Quote the Patriots' Play: STFU negative nancies

[Kasmir]

I think Brady's presence elevates a lot more than just the QB position. He's a leader and in a way a "coach" himself. That's why he did what he did with the Bucs. And his team would be built around him

No question that Tom elevates the play on offense. And just as importantly, he attracts talent because he is the GOAT winner. Gronk, AB, and Fournette joined Tampa to play with Tom. If Gronk and AB had played in 2019 we'd probably have another SB win. With Gronk and AB out Tampa looks mortal.

On defense, while the presence of Tom helps attract players because he's the GOAT, I don't think he affects play much at all. With the exception of BB-hater Assauntie Sammule, as far as I know not a single Pats dynasty defensive star has credited Tom with elevating their play, and several have clearly been peeved at the suggestion. Seymour, McGinest and Law etc shockingly believe they had more to do with the first SB win than Tom did.

 

[Rob0729]

Let's hear it for the "homers"

Well since we gotta wait two weeks for the Pats' next game, I figured I would give a shout out to all us homers who had to take a lot of crap this preseason and offseason because we subscribe to the philosophy of "In Bill We Trust". Kudos to everyone who stood by Belichick and Brady and...

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This is my favorite post in this thread.

Threads like this really make the thread starter look like a douche even though I know he isn't. No offense, Rob, as you know I often enjoy your posts.

Let's hear it for the "homers"

I thought I was being a homer setting the ceiling at 12-4. I'm always happy to be proven wrong by the Patriots, especially for a positive affect.

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I wonder who posted this. Sure you didn't like the thread even back then, but now you act like you always looked at me and that thread as a joke.

 

[amfootball]

No question that Tom elevates the play on offense. And just as importantly, he attracts talent because he is the GOAT winner. Gronk, AB, and Fournette joined Tampa to play with Tom. If Gronk and AB had played in 2019 we'd probably have another SB win. With Gronk and AB out Tampa looks mortal.

On defense, while the presence of Tom helps attract players because he's the GOAT, I don't think he affects play much at all. With the exception of BB-hater Assauntie Sammule, as far as I know not a single Pats dynasty defensive star has credited Tom with elevating their play, and several have clearly been peeved at the suggestion. Seymour, McGinest and Law etc shockingly believe they had more to do with the first SB win than Tom did.

Law has said on multiple occasions that when Tom entered the huddle the entire team chemistry changed and the defense wanted to play hard for him. If that is not elevating, I don't know what is.

In terms of Law and other defensive players chirping about the early SBs. They kind of have to but not because of Brady but because of Bill. So many of them won't get into the Hall or even considered because they are looked upon as a cog in Bill's defensive machine. It is unfortunate as so many were really talented and played at the highest level but they won't get the recognition. I think Seymour gets in and that's it which is a shame.

 

[Kontradiction]

I have never had a problem with a Brady thread on this board. The number of Brady or anti-Belichick threads on this board got out of hand at times and they needed to be combined into a catch all thread, but otherwise I don't care if people talk about Brady on this board.

Nice contradiction. “I never had a problem with the Brady threads. They were just out of hand.” Top 5 contradiction of all time.

I know you guys mention that people complained to the mods, but I am unaware of the details and don't want to get involved.

They did. They complained about it in the thread and I’m sure they complained about it via PM. It’s how one, single, catch-all thread turned into a sub-forum with multiple threads.

And I don't care if people are negative about this team as long as they are not doing to push their agenda. Again, there aren't many people who do it, but they can be insufferable when they do.

The issue is any “negativity,” which 99.999% of the time is just criticism of personnel issues (which each team has) is labeled negstivitu

And my "let's hear it for the homers" was clearly in part tongue in cheek because people pummeled the board homers for being optimistic about the team.

No, it wasn’t. Clearly. First rule of holes, Rob. Stop digging. Know why it’s clear? “I’d say I hate to pat myself on the back…” You we’re trying to rub peoples’ noses in it and then the team got bounced two weeks later because a lot of the criticisms of the “haters” and the “chicken littles” were, in fact, correct. And those personnel issues got exposed.

Try this on for size - admit you were wrong. It’s happened quite often. Here, I’ll give you my own example. I had this team at 8 wins because I didn’t see the QB play being this good out of the gates. They’re two wins away from matching that, 3 away from beating it, and they’re in the playoffs if the season ended today. It’s looking like I’m going to be wrong and I’ll gladly own it. There. See? It’s not that hard. It’s actually quite liberating. How about you give it a try? If you don’t want to go back 10 years, then we can go back one, to the “Brady is not a top 5 QB” discussion.

