Official Pregame Thread: Pats @ Panthers

[Pats2000]

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You have consistently shown to be an organizational stooge. Maybe lay off the forum and go get some more coffee for the staff.

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You're a broken record that literally no one else agrees with. You constantly pound the same argument against a wall, making yourself think you are doing something. But everyone knows that if you had any real skills at drafting, running a football team or doing any of the things you think you're the king at, you would be employed in football. Instead you're here on a forum telling everyone how a 6 time winning superbowl coach can't pick other coaches around him.

 

[Pats2000]

When you call anyone who disagrees with you an "organizational stooge" you are just diminishing your own credibility when you DO make an intelligent observation. Stick to the facts and try an avoid name calling. Just a thought,

I remind you even a stopped clock is right twice a day

 

[DropKickFlutie]

You're a one shot record that literally no one else agrees with. You constantly pound the same argument against a wall, making yourself think you are doing something. But everyone knows that if you had any real skills at drafting, running a football team or doing any of the things you think you're the king at, you would be employed in football. Instead you're here on a forum telling everyone how a 6 time winning superbowl coach can't pick other coaches around him.

Nope. Using the ring excuse doesn't gloss over the fact BB went a decade drought because the staff also had problems before. BB isn't infallible, he's excellent but relies on his staff as he can't evaluate every single thing on draft prospects or offense or defense. He's a manager. Now you're right if he keeps letting mediocre people stay on staff this ultimately does become his responsibility.

This was a 2-4 team recently until they fixed the OLine to exactly as some had been advocating for.

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[Pats2000]

Nope. Using the ring excuse doesn't gloss over the fact BB went a decade drought because the staff also had problems before. BB isn't infallible, he's excellent but relies on his staff as he can't evaluate every single thing on draft prospects or offense or defense. He's a manager. Now you're right if he keeps letting mediocre people stay on staff this ultimately does become his responsibility.

This was a 2-4 team recently until they fixed the OLine to exactly as some had been advocating for.

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They didn't have a decade drought, they were in 9 superbowls, a super bowl almost every other year. They just didn't win all of them. All you want to do is sh*t on the team. Go be a Chiefs fan so we don't have to hear your constant whining.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

They didn't have a decade drought, they were in 9 superbowls, a super bowl almost every other year. They just didn't win all of them. All you want to do is sh*t on the team. Go be a Chiefs fan so we don't have to hear your constant whining.

It's not whining, it's calling out multiple times the exact problems on the team. Stop pretending this recently 2-4 team doesn't have issues. This team hasn't been good since 2018.

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[PScottman]

the Panthers cannot just put Gilmore on the Pats' best receiver and lock him down and do significant damage to the offense if say you were defending against the Bengals where you will have him just shadow Ja'Marr Chase all game or Cooper Cupp for the Rams.

Post#1 often seen: Patriots need a #1 CB lock down corner to shut down these #1 WRs, make a team one dimensional.

Post#2 often seen: Patriots need a stud #1 WR that the QB can rely on to throw to all the time.

So we understand that making a QB uncomfortable and taking advantage of over-reliance on a single skill player can be good defensively while at the same time wanting to create the same exact paradigm that could be exploited against the Patriots' offense by overcommitting a significant amount of cap on a top WR that can be eliminated by said #1 CB (or even schematically)?

 

[Pats2000]

It's not whining, it's calling out multiple times the exact problems on the team. Stop pretending this recently 2-4 team doesn't have issues. This team hasn't been good since 2018.

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OMG, oh no, the pats haven't been good for a few years. There were stretches they were mediocre during Brady years too. It happens, it's part of the salary cap era. Other fans would kill to have a team that wasn't good like the Patriots. It's not going to be rainbows and ponies every year, so get over it already. You whine like a little school girl.

 

[Pats2000]

Post#1 often seen: Patriots need a #1 CB lock down corner to shut down these #1 WRs, make a team one dimensional.

Post#2 often seen: Patriots need a stud #1 WR that the QB can rely on to throw to all the time.

