BB on whether he thinks he would have the same success without Brady: "Of course not"

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

well.....sure, this argument is total nonsense, but it is one of the easiest topics to make counterpoints with.......because the argument is silly

would Jerry Rice still be Jerry Rice if Tony Eason and Hugh Millen were throwing to him instead of Joe Montana and Steve Young?

No.

 

[mikey m]

Didn't let him finish.

"Of course not.. I would have had way more success."

 

[IllegalContact]

Oh that's most definitely the case. Bad drafting and the Butler debacle aside, I give Bill and Co. a lot of credit for how well they managed to get those SB winning teams to tune out the noise and for really preparing them at key junctures, and there were so many of those that could have sunk lesser coaching staffs: whether it be responding to that MNF blowout against loss the Chiefs in 2014 with a statement win against a Bengals team going in with apparent momentum, not letting the Deflategate media circus sink the Pats in SB 49, guiding them to a 3-1 record without Brady in 2016, getting the defence to turn things around in that same year following a loss to the Seahawks and the Collins trade that very same year, keeping the team composed in SB 51 even down 28-3, and getting a seemingly over the hill Pats team to respond to the doomsaying during the 18-19 playoffs by utterly dominating an on-paper more talented Chargers team in the Divisional.

Bummed as I am about Brady leaving, and for as long as I think it'll be until the Pats are SB contenders once more, I'm not gonna pretend that Bill didn't play an immense role during that 19 year long partnership.

you say bad drafting, but on the most recent superbowl win, the pats started 14 of their own draft picks, as well as 2 of their own UDFA's...Tampa Bay also started 14 draft picks last year.........and they have routinely had higher draf tpicks than the pats

 

[jah]

Steven would need to a win a Superbowl his first year to not crucified by the media.

It's not about if Steven has the potential to be a great coach, the pressure that would be put on him by the media would be ridiculous.

He has never played competitive football. The immediate narrative will be white privilege at it's finest.

That's negative publicity that any owner should want to avoid with today's media.

Steven's best course is to coach in college for a few years to earn some clout before being an NFL HC

You might be right about how it would be received if Steve Belichick became the next HC. All I'm saying is I think the team's actions over a long period of time have demonstrated they couldn't care less about whether people have a problem with the nepotism.

 

[IllegalContact]

No.

things worked out the way they did ..... who is more highly responsible is very subjective.

 

[IllegalContact]

You might be right about how it would be received if Steve Belichick became the next HC. All I'm saying is I think the team's actions over a long period of time have demonstrated they couldn't care less about whether people have a problem with the nepotism.

If Steve Belichick became head coach, I would not have to worry about this team winning.....it would be a foregone conclusion that they would not

 

[The Brandon Five]

Nonetheless, Bill will try to prove otherwise on Sunday night...

He won't succeed, but he'll try.

 

[BTTA]

Neither wins those 6 rings without the other, nothing to really comment on here. And saying this as somebody who thinks that Brady>BB when it comes to importance, especially during that second half of the dynasty.

You don't understand. This is the favorite new hobby of a large portion of our society: create a false polarity, use it to frame a narrative, seduce people in to argue it, and regardless of the outcome, declare victory through a superficial emotional experience that only reinforces their insecurity and sense of self loathing.

 

[Joker]

You don't understand. This is the favorite new hobby of a large portion of our society: create a false polarity, use it to frame a narrative, seduce people in to argue it, and regardless of the outcome, declare victory through a superficial emotional experience that only reinforces their insecurity and sense of self loathing.

yes..the IC Paradigm

 

[sb1]

would Jerry Rice still be Jerry Rice if Tony Eason and Hugh Millen were throwing to him instead of Joe Montana and Steve Young?

He was Jerry Rice with Rich Gannon throwing to him and Gannon isn't as good as either of those guys. Hopefully Mac is the equivalent of that for Bill.

 

[mgcolby]

Never thought I would say this in my life...Monday cannot get here soon enough. For ****s sake. Brady's gone. He's not coming back. Arguing debating this **** or trying to justify one over the other is an excercise in futility and stupidity.

The greatest player and greatest coach were together for two decades. To think that one couldn't win a SB without the other is ignorant. And to think that either would be as successful over the past twenty plus years without each other is equally as ignorant.

Tommy could of been drafted by a team and never given a chance because the high priced Pro Bowler was in front of him and the coach didn't have the balls to play the kid over the pricey respected vet. Or maybe BB has another 5-11 or worse season anothe year and drafts some other 1st round QB or lands Brees etc...no one knows how it could of gone. We only know how it went. So enjoy the greatest run in modern NFL history and stop *****ing about it. What is obvious is the two were done with each other.