But it says something about you that you are tracking things I wrote in 2011.

But it says something about you that you are tracking things I wrote in 2011.

Not tracking it at all. One of the benefits of youth is a great memory. The board also has a good search feature. This thread reminds me of that one. This thread will equally ease the pain if this season doesn’t end in a Super Bowl win. Hopefully, the OP is as lucky as you are and has the mods close it for him if/when it’s bumped. But please, do tell me what that says about me?

BTW, the Pats went 14-2 in 2010.

Aaaaand what was the ending result?

 

[Kontradiction]

This is my favorite post in this thread.

Threads like this really make the thread starter look like a douche even though I know he isn't. No offense, Rob, as you know I often enjoy your posts.

Let's hear it for the "homers"

I thought I was being a homer setting the ceiling at 12-4. I'm always happy to be proven wrong by the Patriots, especially for a positive affect.

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I wonder who posted this. Sure you didn't like the thread even back then, but now you act like you always looked at me and that thread as a joke.

Someone’s feathers are ruffled. Don’t rage at me, bro. I didn’t post the thread. You did. Rage at yourself.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Blitzing on almost every down has me pulling my hair out.

They are getting decent pressure but through blitzing- not their front 4 or 5. Sack rate off too.

Injuries seem to have caught up to them.

 

[amfootball]

They are getting decent pressure but through blitzing- not their front 4 or 5. Sack rate off too.

Injuries seem to have caught up to them.

He just won't commit to playing coverage to help his wounded secondary at all. He wants the front to get home everytime which is a ridiculous ask especially vs a semi-mobile QB who can extend the play.

 

[RobertWeathers]

He just won't commit to playing coverage to help his wounded secondary at all. He wants the front to get home everytime which is a ridiculous ask especially vs a semi-mobile QB who can extend the play.

Hes impatient. Was with AZ. Was with the NYJ. Is now.

Stick to the Cover 2 and trust it.

 

[Rob0729]

Nice contradiction. “I never had a problem with the Brady threads. They were just out of hand.” Top 5 contradiction of all time.



They did. They complained about it in the thread and I’m sure they complained about it via PM. It’s how one, single, catch-all thread turned into a sub-forum with multiple threads.



The issue is any “negativity,” which 99.999% of the time is just criticism of personnel issues (which each team has) is labeled negstivitu



No, it wasn’t. Clearly. First rule of holes, Rob. Stop digging. Know why it’s clear? “I’d say I hate to pat myself on the back…” You we’re trying to rub peoples’ noses in it and then the team got bounced two weeks later because a lot of the criticisms of the “haters” and the “chicken littles” were, in fact, correct. And those personnel issues got exposed.

Try this on for size - admit you were wrong. It’s happened quite often. Here, I’ll give you my own example. I had this team at 8 wins because I didn’t see the QB play being this good out of the gates. They’re two wins away from matching that, 3 away from beating it, and they’re in the playoffs if the season ended today. It’s looking like I’m going to be wrong and I’ll gladly own it. There. See? It’s not that hard. It’s actually quite liberating. How about you give it a try? If you don’t want to go back 10 years, then we can go back one, to the “Brady is not a top 5 QB” discussion.




Not tracking it at all. One of the benefits of youth is a great memory. The board also has a good search feature. This thread reminds me of that one. This thread will equally ease the pain if this season doesn’t end in a Super Bowl win. Hopefully, the OP is as lucky as you are and has the mods close it for him if/when it’s bumped. But please, do tell me what that says about me?

I had problem with the threads getting out of control. The first page was dominated with Brady threads a lot of last season. Almost every thread turned into a Brady discussion.

And as for the as I stated back then, I clearly stated like I have have said in this thread. I have no problem with people being negative and that thread was for people with irrational hate or agendas. Here is a direct link to that post. I won't clog up this thread by reposting it. But I am consistent in my attitude towards negative posting from 2011 to 2021. I don't have a problem with legitimate criticism of this team.

Let's hear it for the "homers"

I thought I was being a homer setting the ceiling at 12-4. I'm always happy to be proven wrong by the Patriots, especially for a positive affect.

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And the results was far greater than the 3-4 win team that the Chicken Littles were predicting in September.

And you are a fraud. Your attitude toward the thread is clearly not what it is today. Your distaste for me now has skewed your view of it. At the time of that thread, you thought was a good poster. And you just admit that you go back to it whenever the Pats lose and you had to bring it out now a decade later. Congrats! I think this may make you in the top 5 most pathetic individuals I have ever experienced. I didn't think you would make it, but I relooked at the data and I feel you just squeak in.

