Gilmore traded to Carolina

[captain stone]

It's the same reasons as this year except he was injured.

BB wanted to win games. He had Newton. He knew his offense was going to be sucky. He needed a decent defense. Gilly was making a ton of money. Cap was down. Trade offers sucked. At the end of the Bill decided to keep the reigning DPOY.

Is that really a horrible decision?

Yes.

He should've traded him at the deadline last season.

And he should've found a way to keep Thuney here.

That's 3 OLmen they have that Bill gifted them.

 

[moosekill]

So some are mad we didn’t trade Gilmore after he was DPOY and the team was just in the playoffs and he had two years left on his contract. Some are mad we didn’t trade him in November 2020 when we were still completely in the playoff hunt and he had 11/2 years left on his contract. And some are claiming we certainly would have gotten more for him if we had traded him for one of the many offers they were being flooded with for a 31 year old d back coming off a major injury who wasn’t playing yet at draft time. Got it

 

[NFL Mystique]

To understand the Gilmore situation, you need to compare it to the other CB trade the Pats have made this season.

The Patriots traded a 2022 7th rounder and a 2023 5th rounder to the Ravens for Shaun Wade. Wade is a 2021 5th round pick who was not good enough to make the Ravens roster. So far with the Patriots, Wade has been inactive all 4 games including having a PS player (Myles Bryant) elevated to the game roster against the Bucs to play instead of Wade.

Today, the Patriots traded multi-time Pro Bowler., 2019 All pro CB and 2019 NFL Defensive player of the Year to the Panthers for a 2023 6th round pick.

To summarize, the Pats traded Gilmore, a 2023 7th rounder and 2023 5th rounder for Shaun Wade and a 2023 6th rounder.

I know they saved $5.8 million in salary paid and cap space, but they paid Gilmore $1.9 million while he milked an injury to get his contract redone.

Good luck to all the Belichick apologists trying to defend this as good personnel management.

When you outline it like this....it's tough to argue with you lol.

 

[TheRainMaker]

When you outline it like this....it's tough to argue with you lol.

Don’t worry, someone will argue this.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article254803932.html

So honestly, it looks like we got what we could out of him (in terms of perceived ability to produce), and next year he wanted us to pay him like he had a good 2020 and any 2021, and we were like nah.

and maybe we could have done better than a 6 in 2023, but again, I'm not sure how much that happens with injured guys who are declining.

 

[Deus Irae]

GB had absolutely no excuse as this is their last chance at a title which could be for a long time.

Team Cap Space: $7,237,189


Pretty good excuse, actually.

 

[captain stone]

So some are mad we didn’t trade Gilmore after he was DPOY and the team was just in the playoffs and he had two years left on his contract. Some are mad we didn’t trade him in November 2020 when we were still completely in the playoff hunt and he had 11/2 years left on his contract. And some are claiming we certainly would have gotten more for him if we had traded him for one of the many offers they were being flooded with for a 31 year old d back coming off a major injury who wasn’t playing yet at draft time. Got it

We were in no way, shape or form that is based in reality still "completely in the PO hunt." That was a pipe dream that never had an Honest chance of being fulfilled. Bill should've arrived at the same conclusion by then; if he didn't, then he's a fool... If he did and decided to squeeze as many meaningless wins out of all the veterans as possible at the expense of player development & superior draft positioning, then he's a fraud.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I'm not saying he had no value or even that you guys are wrong.

However, I would like to see examples of these deals for injured guys. God knows they weren't getting anywhere on next year's contract, but I wonder whether it plays into it that they're just getting a name and a guess that he's ok. (Maybe he has to pass a physical lol)

Again, maybe it happens all the time, and BB was going to just let Gilmore go with no further drama because he's not as smart as you guys or really nice.

I dunno. Wouldn't want to be a Belichick apologist, because I don't know how many SB rings you guys have. It might be more.

 

[Deus Irae]

Some are mad we didn’t trade him in November 2020 when we were still completely in the playoff hunt and he had 11/2 years left on his contract.

The Patriots were 2-5 as of November 1st.




The trade deadline was Tuesday, November 3rd.

NFL trade tracker: Full list of deals completed before a quiet 2020 deadline

 

[TheRainMaker]

We were in no way, shape or form that is based in reality still "completely in the PO hunt." That was a pipe dream that never had an Honest chance of being fulfilled. Bill should've arrived at the same conclusion by then; if he didn't, then he's a fool... If he did and decided to squeeze as many meaningless wins out of all the veterans as possible at the expense of player development & superior draft positioning, then he's a fraud.

Another player poorly handled by Bill. I was in the camp to pay him for one more year and then let him go on his way. However, if you knew you weren’t going to budge on paying him in 2020, then trade him. Bill waited too long.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

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So, this is a write up touching on Michael Thomas' situation. Apparently, the concept of a trade didn't seem to come into play until he was healthy. Why not now, analogous to our hypothesis that BB should have traded Gilmore while he was on the PUP?

