Game Day Thread Official Post-Game Thread: Week 1 - Pats lose to Dolphins 17-16

[NG Pats Fan]

Hunter was injured a lot during the pre season and camp, I think once he plays a few games, we'll see some really good things!!!!

I hope so he’s big and talented

 

[Deus Irae]

Straight talk from Patriots RBs coach Ivan Fears: “We gave the God damn game away. … That hurt.” “I feel confident Damien is going to step up to the plate,” he said, adding that the teaching point is to know the situation and when the journey is over.

Patriots RBs coach Ivan Fears on Rhamondre Stevenson after lost fumble in opener: "He has to learn no matter when the ball comes out, even though you may think you're down, the evidence doesn't always back you. You have to hand the ball to the official. That should be your goal."

 

[Deus Irae]

Note this one. It's important.

Ivan Fears said the Patriots' switch to Mac Jones at QB could help James White return to his previous level of production: "This guy has a chance to take advantage of James, to be a good thing for James" White caught 6 passes vs MIA. He reached that in just three games last year

If anyone can post the audio/video of that whole exchange, please do as I've not yet been able to find it anywhere other than on the radio. Fears talks about the world of difference between last year and this year, in terms of how the team can use White (In other words, Cam v. Mac).

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Sure, because god knows,, no player has ever gotten better after their first game.

Completely not what I said,
but please continue on with your one-liner simplistic views of the universe because you can't deal with nor comprehend nuance or complexity.

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[DropKickFlutie]

Agreed, and it shouldn't be that surprising that Flores held his own and then some especially in the first game of the season. Flores appears to be a very competent coach, and he knows a heck of a lot more about his opponent (the Patriots) than BB does about Miami. Later on in the season when their is more tape that advantage will likely even out.

Probably a bigger factor is the uncharacteristically high number of penalties, and that may be due to the unusually high turnover of players from last year for the Patriots. The talent appears to be much greater, but they have to learn how to play together. The turnover from last year includes the return of the Covid opt-outs, the unprecedented (certainly for the Pats) number of high priced free agent additions, the loss of arguably their best player (Gilmore) and important roles for rookies like Mac, Barmore, and Stephenson.

Very glad to see Flores doing well although wish he wasn't in the same division and also, he doesn't have to change OC's every single year. Flores was in NE for 14 years and never the official DC. It's definitely a weird thing that just fuels the Boston national-perception narrative. It's very real.

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[nowayback]

Lazar breaks down Mac throws

 

[Deus Irae]

Found the fuller quote from Fears:

“I never thought he dropped off,” Fears said Tuesday in a video conference. “I think last year, we couldn’t take advantage of him. New scheme. Young. The way we were doing things. New quarterback. This guy (Jones) has the chance to take advantage of James. It’ll be a good thing for James. Utilize the things that he does well.”

Why Patriots' Switch To Mac Jones Will Be 'Good Thing' For James White



There's a lot more being said than just what's being said, if y'all know what I mean.

 

[patfanken]

Two of the primary hot takes today were (1) "hey Josh, could you have at least thrown it to the endzone at least once on that last drive" and (2) "With 9 QB hits what's up with the pass protection\"

One the first, my first reaction to run play that Harris fumbled, was "Damned, I wish that had run play action that play" On more sober reflection, I think running the ball was the right call for this reason. Say you score a TD on that play from the 11, you still leave the Phins with about 2:20,, 3 TOs, and the 2 minute warning to march down the field to win the game. Say it's incomplete, now you have to run the ball 2 times and kick. That would leave Miami with a TO and the 2 minute warning and about 2 minutes. However if you run the ball 3 times, even if you don't get the first down or TD, you leave Miami with no TO's and less than 2 minutes to take the ball 50 yds when the middle of the field is not an option. Unfortunately the kid fumbled. It happens, too bad.

2;. while we didn't expect our QB hits to number 9, I wouldn't panic about the OL just yet. I was thinking about this today. Defenses should definitely be ahead of offenses this early. In the no contact NFL, this was the FIRST time all preseason that the OL faced a full speed defense for an extended amount of time. It also didn't help that Brown got hurt the first series. Like everything else I EXPECT the OL to get better this week. Even if Brown doesn't play, whomever replaces him will have a full week to prepare and be better than what showed.

3. Much is being made of Stephenson being bench for his fumble. I think it has less to do with the fumble and more to do with the misses on pass protection. Pass protection has historically been the major reason rookie RB's don't play much here.

4. We all hope that we don't look back on this game as having a big effect on our playoff chances, but it was one that should have been won. STUPID penalties. I mean was it really THREE personal fouls???? 4 fumbles (2 lost) and 5 OTHER penalties that helped kill drives. Hard to won games when you do that.

 

[RIpats88]

Found the fuller quote from Fears:




Why Patriots' Switch To Mac Jones Will Be 'Good Thing' For James White



There's a lot more being said than just what's being said, if y'all know what I mean.

"Say cam newton sucks, without saying cam newton sucks"

 

[Deus Irae]

Link?

He's on the radio

Greg Bedard on Sunday’s Patriots Loss & Mac Jones // 3 Up-3 Down – 9/14 (Hour 1)
The Patriots Play in Close Games // 10 Questions with Greg Bedard // Patriots-Jets Preview - 9/14 (Hour 2)

Bedard's time bled into the second hour, so I'm giving the link to both hours one and two.

 

[captain stone]

Bedard was not happy with Jonnu Smith in this game. He listed off about half a dozen issues, including bad blocking, bad end around, bad routes, etc...

He was bad. Blocking in particular imo. Him and Henry have to be involved a lot more.

