Sad to see BB's legacy ripped apart like this

[Deus Irae]

You admitted he sucks as a GM. What if Kraft told him that how would he react?

I don't think he's sucked as a GM, either. He's been good. He just hasn't been great, and he's had 2 (arguably 3) stretches of bad drafting. But he's also done a good job of finding useful UDFAs, has made some pretty good (and some pretty darned bad) trades, and has used his "shopping at K-Mart" approach to free agency effectively in the past.

Now, how much of that GM work was a product of Brady (both Brady covering for weaknesses and BB making FA moves specific to a Brady-led team) remains to be guessed about, as does the question of whether BB's past approach is sustainable without the G.O.A.T. (and, if so, just how good does the next QB need to be to make it sustainable).

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don't get this take at all. I think most sports journalists consider guys like Harbaugh and Tomlin to be great coaches and they've had a few seriously bad seasons each. The GOAT coach is permitted a rocky period as he navigates post-GOAT QB. Like how do you even make that argument? “Oh, Bill didn’t immediately have a powerhouse team within 1 season of Brady leaving, he’s a failure”

I don’t think they understand what Belichick is undertaking, I think they just want and expect to win all the time, if they don’t then he sucks. Belichick isn’t Parcells, concerned only about the coming season, and f.cking the future if need be. Belichick, at least in my view, is trying to rebuild the entire team for long term contention, and that process takes time. You can go through each individual unit and look at it and gauge where you think they will be at a couple of years from now, and what has to be done to make them as strong as possible. Of course Belichick wants to win every game and go as far as possible each season, but decisions like starting a rookie QB are for the long term, not an individual season.

 

[Ring 6]

Ok true. Maybe I'm naive but if ownership thought it was a problem and offered to take over GM duties I don't think he'd be too arrogant to allow it. But I'm probably wrong

Why would the guy who has had the most success anyone ever has, want someone else making decisions instead of him? Why would the owner?
Who in the holy F$&k is Robert Kraft going to look at and say, yeah this guy knows more than belichick, I’d rather have him?

 

[Huckleberry1]

You admitted he sucks as a GM. What if Kraft told him that how would he react?

Kraft’s deal with Belichick is complete control over football operations, Belichick will walk the second Kraft tries to renege on that. At which point you can kiss the Patriots future goodbye.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Next 3 years?!?!?

If Bill has another losing season next year after one this year, he's gone.

Troll.

 

[Deus Irae]

Is he really though? He is an all time great for sure but GOAT? What exactly makes Bill stand out from guys like Landry, Lombardi, Brown, Shula and the rest of them? I've asked this before and it's still not clear to me.

Sure he has the most rings but that is a team accomplishment not an individual accomplishment.

He's one of the all-timers. Is he HC1? I don't even know how anyone can really begin to make serious arguments about how to slot the top, say, 5-10 HCs of all time. It's not just the rules, or the unfair advantages that the latter coaches have by piggybacking their knowledge on top of the knowledge of those who came before. It's also that there are so many other variables, both known and unknown.

 

[Deus Irae]

Ok true. Maybe I'm naive but if ownership thought it was a problem and offered to take over GM duties I don't think he'd be too arrogant to allow it. But I'm probably wrong

If I'd won 6 titles as coach/GM, I doubt that I'd be willing to surrender the GMing without boatloads of "only if" being satisfied, and I'm not sure I'd do it even then.

 

[venecol]

If you don’t lose you win. Cliches are a silly way to discuss anything.

A rookie playing in his 6th game isn’t basing his confidence on whether you go for a 4th down in your own territory.

They didn’t use them for 2 quarters then abandon them. They used that package through the game. On about 1/3 of the plays. They were using it in the 4th quarter, they used it in OT.

The rest of your post is just random whining.

Cliche or not, they lost because of several bad coaches decisions and play calls.

I remember someone saying a rookie doesn't learn sitting on the sidelines. That's exactly what happened when they punted, sat him on the sidelines instead of having him learn during a pressure situation. Asking him to kneel with 90 secs left + 2 TOs when we've seen how good he is at running the 2 minute drill is not a huge confidence builder. I guarantee you Mac wanted the ball in his hands for a chance to get within FG range.

They used the heavy package successfully for the first 3 drives, then abandoned it until 4th qtr when they were successful with it again. Stop lying.

I know you talk to Bill in front of the mirror every night. Tell him to stop playing checkers.

 

[NormZauchin]

He's one of the all-timers. Is he HC1? I don't even know how anyone can really begin to make serious arguments about how to slot the top, say, 5-10 HCs of all time. It's not just the rules, or the unfair advantages that the latter coaches have by piggybacking their knowledge on top of the knowledge of those who came before. It's also that there are so many other variables, both known and unknown.

Bill Belichick: "If I have won more titles than other coaches, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." Not NY Giants.

 

[venecol]

Why would the guy who has had the most success anyone ever has, want someone else making decisions instead of him? Why would the owner?
Who in the holy F$&k is Robert Kraft going to look at and say, yeah this guy knows more than belichick, I’d rather have him?

News flash: Kraft did exactly that. He brought in new guys that helped out during the draft. He also b!tched about poor drafts. So you're wrong. Again.

