OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[VectorPrime]

How would you like to pick the three starting QBs for the NFC pro bowl roster? Five MVP candidates (maybe not Rodgers, but the Packers are 5-1)

Brady
Murray
Prescott
Rodgers
Stafford

Since all of them will decline to attend they’ll all make it.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Jones would get roasted on this board for such a play. He's a rookie and should get some slack. But I'd be wicked pissed.
Triggered memories of Bledsoe's sitting down backwards flip over his head "pass" in the AFCG vs Pittsburgh 2001 post season.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bucs are off today (aside from testing) -- they'll practice Tuesday, but team won't have an injury report. Arians has said Antoine Winfield is the closest of the injured Bucs. Reasonably the next helpful update will be seeing who is able to practice Wednesday.

 

[RicoG]

The NFL’s Most Valuable Teams 2020: How Much Is Your Favorite Team Worth?

Values are up 7% for football franchises despite the pandemic. Four teams are now worth at least $4 billion each, up from two last year, as the Giants and the Rams join the exclusive club.

www.forbes.com

Tom Brady was a major reason in making Robert Kraft billions richer. When he left in 2020, NE was the 2nd most valuable franchise.

2. New England Patriots​

• Value: $4.4 billion

 

[RicoG]

Now Mr. MONEY maker Brady for the billionaires, is going to make billions for the Glazer family in Tampa.

In one year they've gone from

29. Tampa Bay Buccaneers​

• Value: $2.28 billion

To

21. Tampa Bay Buccaneers​

Value: $2.94 billion​

One-Year Change: 29%​

Almost 700 million increase. What will year 2 bring?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Now Mr. MONEY maker Brady for the billionaires, is going to make billions for the Glazer family in Tampa.

In one year they've gone from

29. Tampa Bay Buccaneers​

• Value: $2.28 billion

To

21. Tampa Bay Buccaneers​

Value: $2.94 billion​

One-Year Change: 29%​

Almost 700 million increase. What will year 2 bring?

I was at a game and this tall, skinny-as-a-beanpole guy came up to me. And I said: I know who you are. You’re Tom Brady. You‘re that kid we drafted in the sixth round. And then you led us to an unprecedented two decade dynasty and won six championships.

And he stared at me, his eyes piercing, and he said: That’s right. And letting me go was the worst decision this franchise has ever made, you ****ing senile toad.

 

[VectorPrime]

Gonna just throw this out there. Are the Pats right now in a better spot if Kraft had listened to the reactionary fans and fired Belichick after benching Butler? Because Brady and Gronk are still around and happier and I cannot imagine the person doing the GM duties could have done any worse in the 2018/2019 offseasons. And it’s kind of increasingly obvious that a large part of Bill’s good coaching was actually Brady.

Bill O’Brian as coach and Caserio as a GM with actual power with Brady happy probably wins that 6th super bowl anyway and who knows what else.

 

[amfootball]

Gonna just throw this out there. Are the Pats right now in a better spot if Kraft had listened to the reactionary fans and fired Belichick after benching Butler? Because Brady and Gronk are still around and happier and I cannot imagine the person doing the GM duties could have done any worse in the 2018/2019 offseasons. And it’s kind of increasingly obvious that a large part of Bill’s good coaching was actually Brady.

Bill O’Brian as coach and Caserio as a GM with actual power with Brady happy probably wins that 6th super bowl anyway and who knows what else.

If Caserio empowers Brady the way Tampa has then absolutely.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

If Caserio empowers Brady the way Tampa has then absolutely.

I forgot Brady lobbied for Sherman in 2019. That’s Gronkowski, Sherman, and Brown, three future hall of famers, all playing at discounted deals on the Bucs.

Brady had the right idea in 2017. They could have powered the ship a lot longer by kicking cap hits into 2021 and beyond. They moved on from Cooks, Patterson, Amendola, Blount, Gronkowski (failing to pay him), and whiffed on FAs Cook and Humphries by playing stupid contract mind games. Basically every decision was the wrong one. Then they made all the wrong moves with Sanu, Thuney, McCourty, Gilmore, etc. I’m sure the AB decision was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

If Wickersham is right and Bill wanted Jimmy G. because, deep down, he’s human and he saw Jimmy as “his guy” and his chance to prove himself, then the moment Jimmy was spitefully traded for less than his value is the moment of no return. It makes sense that during this time he interviewed with several teams and considered leaving. He would have been better off hooking on with a team with draft assets and a promising young QB. Whatever the **** this “rebuild” is, it‘s a ****ing disaster and will continue to get worse. It would have been best for the Patriots and Bill if he’d left in 2017, again, if you think Wickersham’s source is accurate about his mindset.

Bill’s legacy would have been fine in another city no matter what, and the Patriots would have kept Brady and done things differently.

 

[RicoG]

I forgot Brady lobbied for Sherman in 2019. That’s Gronkowski, Sherman, and Brown, three future hall of famers, all playing at discounted deals on the Bucs.