 

[50-yard-line]

It's over. Bill threw in the towel. He agreed with what we've been saying, that he was lucky to have Tom at QB and he wouldn't have succeeded w/o him. I guess this games pressure finally got to him.

Team Bill will never accept it however. It's just sad.

Pure trolling, or you're just stupid.

The only correct answer to "Bill or Tom" is "yes."

 

[TheRainMaker]

Bill needs to win without Tom. And I’m not saying Super Bowl or bust, but a competitive team that wins playoff games. He got a QB to fall into his lap at 15 and spent a bunch a money on the players of his choosing. No more excuses.

It falls on Bill if this doesn’t work out.

 

[TheRainMaker]

you say bad drafting, but on the most recent superbowl win, the pats started 14 of their own draft picks, as well as 2 of their own UDFA's...Tampa Bay also started 14 draft picks last year.........and they have routinely had higher draf tpicks than the pats

Just because they start, doesn’t mean they are good. They drafted one Pro Bowl/1st team All Pro caliber player between 2013-2019 (Collins). That’s pathetic.

I’ll even throw you a bone and give you Thuney as he was a very solid player and worthy of a Pro Bowl selection.

 

[farn]

Oh that's most definitely the case. Bad drafting and the Butler debacle aside, I give Bill and Co. a lot of credit for how well they managed to get those SB winning teams to tune out the noise and for really preparing them at key junctures, and there were so many of those that could have sunk lesser coaching staffs: whether it be responding to that MNF blowout against loss the Chiefs in 2014 with a statement win against a Bengals team going in with apparent momentum, not letting the Deflategate media circus sink the Pats in SB 49, guiding them to a 3-1 record without Brady in 2016, getting the defence to turn things around in that same year following a loss to the Seahawks and the Collins trade that very same year, keeping the team composed in SB 51 even down 28-3, and getting a seemingly over the hill Pats team to respond to the doomsaying during the 18-19 playoffs by utterly dominating an on-paper more talented Chargers team in the Divisional.

Bummed as I am about Brady leaving, and for as long as I think it'll be until the Pats are SB contenders once more, I'm not gonna pretend that Bill didn't play an immense role during that 19 year long partnership.

Most NFL partnerships would have fallen apart after 2007. They would have parted ways. Historians would have given them the title of dynasty. And they’d be spoken of as one of the greatest duos ever.

Sticking to it and finding THREE more rings between 2014-18 is insane. They’d be spoken of very very highly (some would no doubt be in the « 3/4 is a dynasty » camp - to be contrarians) on their own merits. And reinventing. 01-03-04 : i think of defensive players (Bru, Willie, Law, Rodney, Sey). 14-16-18 I think more O (Edelman, White, Gronk, even Dola)…

Brilliant brilliant run. It’s over now. It lasted 12+ longer than anyone could’ve expected if reviewing league history.

 

[venecol]

Belichick already had a job.........it is more likely that the Jets would have a few super bowls and that the pats would be still looking for their first one

You believe Belichick leads Pennington & Woody's stinking Jete into a dynasty?

Good lord man.

 

[TheRainMaker]

You believe Belichick leads Pennington & Woody's stinking Jete into a dynasty?

Good lord man.

Not a chance and that’s why he never wanted the job due to their dysfunction.

 

[LightSkinSmurf]

I'm not as quick to say Brady wouldn't have won as much somewhere else. His first year without bill he won. Who knows if he still wins 6 without bill. He may have. Maybe not.. but to say he "definitely" wouldn't have? I'm not making that statement. He is the greatest QB of all time and the position he plays is by far the most important.

 

[SVN]

Yea, as a coach. Duh

Brady has succeeded w/o Bill. Bill admits he wouldn't have succeeded w/o Brady. I knew you wouldn't admit his throwing in the towel. It took guts for Bill to say this 2 days before The Game. I commend him for it. Be a man and take the L.

he was only asked this 2 days before the game. its not like this question was asked before and he gave a different answer then did he ?

 

[SVN]

Patriots went from a totally run first team offense in 2001 to a wide spread offense in 2007 to a two tight end offense to a 3WR offense to a running offene again in 2018 between weis, mcdaniels ,obrien , mcdaniels .Yes Brady was the reason it all worked but someone had to figure out this will work ?Brady didnt go to BB in 2006 and say get moss, get welker and lets run shotgun offense florida style. BB sent mcdaniels to figure this out. Brady didnt tell BB and McD , lets run the sugar huddle chip kelly offense which wore out teams did he ?
Yes you need the QB to execute these and without that it means nothing. But Brady being to figure out all this out on his own without the coach and play the same is also a big stretch to imagine. One of the main reasons we beat peyton was because he had to figure out stuff on his own. He didnt have much of a sideline support . Now we are saying BB was just a spectator in all this.