 

[ashley]

Next 3 years?!?!?

If Bill has another losing season next year after one this year, he's gone.

Are you calling for a losing season this year? I'm saying we win 10 games and make the playoffs...then watch out everybody!!!!!!! Are you with me?

 

[Deus Irae]

Are you calling for a losing season this year? I'm saying we win 10 games and make the playoffs...then watch out everybody!!!!!!! Are you with me?

Can't lose more than 3

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Why would the guy who has had the most success anyone ever has, want someone else making decisions instead of him? Why would the owner?
Who in the holy F$&k is Robert Kraft going to look at and say, yeah this guy knows more than belichick, I’d rather have him?

I suppose if we go back to the original point i was making, it's that if the GM portion of his duty is what is about to get him fired you could just give the role to someone else and let him keep coaching rather than have the disgrace of being fired or forced to retire

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Are you calling for a losing season this year? I'm saying we win 10 games and make the playoffs...then watch out everybody!!!!!!! Are you with me?

I'm optimistic too. We're still only 2 games behind Buffalo (so close to being just 1) with 2 games against them left. We can hang with the big dogs. Just gotta close out a few games

 

[Marko]

I guess I feel the opposite. I love the direction of this team. The next 2-3 years will be a lot of fun to watch.

Me too, I l lol I’ve the excitement of the build and the ars against better teams. Wins are great but they became expected, which took some of the thrill away. They battle like hell l, which is fun

 

[Marko]

I suppose if we go back to the original point i was making, it's that if the GM portion of his duty is what is about to get him fired you could just give the role to someone else and let him keep coaching rather than have the disgrace of being fired or forced to retire

He is not getting fired, SMH

 

[Marko]

I'm optimistic too. We're still only 2 games behind Buffalo (so close to being just 1) with 2 games against them left. We can hang with the big dogs. Just gotta close out a few games

If we had Edelman or White you could make a good case for 5-1 at this point, need a go to chains mover!

 

[Ring 6]

Cliche or not, they lost because of several bad coaches decisions and play calls.

I remember someone saying a rookie doesn't learn sitting on the sidelines. That's exactly what happened when they punted, sat him on the sidelines instead of having him learn during a pressure situation. Asking him to kneel with 90 secs left + 2 TOs when we've seen how good he is at running the 2 minute drill is not a huge confidence builder. I guarantee you Mac wanted the ball in his hands for a chance to get within FG range.

They used the heavy package successfully for the first 3 drives, then abandoned it until 4th qtr when they were successful with it again. Stop lying.

I know you talk to Bill in front of the mirror every night. Tell him to stop playing checkers.

They lost because they didn’t execute.

He isnt sitting on the bench he is playing. The whole season. You don’t need to make bad choices to “see how it goes”.

You are 100% wrong about the heavy package usage. Go watch the film. They used it throughout the game.

 

[Ring 6]

I suppose if we go back to the original point i was making, it's that if the GM portion of his duty is what is about to get him fired you could just give the role to someone else and let him keep coaching rather than have the disgrace of being fired or forced to retire

Your premise is flawed.

 

[FCB02062]

Some more comments:

a.) We did not win BECAUSE of Brady in:

2001: That was a TOTAL team effort...greatest single T-E-A-M ever in NFL history bar none. Special teams got us to the SB and we scored only 2 TD passes that playoff run!
2002: Brady led the league in TD passes and did not do us any good at all given Steve Marin being a sieve.
2003: IMO, Brady didn't even break out until the Superbowl against the Panthers. That game against the Titans was won by defense and Vinatieri....then Ty Law in the AFC title game.
2004: Tommy was finally coming on his own and played a big part in that season. However, we limited the Colts to 3 points those playoffs.
2005: Who threw the pick to Champ Bailey? Also, the D was weak that year....we just got by the Jags because they insisted on starting Leftwich on a bad leg over Garrard, IMO.
2006: How the hell did we win in San Diego that year?
2007: That was all Brady......
2008: Brady didn't even play.
2009: The team was limited offensively.
2010: We should have made the AFC title game at least...if not for that Chung fake punt call...wasted a MVP season by Tommy.
2011: Manningham catch....because Chung cheated....is that BB's fault? And the safety given up?
2012: OK, we had no answer for Boldin.
2013: We had no chance without Gronk in Denver.
2014: Greatest coaching call ever....not calling a TO...very Cortez like...leaving his D on the goal line.
2015: If Collins doesn't bite on a seam route TWICE....
2016: Oh man.....3-1 with Garopollo/Brissett.
2017: OK, this is on Belichick...fine....
2018: 3 points given up in the Superbowl?
2019: Dragging that flawed team to a single score loss in the playoffs.....if Chung makes one stop against the Dolphins or Harry is given that TD vs. the Chiefs...we would be hosting the Chiefs on divisional weekend!
2020: Dragged a even more flawed team to a 7-9 record....turn around the Denver/@Buffalo game/@Houston game...and that team was a .500 team, IMO.

BB has been a MAJOR factor in the Pats' success...and yeah he needed Brady to go from being a GOOD coach to a GREAT coach, but it isn't as if he can't win without Brady.

tell me what Coach Bill has won in his seasons without Brady? I'll hang up and listen...