So we understand that making a QB uncomfortable and taking advantage of over-reliance on a single skill player can be good defensively while at the same time wanting to create the same exact paradigm that could be exploited against the Patriots' offense by overcommitting a significant amount of cap on a top WR that can be eliminated by said #1 CB (or even schematically)?

I've been pounding on that drum for years. What did having a star wideout get us in the Superbowl? 17 points and a loss to the Giants destroying a perfect season. Kill me. Give me 3 #2's and a couple #3's any day of the week and watch teams scramble to scheme against everyone.

 

[captain stone]

I've been pounding on that drum for years. What did having a star wideout get us in the Superbowl? 17 points and a loss to the Giants destroying a perfect season. Kill me. Give me 3 #2's and a couple #3's any day of the week and watch teams scramble to scheme against everyone.

We don't have any #2 WRs here either.

 

[ashley]

Good morning everyone, getting you ready for a Friday:

 

[Pats2000]

We don't have any #2 WRs here either.

Seriously, we have rookie QB who has been throwing mostly shot passes for the first 6 games. Here's what our receivers are on pace for:

Meyers - 900 yards
Bourne - 824 yards
Agholor - 711 yards
Henry - 681 yards

That sounds like 3 #2's to me.

 

[jdlboot14]

Seriously, we have rookie QB who has been throwing mostly shot passes for the first 6 games. Here's what our receivers are on pace for:

Meyers - 900 yards
Bourne - 824 yards
Agholor - 711 yards
Henry - 681 yards

That sounds like 3 #2's to me.

We won the SB with 3 (white) #2's - Edelman, Hogan, Amendola
Only issue is - these guys haven't fully mastered the craft or this system yet, like those 3 did.
And with Brady's mastery, they worked.
You don't need a OBJ to be "#1", if you have 3 very dedicated, smart, quick, clutch WR's. Not saying all these guys are that yet, but you can win with this model. (although I still think we need an Edelman-type, the safety blanket on 3rd down).

 

[captain stone]

Seriously, we have rookie QB who has been throwing mostly shot passes for the first 6 games. Here's what our receivers are on pace for:

Meyers - 900 yards
Bourne - 824 yards
Agholor - 711 yards
Henry - 681 yards

That sounds like 3 #2's to me.

Somebody has to catch the dam ball, but None of those dudes are #2-caliber NFL WRs.

 

[slash83]

Hopefully we get some good news on J Jackson.

 

[Pats2000]

Somebody has to catch the dam ball, but None of those dudes are #2-caliber NFL WRs.

Their yards would say otherwise, you're like a ball of emotion that doesn't understand facts.

 

[gitgronked82]

We won the SB with 3 (white) #2's - Edelman, Hogan, Amendola
Only issue is - these guys haven't fully mastered the craft or this system yet, like those 3 did.
And with Brady's mastery, they worked.
You don't need a OBJ to be "#1", if you have 3 very dedicated, smart, quick, clutch WR's. Not saying all these guys are that yet, but you can win with this model. (although I still think we need an Edelman-type, the safety blanket on 3rd down).

I think Jakobi is a good candidate for each of these. I would say he's a good safety blanket on 3rd down, and I would say he's gotten quite good in the system. I wouldn't think to put his mastery of the system behind Hogan's

 

[captain stone]

Their yards would say otherwise, you're like a ball of emotion that doesn't understand facts.

Did you not read the first part of my sentence?

 

[Pats2000]

Did you not read the first part of my sentence?

I did and my comment still stands

 

[sb1]

Seriously, we have rookie QB who has been throwing mostly shot passes for the first 6 games. Here's what our receivers are on pace for:

Meyers - 900 yards
Bourne - 824 yards
Agholor - 711 yards
Henry - 681 yards

That sounds like 3 #2's to me.

Those guys are not #2 caliber on a good passing offense. On a team like the Pats maybe they are but I wouldn't call us a good passing offense yet.

 

[sb1]

Somebody has to catch the dam ball, but None of those dudes are #2-caliber NFL WRs.

Yeah - a #2 caliber receiver would be #2 on almost any team. Those guys wouldn't get much playing time on top passing teams like the Bucs, Cowboys, Rams, Bills, Chiefs, Bengals, etc