How confident are you that Jones is "the guy"?

[Pats2000]

Well said.

Wasn't just the Rams when he ruined Sam Bradford and had the worst offense in the entire league in 2011. In 2010 he was fired in Denver after they lost 17 of their last 22 games. And as you noted the Pats offense has been crap since AB was cut Oct'19 to now, going on 2 years now.

When I hear all the excuses that the receivers can't get open or whatever other crap, this is all still McDaniels. The same sh-t comes up with this guy EVERY single time he's running the offense. No clue how to use TEs, OLine can't pass protect, receivers can't get open. Go look up 2005/2006, the exact same excuses being thrown around for this guy. He's a total fraud. Tom Brady carried/masked his fraud-ness for 15 yrs.

The receivers are getting open. The line isn't playing that terrible. Mac is putting them in bad positions a lot by how he's moving in the pocket

 

[DropKickFlutie]

The receivers are getting open. The line isn't playing that terrible. Mac is putting them in bad positions a lot by how he's moving in the pocket

Completely crazy post. You're not a mac fan. You're an organizational stooge. The OLine is one of the worst in the league.

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[Pats2000]

Completely crazy post. You're not a mac fan. You're an organizational stooge. The OLine is one of the worst in the league.

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Watch some film breakdown dude

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Watch some film breakdown dude

The film shows the OLine cannot run block nor can it pass block.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Last year, if you saw that Saints-Bucs 38-3 massacre, you can see similarities with the Saints absolutely dominating up front with a four man rush. I don’t know exactly how they do it…they have some good players, but the level of consistent thrashing seems really high. The Bucs, at the time, were having clear communication issues as Brady was still uncomfortable in that offense. They just seemed to go after it like sharks smelling blood. Constant pressure. The Saints clearly have one of the best coaching staffs in the league. Seemed like a pretty similar situation against the Patriots. It’s especially tough when you can’t establish the run against them.

 

[Pats2000]

The film shows the OLine cannot run block nor can it pass block.

It shows that Mac is in the pocket for the same amount of time as Tom Brady and that he at times is moving into areas of the pocket that defeat his olines leverage, leading to him getting pressured. They did a much better job picking up stunts against the saints.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Last year, if you saw that Saints-Bucs 38-3 massacre, you can see similarities with the Saints absolutely dominating up front with a four man rush. I don’t know exactly how they do it…they have some good players, but the level of consistent thrashing seems really high. The Bucs, at the time, were having clear communication issues as Brady was still uncomfortable in that offense. They just seemed to go after it like sharks smelling blood. Constant pressure. The Saints clearly have one of the best coaching staffs in the league. Seemed like a pretty similar situation against the Patriots. It’s especially tough when you can’t establish the run against them.

Hendrickson Davenport Onyemata, Jordan. They drafted those guys! Great drafting is key. And they resign there 100 sack defensive end unlike us who trade our 100 sack king for a second round pick LOL

that said I think Saints, especially brees have been huge choke artists the past ten years. Brees and Payton blow a lot of big playoff games!!!

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Going all the way back to 2006 his first official year as oc (he called all the plays in 2005), he already had so much influence we wasted a freaking 1st round pick over-ruling Patriot scouts to take Laurence sucky Maroney because his kid brother was the RB coach at Minnesota. So stop pretending he isn't heavily involved in the long parade of Patriot WR BUSTS. All those good WRs and TEs taken from 2009-2012 and 2001-2004 were when he wasn't on the Pats, every year in between are those crappy bust picks.

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Yes some of that is true. But no way does Belichick let some snot nosed young coach tell him who go draft. Belichick has final say, and he has aged badly when it comes to drafting. Hopefully it sounds like Kraft made some changes for the better in 2021 draft following scouts advise more

 

[PATS16N0]

He’s no Tom, that’s for sure.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

The receivers are getting open. The line isn't playing that terrible. Mac is putting them in bad positions a lot by how he's moving in the pocket

Agree…I think this is clearly an issue. Fortunately, it would appear to be correctable for Mac. I think it’s Mac’s inexperience, the dominant Saints front, sub-par (but not terrible) o-line play, playing from behind as one dimensional, and I do agree with @DropKickFlutie that they should be using Henry more often as an inline blocker and they do too much spread/shotgun stuff, though later in the game they needed to abandon the run.

 

[slash83]

He’s no Tom, that’s for sure.

Who is?

 

[Pats2000]

Agree…I think this is clearly an issue. Fortunately, it would appear to be correctable for Mac. I think it’s Mac’s inexperience, the dominant Saints front, sub-par (but not terrible) o-line play, playing from behind as one dimensional, and I do agree with @DropKickFlutie that they should be using Henry more often as an inline blocker and they do too much spread/shotgun stuff, though later in the game they needed to abandon the run.

I think they are doing more shotgun because it helps keep Mac in a tighter space in the pocket. He's not dropping back to far or moving forward to far

 

[amfootball]

Agree with all this. Brady himself would have had the same results yesterday, as he had in his final playoff game here. NO has a great defense, one of the best if not THE best in the NFL. Last season they rolled Tampa Bay twice, and they beat the Packers 38-3 three weeks ago.

