ralmat55
2nd Team Getting Their First Start
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Not going to get easier vs. Vita Vea et al.@DaBruinz you're feeling about Andrews seems right
Meh, all half the board does is complain. Complain when they don't spend the FA splash, complain when they do. Smith and Henry were the two best TEs available in FA (along with Gronk, who wasn't really available, and certainly not here).All you’ve done - in the last exchange and now - is walk me through how market value is established. Of 32 teams, the team who pays market value in free agency, is the team that is willing to pay more than 31 other teams. You gloss over that unless you’ve rationalized why Bill passed on Julio Jones with the same reasoning, also known as The Winner’s Curse. Proving that the Patriots didn’t overpay based on market value is nonsensical. No one has ever overpaid in that sense. Every free agent signing made sense if a team was willing to offer it. This is why free agency is often a terrible idea when it comes to expensive players. That’s an idea Bill himself subscribed to for many years.
As for Jonnu Smith, there’s so much irony when you cite his five year resume and track record, which is exactly what I’ve cited as why he’s closer to a JAG than an elite player as his contract would indicate. Of course he isn’t as terrible as he was yesterday. Sure, he’ll have some good games and make some big plays. But his floor and ceiling are both so much lower than his contract is calling for, and we saw the low floor yesterday.
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Meh, all half the board does is complain. Complain when they don't spend the FA splash, complain when they do. Smith and Henry were the two best TEs available in FA (along with Gronk, who wasn't really available, and certainly not here).
They were given a "market value" of 11m early on in the depressed market. The Pats wanted both, had the money, got both in the correct range.
The idea that they were terrible, grossly overpaid signings is ridiculous whining.
So far he is more known for drops, 1 fumble and cost an interception. Had 16 targets and 10 catches. 0 touchdowns. I don't think it is fair to blame this all on the OC and Mac for this.Smith is easily the most explosive YAC guy on the team. Many people - Reiss for one - thought him a better fit for New England than Henry. It's up to the OC and Mac to get them the ball, particularly in the red zone.
They wanted two new TEs, they got the best two available. So yes, do whine on.
Meh, all half the board does is complain. Complain when they don't spend the FA splash, complain when they do. Smith and Henry were the two best TEs available in FA (along with Gronk, who wasn't really available, and certainly not here).
They were given a "market value" of 11m early on in the depressed market. The Pats wanted both, had the money, got both in the correct range.
The idea that they were terrible, grossly overpaid signings is ridiculous whining.
Smith is easily the most explosive YAC guy on the team. Many people - Reiss for one - thought him a better fit for New England than Henry. It's up to the OC and Mac to get them the ball, particularly in the red zone.
They wanted two new TEs, they got the best two available. So yes, do whine on.
So he's catching at 62.5%, even after yesterday's disaster.So far he is more known for drops, 1 fumble and cost an interception. Had 16 targets and 10 catches. 0 touchdowns. I don't think it is fair to blame this all on the OC and Mac for this.
I don't rationalize everything Bill has done, so start and end this newest attempt at a comeback right there, okay.Sad when you argue for this long and then use the “whine” and “complain” cop-out.
I’ve been consistent about FA value since I began posting here 15 years ago. I’ve given >95% praise for the Patriots over the years for how they’ve approached free agency, while laughing at the Jets/Bills/Dolphins for making these types of moves.
Consider that you’ve largely dismissed criticism from posters like myself, rationalized everything Bill has done, and come up with bizarre reason people are critical of the team, other than their observations.
Maybe, in fact, many are not whining/criticizing for the sake of it or complaining because they hate Bill or are angry about Brady but have been doing so because they’re looking at things objectively. What you’re seeing on the field should make you question whether or not second guessers have been onto something after all.
not enoughSo he's catching at 62.5%, even after yesterday's disaster.
And how many have been thrown his way near the end zone? Brandon Bolden has had a better shot at a touchdown than either Pat tight ends.
Exactly.not enough
i think it's fair to say that McD hasn't done the best job so far with his play calling.Exactly.
I was trying to explain to a young person the other day what a record sounded like when the needle got stuck. I was frustrated in doing so until I turned to having them read DropKickFlutie posts in any thread. The young person now understands and also loves Josh McDaniels.
Then you haven't been paying attention because the YAC was stated multiple times in the last 2 games.So far he is more known for drops, 1 fumble and cost an interception. Had 16 targets and 10 catches. 0 touchdowns. I don't think it is fair to blame this all on the OC and Mac for this.