 

[Rob0729]

Someone’s feathers are ruffled. Don’t rage at me, bro. I didn’t post the thread. You did. Rage at yourself.

I am not ruffled at all. But if someone is going to come at me in a message board, I am going to come right back at them. That is just how I am wired. I don't take anything personally though.

 

[Clonamery]

Let's hear it for the "homers"

Well since we gotta wait two weeks for the Pats' next game, I figured I would give a shout out to all us homers who had to take a lot of crap this preseason and offseason because we subscribe to the philosophy of "In Bill We Trust". Kudos to everyone who stood by Belichick and Brady and...

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The only good post is Box-o-Rocks'

 

[Kasmir]

Law has said on multiple occasions that when Tom entered the huddle the entire team chemistry changed and the defense wanted to play hard for him. If that is not elevating, I don't know what is.

In terms of Law and other defensive players chirping about the early SBs. They kind of have to but not because of Brady but because of Bill. So many of them won't get into the Hall or even considered because they are looked upon as a cog in Bill's defensive machine. It is unfortunate as so many were really talented and played at the highest level but they won't get the recognition. I think Seymour gets in and that's it which is a shame.

Huh? Even after Tom's SB win Ty reinforced his belief in BB:

Ty Law says Patriots dynasty is more about Bill Belichick than Tom Brady

Hall-of-Fame Patriots cornerback Ty Law said Bill Belichick was a bigger part of the franchise's dynasty than quarterback Tom Brady.

www.boston.com

 

[Rob0729]

Huh? Even after Tom's SB win Ty reinforced his belief in BB:

Ty Law says Patriots dynasty is more about Bill Belichick than Tom Brady

Hall-of-Fame Patriots cornerback Ty Law said Bill Belichick was a bigger part of the franchise's dynasty than quarterback Tom Brady.

www.boston.com

I always say the first dynasty era was more Belichick than Brady and the second era it was more Brady than Belichick, but they needed each other for the overall dynasty. There could be individual moments where that flipped like Brady being instrumental in the win against the Panthers in the Super Bowl or Belichick in the Super Bowl win against the Rams in the 2018 season.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

What gives me the most hope that this isn't some mirage is that the Pats could have won 3 of the 4 games they lost (not saying they SHOULD HAVE, but they certainly could have beaten Miami after pounding them for four quarters, could have beaten Tampa Bay with a made field goal of if the 3rd down pass wasn't blocked at the line, could have beaten the cowboys is the DPI was called on the guy who grabbed Agholor's face mask...woulda coulda shoulda).

But none of the games they've won could have gone the other way. Closest was the Chargers, and that was a 2-score game until the last few seconds - and the Pats outplayed them start to finish.

This is a damn good football team.

They're good. Right now they feel damn good. As everybody knows, after 4 losses it would look bad, or if it's 4 wins, they look great, and so on. I mean, we know things like probabilities, we can evaluate the play of individuals and how they perform together, and so on. And then, every game until the last one of the season, they play the game. Everybody remembers rolling into the SB after the 2007 season thinking, okay, it's never a sure thing, but this is as close as a done deal as anybody's ever seen... we drew the easiest out possible.

So I agree with you. I do agree they've done the right things to be in the position they are in, that is, in a position to win. I agree with you as a fan that they're a damn good team... but that's the mystical part of it all, it is a knife's edge, if any of us are ever honest on here. Being consistently on the right side of that knife's edge has been the hallmark of this team for a long time. It's good to see that awareness dawning on a post-Brady team. I think we are seeing that.

Like many here, I look forward to the final outcome. If we win out or close to it, this league is going to be very afraid of your New England Patriots. I wouldn't be psyched to see us in the postseason (meaning, from the point of view of another team) even if we drop a few more and somehow make it in.

 

[amfootball]

Huh? Even after Tom's SB win Ty reinforced his belief in BB:

Ty Law says Patriots dynasty is more about Bill Belichick than Tom Brady

Hall-of-Fame Patriots cornerback Ty Law said Bill Belichick was a bigger part of the franchise's dynasty than quarterback Tom Brady.

www.boston.com

Law was talking about Bill being able to coach longer than Brady can play. He was comparing Brady's job with Bill's job saying how Bill as the GM/coach has more overall control of the team. Of course. No debate there.

