Black Monday thread: the NFL Coaching Carousel

[Huckleberry1]

Would think he has to leave eventually and make his name elsewhere.

Why?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Would think he has to leave eventually and make his name elsewhere.

Yea but I don't think he'll jump until hes out of the game. Too much job security and something to learn.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Because they don't think Bill would let him go? It's not like other teams haven't been poaching coordinators from Bill's staff forever. There must be another reason.

Because he won't go.

 

[Scotty]

Why?

Even though you have learned from the best in the game I would still like someone who has tasted another menu

 

[captain stone]

I'd bring all 3 to Foxborough for an interview... Can't be any worse than whom we have at those positions now...

 

[captain stone]

Teams are interviewing Mayo, so that's not an excuse.

Mere Rooney Rule compliance, nothing more.

 

[Froob]

Ross’ judgment aside, the point was Flores was hired to coach the dolphins and the result wasn’t SUCCESS, really in no reasonable definition.
I don’t think any owner would make a hire defining the expectations as successful being 24-25, no playoffs and discord among the management team.

He overachieved every year but, this year when he probably about hit the mark.

 

[venecol]

Because he won't go.

Huh? Why wouldn't he want to try something different and make his own mark instead of operating under Bill's shadow?

Shanahan, Mora, Ryan, Bowden, Schottenheimer, Phillips, Shula, Holtz, Kiffin are just a few names of sons that went on to coach other teams.

 

[venecol]

Mere Rooney Rule compliance, nothing more.

That's what they said about Flores. Anyway, there's more established coaches like Bienemy, Bowles, Leftwich to meet that criteria.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Even though you have learned from the best in the game I would still like someone who has tasted another menu

Fair enough, I’m fine with him continuing to learn on this staff but it’s a fair point.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Because he won't go.

I agree. teams aren’t looking at him because they know he’s sticking with N.E.

 

[Scotty]

Fair enough, I’m fine with him continuing to learn on this staff but it’s a fair point.

I agree with you it must be a dream for any young upcoming coach to be learning from the best in the game , (and be around other coaches like Ivan Fears) and be located for such a great programme and organisation.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Huh? Why wouldn't he want to try something different and make his own mark instead of operating under Bill's shadow?

Shanahan, Mora, Ryan, Bowden, Schottenheimer, Phillips, Shula, Holtz, Kiffin are just a few names of sons that went on to coach other teams.

Every situation is different and depends on the circumstances.

For example, Brian Schotts fetched coffee in KC for his dad. Left once Marty left KC. Followed his dad once he landed in WAS for a year. Re-joined him once Marty landed in SD. Once Marty was done in SD he went to the NYJ.

Lane was never with Monte.

David moved on b/c he and Marino didn't get along.

Wade moved on when Bum retired

Rex and Rob left AZ once Buddy got the axe.

Kyle left WAS when Shanny Sr was wacked but started out on his own.

My point is most sons leave their dads once the dad leaves the team he was coaching.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I agree. teams aren’t looking at him because they know he’s sticking with N.E.

Mullet Boy will leave once Bill is done.

He needs to cut that freaking thing. Drives me nuts.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Mullet Boy will leave once Bill is done.

He needs to cut that freaking thing. Drives me nuts.

Im not sure about that. If MacDaniels takes over for Belichick I think we could see the entire organization stay in place initially. After that we could see changes piecemeal. I think this is what the Kraft’s are hoping for overall. Whether or not MacDaniels can become a good head coach or not is an open question, but he has certainly had the opportunity to learn and develop from the GOAT.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Im not sure about that. If MacDaniels takes over for Belichick I think we could see the entire organization stay in place initially. After that we could see changes piecemeal. I think this is what the Kraft’s are hoping for overall. Whether or not MacDaniels can become a good head coach or not is an open question, but he has certainly had the opportunity to learn and develop from the GOAT.

Maybe. Not sure what would happen there.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Maybe. Not sure what would happen there.

I’m not either but I think stability in transition is the goal the Kraft’s have in mind.

 

[Ring 6]

He overachieved every year but, this year when he probably about hit the mark.

I don’t agree with that. I’m not saying be sucked, but he didn’t “achieve” anything.
maybe I just have a different idea of how an organization works, but I just have never seen an organization that judges leaders on a curve of it’s ok to not excel.
He wasn’t hired to miss the playoffs 3 straight years and he wasn’t hired to not fit in with management or whatever euphemism is being used for his bosses not feeling he could deliver what they want.
How is starting the year 1-7 losing to Jacksonville and Atlanta and burying your playoff chances “hitting the mark”?
Do you think Miami did, or should expect a 1-7 start a game and a half step backward and not making the playoffs and call that “the mark”?

I could agree he didn’t fail miserably and prove he is incapable, but he didn’t do anything to prove he is the answer.
Mediocre, average coaches get fired, and rightfully so. Coaching hires are shots at a home run, not hoping for ok. It’s a ridiculously competitive role and I guarantee you that no coach will be hired this year with the expectation that missing the playoffs his first 3 years is a success at any level and all would expect they probably are gone if that happens unless they are building a culture and a strong focussed organization, which they felt he wasn’t.
If you are going to be at philosophical odds with your boss you better not have to make excuses for why they should consider mediocrity greatness.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I’m not either but I think stability in transition is the goal the Kraft’s have in mind.

Agree with that. Bob wants synergy and succession plans.

 

[Ring 6]

That's what they said about Flores. Anyway, there's more established coaches like Bienemy, Bowles, Leftwich to meet that criteria.

There seems to be a tendency to use the Rooney rule to identify coaches that are a few years away, targeting the next hire rather than the current.
There also seems to be an u written understanding that someone needs to interview each minority propsext and publicize the ones that “impress”.