unknown guy like Mayo. Its more likely he would surprise you, and so its less of a wasted interview.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I’d lean toward blowing it up.
It’s like latching in to Beatlemania when the Beatles break up instead of finding something new.
Trying to slide someone in do what belichick does would be a disaster. The intricacy of how he handles every detail and the football mind he has just can’t be filled in for.

Agree. It's not attainable. But keeping the established culture in place and operational model and philosophical model in place is highly desirable.

I liken it to what the 49ers did after Walsh left. They weren't replacing Walsh's brain they bring in Seifert to maintain the culture and he kept his hand on the steering wheel. Once the org got sour with him they bought in Mariucci for more energy and kept it going and used McVay and Walsh to keep it going.

Go find the next belichick and let him do it his own way.

Easier said than done.

 

[Ring 6]

Agree. It's not attainable. But keeping the established culture in place and operational model and philosophical model in place is highly desirable.

I liken it to what the 49ers did after Walsh left. They weren't replacing Walsh's brain they bring in Seifert to maintain the culture and he kept his hand on the steering wheel. Once the org got sour with him they bought in Mariucci for more energy and kept it going and used McVay and Walsh to keep it going.

Easier said than done.

From everything I’ve read belichick has so much attention to detail and such a work ethic that it would be impossible to expect anyone to do it his way. And the level of knowledge is another whole facet.
So the question becomes are you better with a watered down version or a different plan?

I think there will never be another belichick, what I meant is find the right guy to turn it over too.
After working with Belichick for over 20 years and seeing how he operates and how his mind works, Kraft should be uniquely qualified to find a replacement.
I’d rather have a guy with Belichicks qualities than a guy who will copy belichick.

 

[RobertWeathers]

From everything I’ve read belichick has so much attention to detail and such a work ethic that it would be impossible to expect anyone to do it his way. And the level of knowledge is another whole facet.
So the question becomes are you better with a watered down version or a different plan?
I think there will never be another belichick, what I meant is find the right guy to turn it over too.
After working with Belichick for over 20 years and seeing how he operates and how his mind works, Kraft should be uniquely qualified to find a replacement.
I’d rather have a guy with Belichicks qualities than a guy who will copy belichick.

I hear you. Personally, i'd do whatever is possible to replicate the current model. Once it becomes obsolete or cannot be staffed with the right talent to execute then blow it up.

 

[Ring 6]

I hear you. Personally, i'd do whatever is possible to replicate the current model. Once it becomes obsolete or cannot be staffed with the right talent to execute then blow it up.

Tough call.

 

[signbabybrady]

I hear you. Personally, i'd do whatever is possible to replicate the current model. Once it becomes obsolete or cannot be staffed with the right talent to execute then blow it up.

Spot on

 

[Froob]

I don’t agree with that. I’m not saying be sucked, but he didn’t “achieve” anything.
maybe I just have a different idea of how an organization works, but I just have never seen an organization that judges leaders on a curve of it’s ok to not excel.
He wasn’t hired to miss the playoffs 3 straight years and he wasn’t hired to not fit in with management or whatever euphemism is being used for his bosses not feeling he could deliver what they want.
How is starting the year 1-7 losing to Jacksonville and Atlanta and burying your playoff chances “hitting the mark”?
Do you think Miami did, or should expect a 1-7 start a game and a half step backward and not making the playoffs and call that “the mark”?

I could agree he didn’t fail miserably and prove he is incapable, but he didn’t do anything to prove he is the answer.
Mediocre, average coaches get fired, and rightfully so. Coaching hires are shots at a home run, not hoping for ok. It’s a ridiculously competitive role and I guarantee you that no coach will be hired this year with the expectation that missing the playoffs his first 3 years is a success at any level and all would expect they probably are gone if that happens unless they are building a culture and a strong focussed organization, which they felt he wasn’t.
If you are going to be at philosophical odds with your boss you better not have to make excuses for why they should consider mediocrity greatness.

What was he supposed to achieve lol? Dolphins roster isn’t exactly Star studded.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

When BB leaves we don't need a zombie coaching staff shuffling along imitating the past in undead fashion. I think the Kraft family is well positioned to know what they need and select a new vigorous leader who knows the game and can orchestrate game plans for offense, defense plus player selection, development and player game motivation.

 

[Ring 6]

What was he supposed to achieve lol? Dolphins roster isn’t exactly Star studded.

At least make the playoffs by the 3rd year of your program when 14/32 get in.
I would absolute say that a coach who cannot take over and make his team one of the 43% best within 3 years, failed.
I’ll say what I said before, if in his interview he said we will be 24-25 and not make the playoffs in my first 3 years but it will be because you didn’t give me good players, do you think he gets hired? Oh, and by the way I won’t be getting along with my boss.

 

[venecol]

What was he supposed to achieve lol? Dolphins roster isn’t exactly Star studded.

He was supposed to turn water into wine after they traded or cut their pro bowlers and picked the wrong QB in the draft. None of which were his decisions.

 

[captain stone]

That's what they said about Flores. Anyway, there's more established coaches like Bienemy, Bowles, Leftwich to meet that criteria.

Don't remember if it was said as much about Flores, who had just completed a SB-winning season as de-facto DC... These past 2-1/2 seasons, on the other hand, have been defined by the under-achievement & choke-artistry of the boogermen... I wouldn't touch Mayo (& Especially Little Steven) with a 10-foot pole.

 

[scout]

Mullet Boy will leave once Bill is done.

He needs to cut that freaking thing. Drives me nuts.

It may be a reason why Rob Ryan was never hired.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It may be a reason why Rob Ryan was never hired.

That and he drinks like a fish.

 

[signbabybrady]

Joe Judge fired

 

[XLIX]

Joe Judge fired

No surprise. No GM is going to want to inherit that lame duck HC. He will want his own man.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

No surprise. No GM is going to want to inherit that lame duck HC. He will want his own man.

You're telling me a guy who was never a DC or OC led a losing team? Shocked

 

[ashley]

Joe Judge fired

Maybe bring him back as ST coach next year...our ST were really good with him as the coach, we certainly didn't have issues with blocked punts.

 

[Bill Lee]

Maybe bring him back as ST coach next year...our ST were really good with him as the coach, we certainly didn't have issues with blocked punts.

I came here to read this.

 

[Bill Lee]

More on Judge firing:




Seems he's being harshly Judged...