A Frustrating Observation On N'Keal Harry

[DropKickFlutie]

In the 6 games Bennett and Gronk played together they were both productive.

Why would I publish something on a fan board hoping no one would notice? That is the stupidest, wacked-out, ass-backwards logic I have ever read.

Look at the personnel in STL. It all starts there.

Josh was OC in 05 and 06. Graham and Watson were both on the team.

If you didn't expect Allen to be a pass catcher then why do you think Josh didn't know how to use him in 2017 and 2018? Proof?

..because Smith came from a West Coast offense and is having a tough time learning this one. HH came from E/P. I don't expect you to know that because you take about 15 seconds to research something and immediately jump to a conclusion.

Yeah I know you keep repeating the E/P as if that explains things. Nope it doesn't. It's not hard to run what Jonnu's good at and doesn't require the west coast system conversion to understand how to run screens, quick outs, slants, play action routes.

Like I said don't bring up crappy examples again, of 1 TE and 1 blocking TE to somehow fake that the oc knows how to use 2 pass catching TEs. Dwayne Allen or Daniel Graham games or seasons, do not prove anything you claim that the oc can use 2 pass catching TEs.

And then we're back to Bennett. Again with the exception of Gronk being out most of a season, there is no good evidence of both of them being used successfully for a season.

Now you're scraping bottom of the barrel. The reason the personnel was crappy was because the oc simply doesn't value the TE position, again look at Denver'10, St Louis'11, New England 2019 and 2020. You can't keep pretending and blaming someone else. It's a clear pattern on the current oc

 

[Bruins29]

Ahhh DKF ruined another thread with his drivel.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Yeah I know you keep repeating the E/P as if that explains things. Nope it doesn't. It's not hard to run what Jonnu's good at and doesn't require the west coast system conversion to understand how to run screens, quick outs, slants, play action routes.

I know you don't understand it. E/P is a read-first offense. Get educated.

Like I said don't bring up crappy examples again, of 1 TE and 1 blocking TE to somehow fake that the oc knows how to use 2 pass catching TEs. Dwayne Allen or Daniel Graham games or seasons, do not prove anything you claim that the oc can use 2 pass catching TEs.

Daniel Graham was a better receiver than Allen. Again, why do think Josh sucked with Allen when you say he wasn't a pass-catcher?

And then we're back to Bennett. Again with the exception of Gronk being out most of a season, there is no good evidence of both of them being used successfully for a season.

They were both productive on the field together. That is a fact. Go back and read my post again. You just don't like it because it doesn't fit your ****ty narrative.

Now you're scraping bottom of the barrel. The reason the personnel was crappy was because the oc simply doesn't value the TE position, again look at Denver'10, St Louis'11, New England 2019 and 2020.

Josh didn't pick the players in STL. Not sure if you knew that. He was there for a year.

Josh didn't pick the players in NE in 19 and 20. You say he did but he didn't. You think Josh has some kind of spell over BB which is absolutely hysterical. Did Josh tell BB to draft Mac? He was at the combine. You seem to know.

Josh drafted Richard Quinn TE from UNC in the 2nd round in 2009. That shows he wanted 2TEs. That proves you wrong and you did not do your research. He ran the 2TE offense fine with Scheffer and Graham in 09. Both were productive.

You keep mixing Josh/personnel and Josh/OC when you shouldn't. You are all over the map.

You can't keep pretending and blaming someone else. It's a clear pattern on the current oc

Nope. Wrong. Pattern is the opposite and based on personnel at his disposal.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Ahhh DKF ruined another thread with his drivel.

Yea it's my fault. He commented on my post and i'm killing time until dinner is ready.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Ahhh

The fact RW is aligned with blowhard Bruins29, is excellent. It's so easy arguing with people who keep claiming the ludicrous argument that the oc knows how to use 2 pass catching tight ends, after Jonnu Smith just had 1 target and 1 catch last game, and his season production is down over half what the Titans did with him.

 

[Wozzy]

McD said something yesterday about Bourne playing faster than his timed speed and with a reckless abandon, I thought it's true and visible in the stats. If I had to fade one of Bourne or Meyers for being redundant, it would be tough to choose.

But I think they should get Wilkerson more involved. He has unique agility... like Edelman, Branch and others had. He can break ankles like Barry Sanders, if anyone can create "separation" it would be this guy. He also has decent size (6'1" 214), speed, explosion, has put on 14 pounds since he was a rookie so I'll assume he's much stronger... which he needed. In a league full of fast people, he has rare combination of size/agility... if his hands and head are right.

I'm putting my hope in the talent of others, not mourning the eggs that got broken making this omelette.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

McD said something yesterday about Bourne playing faster than his timed speed and with a reckless abandon, I thought it's true and visible in the stats. If I had to fade one of Bourne/Meyers for being redundant, it would be tough to choose.

But I think they should get Wilkerson more involved. He has unique agility... like Edelman, Branch and others had. He can break ankles like Barry Sanders, if anyone can create "separation" it would be this guy. He also has decent size (6'1" 214), speed, explosion, has put on 14 pounds since he was a rookie so I'll assume he's much stronger... which he needed. In a league full of fast people, he has rare combination of size/agility... if his hands are right.

I'm putting my hope in the talent of others, not mourning the eggs that got broken making this omelette.

Wilkerson looked great in pre-season.

Also makes a lot of sense that Meyers + Bourne be the wideouts in the red zone. Not Agholar. Meyers and Bourne are fast off the line and both good at getting open within 15 yards. Agholor's straight line speed isn't very helpful in the red zone.