Again, any examples of guys getting traded off the PUP list? For all I know somebody will cough up a first rounder for Thomas tomorrow, but the way this is written makes it look like it's not done. I just don't know this answer, but it seems like an answer to know if anybody is talking about how we shoulda traded him after the quad injury last december. (It could also just be that the Saints would have to trade or roster him once healthy, and wouldn't want to use a spot on him... hence the "once he's healthy" clause.)

10 NFL players who would benefit from trade ahead of deadline

Following C.J. Henderson’s trade from the Jaguars to the Panthers, here’s 10 players who could be shopped before the NFL trade deadline.

www.nbcsports.com

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Michael Thomas​

Michael Thomas will miss the first six weeks this season after being placed on the physically unable to perform list with an ankle injury. The 2019 NFL Offensive Player of the Year had ankle surgery in June -- oddly late in the NFL offseason, which drew some criticism from head coach Sean Payton. He also missed nine games last year due to the nagging ankle injury, which made the decision to delay surgery even more questionable.

When Thomas is on the field, there’s no denying his talent. He surpassed 90 receptions in his first four NFL seasons, and led the league in catches with 125 in 2018 and 149 in 2019. Thomas was named First-Team All-Pro each of those years. The Saints could use him in 2021, but bad blood with his coach might be enough to force a trade once he’s healthy.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

So again, he was injured mid-December, after the 2020 trade deadline. So we did not retain him knowing he'd be injured.

Tick tock tick tock, it's 2021. Now we can trade him off the PUP list, the next point in our alternate timeline.

Name the injured player you would give a high pick for off a rival's PUP list... or that you'd praise BB for giving a high draft pick for.

It's definitely all devil's advocate for me. It might be there are a million of these every year, but nobody seems to want to point to them.

 

[Deus Irae]

So again, he was injured mid-December, after the 2020 trade deadline. So we did not retain him knowing he'd be injured.

Tick tock tick tock, it's 2021. Now we can trade him off the PUP list, the next point in our alternate timeline.

Name the injured player you would give a high pick for off a rival's PUP list... or that you'd praise BB for giving a high draft pick for.

It's definitely all devil's advocate for me. It might be there are a million of these every year, but nobody seems to want to point to them.

Defending the indefensible again, I see. There was no way Gilmore was going to play for $7m this year. Everyone knew that, and they knew that before the trade deadline, which was well before the injury happened.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Defending the indefensible again, I see.

Not at all, just name the guys traded while injured that brought high picks. Any of em. They must happen, right?

 

[Deus Irae]

Not at all, just name the guys traded while injured that brought high picks. Any of em. They must happen, right?

I'd hit the send before finishing, by mistake. Here's the rest of that post:

There was no way Gilmore was going to play for $7m this year. Everyone knew that, and they knew that before the trade deadline, which was well before the injury happened.

 

[Ring 6]

Chris Canty was so bad that Pete Carroll paid Troy Brown extra money at practice to "drop" a few while Canty was covering him to improve his confidence. I guess Jefferson and Brown used to whip Canty in practice like a practice dummy and make him cry.

Bs

 

[venecol]

What makes you think Steve Belichick is a moron? I have no strong opinion about the guy because I know so little about him. Do you know him personally?

https://twitter.com/BuffaloWins/status/1444859762160640007?s=20

 

[venecol]

BB has always said that real football always starts after Thanksgiving. By that time you know what kind of team you have and how the season is going to turn out (assuming the team is not a lost cause before then).

After Thanksgiving 70% of the season is gone, so that's kinda self serving to say that. I'm sure all coaches agree.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

I'd hit the send before finishing, by mistake. Here's the rest of that post:

There was no way Gilmore was going to play for $7m this year. Everyone knew that, and they knew that before the trade deadline, which was well before the injury happened.

Okay "everyone knew" that he wouldn't play for $7m, despite his contract to do so. Does everybody also know how the negotiation would have gone if he were healthy at the end of 2020? How about if our defensive backfield were sucking right now?

Did BB publicly announce the only way he played in the NFL would be for the deal as it stood? Or was a negotiation ahead of them?

The injury changes that calculus, but I hope you're not saying you knew Gilmore would be injured in December if he stayed.

I mean, saying "I would have traded him in 2020" is a lot less controversial if it doesn't imply "....therefore cleanly avoiding the whole problem of his value being completely scrambled by the injury/surgery/recovery."

Now all that said, I don't know these answers either. Maybe he's fine, and BB just doesn't want to hamstring his career, no hard feelings, he's got the guys he needs, he wants Gilmore to have every opportunity for that big payday. I am just tired of everybody acting like they do know, when they don't.

 

[venecol]

How did other teams not get in play and let him slip for a measly 6th round pick? That’s the real disaster in all of this.

AZ
SF
GB Aaron has got to be shaking his head
KC
SEA

These fans should be horrified.

Gilly wanted to go home or maybe his wife did.

There is no Stephon Gilmore.