Until we get Trent Brown back, we're going nowhere cause we can't run the ball without him. He's the mismatch we need up front, it all works with him and none of it works without him. If he's back against Tampa, the offense will look noticeably better.

Our WR's look good enough, the TE's will improve. We made a mistake trading Michel, which was basically a Stevenson for Sony swap. Then a week or 2 later we lose all faith in Stevenson? That, together with Trent Brown missing all 3 games so far, is the root of our offensive problems.

Mac Jones looks great given all this, he's the least of our problems. He's getting a crash course facing very good defenses against a very suspect OL, with turmoil in his backfield, and all new receivers to get adjusted to.

Lol. Carolina blew NO out.

 

[amfootball]

Don't twist this into some non-sequitur.

Bill, am I am very afraid, is delegating a lot of stuff. So get ready for St Louis'11, and Denver'10.

Maybe mcidiot is Little Finger and he is fine tanking this year because he's next in line. This will be a nightmare scenario for New England.

I agree. I don't think Bill is nearly as involved. Bedard said this during TC. The biggest issue with this team appears to be coaching which is bizarre. But I think our assistants are struggling with all the new pieces and not having Brady as the vet to at least get the offense on the same page is glaring.

I think we all just need to temper our expectations. I like Mac a lot but it takes time to develop.

 

[amfootball]

I think you may be overstating how much the sacks are on Jones. Here is some video:

On this sack, he had no time. You can argue he shouldn't have ran into the defender but he had no time and his receivers were covered.


In this video, it seems clear that the sack is on the o-line and potentially the receivers. I can't say he held the ball too long.



Here is another sack. Again, it is the line that failed him, not that he held the ball too long.



I couldn't find the video of the other three sacks. But I don't see any instance of him holding onto the ball too long. Maybe Jones deserves some of the blame on a couple of the sacks, but it seems that the o-line and receivers were the ones at more fault. On the two Jets sacks, Jones was sacked by defenders who came through unblocked or used a Patriots' lineman like a turnstyle.

Thanks for posting these. What I see is Mac is late at seeing where the pressure is coming. I think in time he will anticipate and slide up in the pocket. This is especially important when the RT is the issue. The pressure is coming from the edge so glide up and move left. I mean he just isn't going to get solid protection on every play so once his pocket presence matures he will take less hits.

 

[Rob0729]

Thanks for posting these. What I see is Mac is late at seeing where the pressure is coming. I think in time he will anticipate and slide up in the pocket. This is especially important when the RT is the issue. The pressure is coming from the edge so glide up and move left. I mean he just isn't going to get solid protection on every play so once his pocket presence matures he will take less hits.

I don't see what you see. Look at that last video again. Where was Jones supposed to slide to? His right tackle let the defender close on him from behind and the right tackle let defender get right in front of him. The pocket was totally collapsed. He literally had no where to step. The o-line gave Jones no option but to take the sack or, I assume, throw to a receiver who is in double or completely covered.

In the second video, the defender had a jailbreak rush untouched right up the middle. I would say most QBs, possibly even Brady, would have taken a sack in this case.

And again, there 18 QB pressures on Sunday. Jones was sacked twice. So 16 times on Sunday, Jones was under pressure and could have been sacked and either got rid of the ball before the defender got to him or stepped up in the pocket to avoid the pressure.

 

[RIpats88]

Jones has 1.3 seconds until the pocket collapses. Not sure how that is on him. Brady struggled in 2019 with the same issue.

To those saying "well Brady did better with that porous Online!" Well of course he did. Comparing a 20 year veteran who is the goat to a rookie isn't exactly fair.

Throwing someone into their first few NFL games and having a porous Offensive line and no running game is just looking for disaster.

Give the circumstances Mac has done better than his counterparts who have faced similar issues. Still 67% completion. Phenom Trever Lawrence has 54% completion and 7 picks

 

[venecol]

Jones has 1.3 seconds until the pocket collapses. Not sure how that is on him. Brady struggled in 2019 with the same issue.

To those saying "well Brady did better with that porous Online!" Well of course he did. Comparing a 20 year veteran who is the goat to a rookie isn't exactly fair.

Throwing someone into their first few NFL games and having a porous Offensive line and no running game is just looking for disaster.

Give the circumstances Mac has done better than his counterparts who have faced similar issues. Still 67% completion. Phenom Trever Lawrence has 54% completion and 7 picks

Bill disagrees, says OL is solid.

 

[50-yard-line]

I gave him a 5-6...almost 7-8, but it's too early to know for sure.

Of the guys who came out this year, he's showing the best or second best (Lawrence). I'm very glad he fell to 15 and the Pats picked him. He looks legit - it'll take until next season, at least, to really know much.

 

[Pape]

Bill disagrees, says OL is solid.

these comments were made after the Jets game...

who are basically a balm to sooth any ill...

Line needs work... wouldn't mind the Pats taking another shot at getting Cole Popovich vaccinated... he and Carmen Bricillo did a halfway decent job replacing Scar in 2020...