 

[Wozzy]

Wilkerson looked great in pre-season.

Also makes a lot of sense that Meyers + Bourne be the wideouts in the red zone. Not Agholar. Meyers and Bourne are fast off the line and both good at getting open within 15 yards. Agholor's straight line speed isn't very helpful in the red zone.

Agreed, Agholor is a field stretcher.

Wilkerson looked good in the preseason except he started dropping passes, when he was consistently catching them he looked great. He could be really nasty in the slot, but is also just fast/big enough to play outside. If he caught that over the shoulder grab Sunday where he got hit on the head, he would have had a massive day for a first time player. He has enough natural talent to be special.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Agreed, Agholor is a field stretcher.

Wilkerson looked good in the preseason except he started dropping passes, when he was consistently catching them he looked great. He could be really nasty in the slot, but is also just fast/big enough to play outside. If he caught that over the shoulder grab Sunday where he got hit on the head, he would have had a massive day for a first time player. He has enough natural talent to be special.

Wilkerson looks real good. Agree. I love how good the Pats are at taking hard-working UDFA or low picks and making them really good players. The list is way too long to list. It's fantastic. And I don't care if Wilkerson makes NKeal look bad, just play who's the best for the team without playing weird crappy internal politics because someone advocated to take them so high so certain players keep getting extra chances (NKeal, Wynn).

 

[Zuma]

Holy crap...never thought I would ever see this. This is a sign of the apocalypse...

 

[Wozzy]

Wilkerson looks real good. Agree. I love how good the Pats are at taking hard-working UDFA or low picks and making them really good players. The list is way too long to list. It's fantastic. And I don't care if Wilkerson makes NKeal look bad, just play who's the best for the team without playing weird crappy internal politics because someone advocated to take them so high so certain players keep getting extra chances (NKeal, Wynn).

It will be ironic if they gel into a great group, that every WR on the roster besides Agholor was an UDFA.

 

[Wozzy]

Holy crap...never thought I would ever see this. This is a sign of the apocalypse...

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Right is right, regardless of the messenger.

 

[Zuma]

 

[RobertWeathers]

Right is right, regardless of the messenger.

I'd be careful about agreeing with him too much.

Agholor may have speed but the moniker of deep threat needs to be qualified.

He was a pretty consistent deep threat in OAK.

Philly not so much as he was more of an intermediate threat which is ok.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The fact RW is aligned with blowhard Bruins29, is excellent. It's so easy arguing with people who keep claiming the ludicrous argument that the oc knows how to use 2 pass catching tight ends, after Jonnu Smith just had 1 target and 1 catch last game, and his season production is down over half what the Titans did with him.

Your math is inaccurate on Smith. Once again, you need correcting. If you look at 2020 and his 2020, 2019, and 2018 3-year average it's more like 30% and 11% less than 2021. In addition if he has a 4/80yd day vs MIA, he would have hit his prior 3yr ave with TN. Maybe you hoped no one noticed just so you can further your **** narrative?

The problem with getting simple facts wrong- which you do consistently- is that posters tend not to believe more intricate assertions. I'd do more research if I were you since your board cred here is ****.

 

[SteveKiner]

Agreed, Agholor is a field stretcher.

Wilkerson looked good in the preseason except he started dropping passes, when he was consistently catching them he looked great. He could be really nasty in the slot, but is also just fast/big enough to play outside. If he caught that over the shoulder grab Sunday where he got hit on the head, he would have had a massive day for a first time player. He has enough natural talent to be special.

Not to sidetrack this thread, but I think he should have caught it. IMO, it was a drop. He looked good in the beginning of camp but started having drops. Hopefully , he can build upon this week. One reason, I didn't care for the Agholor signing was all the drops he had in Philly. I hope that Wilkerson can avoid the drops.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Your

Jonnu put up 4-500 yards two seasons in a row on the Titans. 8 TDs last year. What are his numbers now? Oh yeah keep deflecting because you have no point. Keep pretending that the oc knows how to use 2 TEs when this is not aligned to reality or facts. You're an organizational stooge here. It's obvious

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[Ochmed Jones]

Agular and Wilkerson both play the z wide receiver position.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Jonnu put up almost 500 yards two seasons in a row on the Titans. 8 TDs last year. What are his numbers now? Oh yeah keep deflecting because you have no point. Keep pretending that the oc knows how to use 2 TEs when this is not aligned to reality or facts.

Go look at his numbers. It's all right there. Do the math. Pull out a calculator for crissakes and be accurate and accountable for once on this board. It's ok to say you stretched the truth...Afraid?

You're an organizational stooge here. It's obvious

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Here it is! The world famous "Organizational stooge" call-out! You like that phrase don't you? That is your go-to name-calling phrase when another poster just kicked your ass in a debate or called you out for your garbage. You say it a lot so that makes sense.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Go look at his numbers. It's all right there

I'll say this very simply because you are a serial liar:
1. Jonnu Smith's production is way down this year because the oc has no clue how to use 2 pass catching TEs. But you want to deflect arguing whether it's exactly 2X lower or not. Got it . Organizational stooge.
2. The oc has never shown to use 2 pass catching TEs for a year. You citing seasons with a 2nd blocking TE does not dispel this in any way. And There's plenty of evidence he has no clue how to use TEs: St Louis'11, Denver'10, New England'19, New England'20.
3. You claim the Pats drafted well by citing a dozen crappy bench players and use this to say the Pats drafted great from 2013-2019.

Robertweathers = Organizational stooge.