It was Jonnu Smith who whiffed on his block during 1st/10 at the Miami 30 that became 2nd/24 from their 44... Lost Trent Brown on that very same play... Those few seconds changed Everything.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

It was Jonnu Smith who whiffed on his block during 1st/10 at the Miami 30 that became 2nd/14 from their 44... Lost Trent Brown on that very same play... Those few seconds changed Everything.

He whiffed on a few on the edge I believe. He's a good blocker for sure but definitely wasn't involved and active the way I'd like.

 

[captain stone]

Very glad to see Flores doing well although wish he wasn't in the same division and also, he doesn't have to change OC's every single year. Flores was in NE for 14 years and never the official DC. It's definitely a weird thing that just fuels the Boston national-perception narrative. It's very real.

Fluck Fo would've been the DC here if he stayed.

 

[TomPatriot]

It was Jonnu Smith who whiffed on his block during 1st/10 at the Miami 30 that became 2nd/24 from their 44... Lost Trent Brown on that very same play... Those few seconds changed Everything.

So adapt. That’s not an excuse for losing.

 

[TomPatriot]

Greg Bedard on Sunday’s Patriots Loss & Mac Jones // 3 Up-3 Down – 9/14 (Hour 1)
The Patriots Play in Close Games // 10 Questions with Greg Bedard // Patriots-Jets Preview - 9/14 (Hour 2)

Bedard's time bled into the second hour, so I'm giving the link to both hours one and two.

I like Bedard a lot but he complains about the defense and forgets that the Jonathan Jones pick set up the offense to win the game. The offense then wasted that opportunity. The defense also held after the Stevenson fumble.

 

[NewEraWithMac]

I like Bedard a lot but he complains about the defense and forgets that the Jonathan Jones pick set up the offense to win the game. The offense then wasted that opportunity. The defense also held after the Stevenson fumble.

Bedard has been trolling against BB for years. That's not anything new. I don't know you allow 3.7 YPC and give up 17 points, 7 in the second half of an offensive era, and blame the defense. That's really odd. If you had told me NE would allow 17 points and Mac had a 102 QB rating with no INTs, would have said we won.

Goodell's henchmen had an impact as did the Harris fumble, obviously. Miami barely had a penalty in the game until the 3rd qtr, I believe. At one point , they pointed out Miami had no penalties. It's getting old at this point. Hilarious to me that you can call phantom holding where there was no holding, and then see a fumble called with no fumble, Judon apparently looking for a sip of Gatorade on the Miami bench with no evidence anything really bad happening, and the Adrian Phillips clip late in the game on the Jones INT, with no flag anywhere, and still proclaim someone on D was bad enough to be blamed for this loss.

This world is completely upside down. Completely. Anyone believing everything printed on their internet page needs to start doing their own homework once and for all. These gutless media heads are as bad as any disinformation spreading going on right now.

You simple have to look at the facts and understand the context of any situation. Don't rely on obese media heads or bald dorks like Mazz who have contributed to our society's unbelievable lack of critical thinking skills. It's damaging.

 

[captain stone]

Bedard has been trolling against BB for years. That's not anything new. I don't know you allow 3.7 YPC and give up 17 points, 7 in the second half of an offensive era, and blame the defense. That's really odd. If you had told me NE would allow 17 points and Mac had a 102 QB rating with no INTs, would have said we won.

Goodell's henchmen had an impact as did the Harris fumble, obviously. Miami barely had a penalty in the game until the 3rd qtr, I believe. At one point , they pointed out Miami had no penalties. It's getting old at this point. Hilarious to me that you can call phantom holding where there was no holding, and then see a fumble called with no fumble, Judon apparently looking for a sip of Gatorade on the Miami bench with no evidence anything really bad happening, and the Adrian Phillips clip late in the game on the Jones INT, with no flag anywhere, and still proclaim someone on D was bad enough to be blamed for this loss.

This world is completely upside down. Completely. Anyone believing everything printed on their internet page needs to start doing their own homework once and for all. These gutless media heads are as bad as any disinformation spreading going on right now.

You simple have to look at the facts and understand the context of any situation. Don't rely on obese media heads or bald dorks like Mazz who have contributed to our society's unbelievable lack of critical thinking skills. It's damaging.

Everything needs to be analyzed in context, including the performance of the defense, which sorry to disappoint did not come up big when it mattered most...or during Miami's opening drive of the game, a TD... or during their end-of-half drive, a FG as time expired... or during their opening 2nd-half drive, another TD...

There was bad football played on both sides of the LOS, but at least some of the problems on offense can be corrected (turnovers, penalties)...
Not as confident about those on defense...

 

[Deus Irae]

I like Bedard a lot but he complains about the defense and forgets that the Jonathan Jones pick set up the offense to win the game. The offense then wasted that opportunity. The defense also held after the Stevenson fumble.

Forgets? Not likely.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bedard has been trolling against BB for years. That's not anything new. I don't know you allow 3.7 YPC and give up 17 points, 7 in the second half of an offensive era, and blame the defense.

You do it when the defense fails to do its job.

• First Dolphins drive of the first half
• Last Dolphins drive of the first half
• First Dolphins drive of the second half
• Last Dolphins drive of the second half

All failures at critical times.

It's funny that you posted about understanding context while ignoring context.

 

[NewEraWithMac]

You do it when the defense fails to do its job.

• First Dolphins drive of the first half
• Last Dolphins drive of the first half
• First Dolphins drive of the second half
• Last Dolphins drive of the second half

All failures at critical times.

It's funny that you posted about understanding context while ignoring context.

Was this during the penalties and/or fumbles or no?