Brady had the right idea in 2017. They could have powered the ship a lot longer by kicking cap hits into 2021 and beyond. They moved on from Cooks, Patterson, Amendola, Blount, Gronkowski (failing to pay him), and whiffed on FAs Cook and Humphries by playing stupid contract mind games. Basically every decision was the wrong one. Then they made all the wrong moves with Sanu, Thuney, McCourty, Gilmore, etc. I’m sure the AB decision was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

If Wickersham is right and Bill wanted Jimmy G. because, deep down, he’s human and he saw Jimmy as “his guy” and his chance to prove himself, then the moment Jimmy was spitefully traded for less than his value is the moment of no return. It makes sense that during this time he interviewed with several teams and considered leaving. He would have been better off hooking on with a team with draft assets and a promising young QB. Whatever the **** this “rebuild” is, it‘s a ****ing disaster and will continue to get worse. It would have been best for the Patriots and Bill if he’d left in 2017, again, if you think Wickersham’s source is accurate about his mindset.

Bill’s legacy would have been fine in another city no matter what, and the Patriots would have kept Brady and done things differently.

Imagine if they had a roster with Cooks, Patterson, Amendola, Blount, Gronkowski in 2019 with that all world defense. The replacement guys were crap or still developing like Meyers. No wonder Brady was peeved all year. Another SB missed opportunity. Pat's could have easily make the cap work if they wanted to.

 

[VectorPrime]

Imagine if they had a roster with Cooks, Patterson, Amendola, Blount, Gronkowski in 2019 with that all world defense. The replacement guys were crap or still developing like Meyers. No wonder Brady was peeved all year. Another SB missed opportunity. Pat's could have easily make the cap work if they wanted to.

Might have had to cut a few core special teamers though. Cant survive that.

 

[Zarozzor]

Team Tom vs Team Bill is played out. We need to move on to other discussions.

Team Montana vs Team Walsh?
Team Starr vs Team Lombardi?
Team Graham vs Team Brown?
Team Unitas vs Team Ewbank?

 

[Deus Irae]

Team Tom vs Team Bill is played out. We need to move on to other discussions.

Team Montana vs Team Walsh?
Team Starr vs Team Lombardi?
Team Graham vs Team Brown?
Team Unitas vs Team Ewbank?

They were calling Montana the G.O.A.T. before Brady, and I think that probably answers the Montana/Walsh question, at least with regards to the press. What I think makes that more interesting, though, is that you've not only got Seifert taking over for Walsh and winning, you've also got Young winning in place of Montana.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Team Tom vs Team Bill is played out. We need to move on to other discussions.

Team Montana vs Team Walsh?
Team Starr vs Team Lombardi?
Team Graham vs Team Brown?
Team Unitas vs Team Ewbank?

I’d love to see Team McCarthy eliminate Team Aaron. It seems inevitable.

 

[VectorPrime]

The goalposts are moving with this years Patriots team. It’s now the 2000 team meaning this is all setting the groundwork and it’s NEXT year when we’ll actually be good.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

The goalposts are moving with this years Patriots team. It’s now the 2000 team meaning this is all setting the groundwork and it’s NEXT year when we’ll actually be good.

Next year is the celestial ascension after prayers to the 2001 spirits.

 

[Zarozzor]

The goalposts are moving with this years Patriots team. It’s now the 2000 team meaning this is all setting the groundwork and it’s NEXT year when we’ll actually be good.

Don’t forget that last season doesn’t count.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

The posts are getting creepy…like some kind of weird mysticism. Reminds me of that move Pi where this dude went crazy finding patterns of numbers all around him. Now we have these 2001 Team Bill detectives looking for all kinds of matching similarities, stats, etc.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bucs making moves. Active G John Molchon off IR and release JR Jaydon Mickens. Also released LB Elijah Pndwe from the PS and could sign Mickens back to their PS shortly. Appears rookie Jaelon Darden could return kicks.

 

[RicoG]

The goalposts are moving with this years Patriots team. It’s now the 2000 team meaning this is all setting the groundwork and it’s NEXT year when we’ll actually be good.

Lol, in 2019 many were openly advocating that the Pat's move on from Brady as he was holding back the young receivers, like #1 prospect and future Nkeal, by not throwing to them and ruining their confidence. Pat's just had to reload.

Don't know how fans thought the team just had to reload when the star players were all gone or almost done like Edelman, Hightower, Gilmour. With no elite players, it's a rebuild not a reload.

If Mac turns out to be a top 15 QB, it will be a short rebuild but won't know until year 3(Allen came out in year 3 and Dak in year 4). For now, all I see is a game manager. I don't see anything that makes me go wow.

Bucs took 5 years to finally realize that Winston was a bust. Their 20 year rebuild was over when they found their QB in Brady. Pats gotta give Mac the tools and weapons to improve year over year, cause if he ain't the one then it will be a long rebuild not just to next year.