But you were referencing the change in the team in 2001. At least that is how I read your post as you were specifically talking about whether Brady elevated the defense. Law said this on multiple occasions that Brady changed the culture of that team when he stepped into the huddle and that the team felt more like a team whereas with Drew, it was more of Drew's show. When I think of a QB elevating a team, that is pretty much a textbook definition of it. BTW, the defensive guys in Tampa have said the same thing.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I meant my kids were 8 & 6, no way in holy hades I would have 11 kids, I would be crazier than I am now!

After being a lifelong Falcons fan and being let down over and over and over again, I always had a back up team. But this year when the Patriots drafted Mac Jones 1 of my all time favorite players, and the fact that the Patriots have great organization that knows how to win even though at the time they weren't, I felt it was time to make the leap.

I also have a ton of respect for BB as a coach. I like his no BS attitude with the press just like Saban. Kraft is a great owner who keeps is hands out of the day to day operation, unlike Blank. The Patriots have fans all over the country, not just their region, I like that too. I actually put a lot of thought in which team I wanted to support, this has been a long time coming. TBH I was leaning Raven with Ozzie was the GM because of my Bama loyalty, but there is too trash there.

Well, welcome. Different people deal with the down years different ways. I was transparent last year that when the Pats were getting thumped, and then when we were out of it, it was kind of cool to think of TB as our "retirement team," with the added benefit of also being able to say "ha ha!" if they lost. But nothing like having another real, edge of the seat rooting interest.

Like a lot of folks here, I sweated out this team close to all the way back to the beginning (I was only really aware from the late 60s on, more the 70s on if we're talking about more than "we won! Awww we lost .... ) We had some runs of hopelessness in there, though we weren't a consistent doormat as has happened to some franchises.

I never got a second rooting interest.... my interest in Tampa last year, ambivalent as it was, was the closest I ever got.

I wanted to be able to really revel in that super bowl, when we finally won one. Singular. And OMG, if we were to win TWO??? I would be set for life. It wasn't right to imagine THREE like the Cowboys of the 90s or whoever, and FOUR, like the old steelers, or FIVE across a long time like what, 13 years or something, like the 9ers did? OMG no human beings could make that happen. Starting with that first SB, the impossible dream was just to win one. My early experience was we just weren't a super-bowl-going team. Then we became a go-about-once-a-decade team. First time, I didn't want to go again if it was gonna be like THAT. Second time, I was like "oh thank God it was a real football game." 2001 was a long time coming and a very sweet feeling.

Guys "born into" the last 20 years are indeed a different fan base, and some have been showing their colors. You always knew it would happen. Shrug. I am sure they can make the argument that a REAL fan would ditch the Pats for their own good, then come back when they're doing well, you know, because they'll perform better with a disloyal fanbase.

Feh. Doesn't matter. We don't know them, they don't know us. The connection's irrational, so I guess there's no right way to fan.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

LOL... yeah, check out that stat line for 1970:

Joe Kapp Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft, College | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats for Joe Kapp. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, college, draft, and more on Pro-football-reference.com.

www.pro-football-reference.com

44.7% completions, 3 TDs, 17 INT's.

A clear case where statistics don't reflect how BAD he was. Passes used to tumble end over end. JOKER can back this up. I swear I saw a couple tumble sideways. I've thrown a lot of passes and I don't know how to do that.

EDIT: OK I just figured out how, assuming an NFL football acts like a small rubber little kids football.
WFT, I mean WTF tries to throw a baseball curve ball or sinker with a football???

 

[n6249c]

Fortunately Mac is

Mac and Hoyer are is already carrying the team; no way we reel off multiple 90+ yards drives without both their elite QB play. And if any rookie QB has ever been ready for playoff / Super Bowl pressure, it's Mac given his National Championship pedigree. Assuming he continues to improve, the sky is the limit this year given the team he's on and the coaching he's getting. Improbable yes, but no longer an impossible dream.

FIFY. Remember that last TD drive, and Meyer’s first TD, was Hoyer’s handiwork.

 

[PScottman]

nothing rhymes with Irmalinda?

In New England, every word that ends in -er works!

In a blendah?

On a bendah?

Return to sendah?

 

[Tony2046]

Several of you Brady Bunch guys have said the same thing. Nothing wrong with that. You're Brady fans. But don't pretend to be Patriots fans.

I guess I'm a Brady bunch guy. Brady and BB delivered so many great moments over the last twenty years. For awhile it seemed like I was heading up to Maine for yet another super bowl party every other year. I'll continue to watch Brady until he hangs them up. Not sure how that makes me not a Patriots fan.