Patriots-Eagles Joint Practice (8/17)

[Rob0729]

Christ the guy is 69 years old. I'd like to see you even AT a gym at 69 (though at 74 I bench 135 three sets of 20 and NEVER squat. I walk for leg strength ) Here's the thing. The best way to lift ESPECIALLY when you get older is light weights doing 15-20 reps.

I ask kids at the gym "what is the PURPOSE of the lift you are trying to do?" And they tell me things like, "to get stronger" etc. But that is wrong. That is the GOAL of lifting, not the purpose. The PURPOSE of any lift is to fatigue the muscle to failure. Ideally it would be struggling to lift 5lbs. But that would take too long and be kind of psychotic . Doing heavy weights doesn't fully do the job. Benching 225 a few times makes me feel good, but that's just ego, I'm not improving my muscle strength.

That being said, I lost a LOT of strength during the pandemic and still more because I can't go back to the gym yet (medical situation). As to Bill squatting with just 95lbs, you would need to know how many reps he was going to do, and I bet it wasn't one.

I am considerably younger than Belichick and I can back squat in about the 225-250 lb range. But for many workouts I will use far lighter weights in the 95-125lb range especially if I am using the bar from the floor. I do CrossFit and many of the workouts are designed to have lighter weights with higher rep schemes for more endurance and cardio strength rather than muscle strength.

And I have moved more to lighter weights myself because I don't care about one rep maxes anymore and I don't care to wake up the next morning feeling like I was hit by a freight train. So I get why Belichick would be working out with 95 LBs on the back squat.

 

[PP2]

Just once, I'd appreciate the reporters making evaluations based on the team versus just individuals. The Patriots historically are not built solely on the premiere athletes - and the drill excerpts the media highlights are often "one on one" or other athletically-skewed observations.

Things like how is the OL gelling - are they able to pass off rushers, pull effectively, etc? How about the DL - are they stunting/moving at all or is it all just straight one-on-one rushes? How are they holding the point of attack? Are they able to effectively two-gap allowing the LBs to flow to the ball freely without having an OL in their face?

How about zone versus man coverage types and their relatively fluidity across the UNIT not just the individual? Are they passing off pass catchers as they cross to limit gains? Sealing zone gaps?

How are they rallying to the ball? Keeping the play in front of them?

Ultimately, this remains a team game, but all we get is "so and so" did this or that. Some of us (probably not many which answers my question) understand that the nuance behind the surface observation is likely the huge difference between how well or poorly this Patriot team may do this year.

I'm likely a minority and asking too much however.

Uh.. training camp is in fact, about individual competition. That's why the O and D is vanilla schemed in PS games. You'll see a lot of individual matchups, one on one's, and no doubling or support. Very little zone. They'll work on those when TC is over and the roster is established.

 

[Deus Irae]

Trade for Ertz during practice!

Not gonna happen. BB might give up his grandkids, but 2 first round picks? Never!

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Iggles fans are so over to top.....about everything.

Try living here. They will milk that one Super Bowl for 50 years

 

[BTTA]

I would have loved to draft this guy. I'll take Mac as a consolation prize, however.

All the advantage is with the WR at this point. By mid season, this guy's moves (and his tells) will be available on film, and quality CB's aren't going to routinely get "smoked" by him.

 

[BTTA]

If I’m being serious, 95 pounds isn’t bad for a man his age. The fact that his knees can hold up is a good sign.

Agree. Line up all Americans within 5 years of his age, and have them attempt a squat without even the bar.
A sizable portion will have to be rescued from the floor.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

Eagles’ K’Von Wallace heckles Patriots’ Cam Newton | Young DB explains his strategy

Second-year safety K'Von Wallace talked smack to New England Patriots quarterback Cam Newton as the Philadelphia Eagles hosted joint practices during training camp on Tuesday, Aug. 17, 2021 (8/17/21).

www.nj.com

 

[Deus Irae]

Eagles’ K’Von Wallace heckles Patriots’ Cam Newton | Young DB explains his strategy

Second-year safety K'Von Wallace talked smack to New England Patriots quarterback Cam Newton as the Philadelphia Eagles hosted joint practices during training camp on Tuesday, Aug. 17, 2021 (8/17/21).

www.nj.com

But the reporters are saying that Cam was great today...

 

[PScottman]

No one can play the naive card better than I.

 

[BTTA]

I am considerably younger than Belichick and I can back squat in about the 225-250 lb range. But for many workouts I will use far lighter weights in the 95-125lb range especially if I am using the bar from the floor. I do CrossFit and many of the workouts are designed to have lighter weights with higher rep schemes for more endurance and cardio strength rather than muscle strength.

And I have moved more to lighter weights myself because I don't care about one rep maxes anymore and I don't care to wake up the next morning feeling like I was hit by a freight train. So I get why Belichick would be working out with 95 LBs on the back squat.

At 63, I've given up on putting bars on my back. There's no advantage vs. holding hand weights, and a lot of potential risk. Just a little wrong twist can easily result in a back problem that can last months, or years, or forever.

Kettle bells and dumb bells for me, and favor the one legged squats for both balance and strength.

 

[PScottman]

Groupings aren't battling for 53 jobs, individuals are....it's that time of year

Sure, fair point; however as a fan the final roster is just ONE aspect of the journey to the season start. Especially on a team where that roster will change 90 times (especially at the back end) in just the first half of the season. 22 individuals wouldn't win a single game no matter how they're gathered if just thrown on the field and told "Go!".

 

[Ross12]

Eagles’ K’Von Wallace heckles Patriots’ Cam Newton | Young DB explains his strategy

Second-year safety K'Von Wallace talked smack to New England Patriots quarterback Cam Newton as the Philadelphia Eagles hosted joint practices during training camp on Tuesday, Aug. 17, 2021 (8/17/21).

www.nj.com

Lol... yeah, real insulting... "haha you're such a loser, you completed 13 of 14 passes with 1 drop against us! But they were mostly short passes! You suck!"

News flash to Mr. Wallace... if you give up the dink and dunk all game long, including in the red zone (which was the focus today), and they make it into the end zone, the points count just the same as long bombs, and you still lose.

 

[PScottman]

Covering TE appear to be the only real wart on the defense this year?

Without scheme, alignments, assignments, across an entire defense (context) I don't believe that's a known fact. One on one - the data seems to point to that.

But are the DL/LB forcefully chucking the TE to alter the route and timing? (very doubtful, even in pads) Are there any double-teams to force throws elsewhere? (doubtful)

More is needed before that declaration is settled.

 

[patfanken]

I am considerably younger than Belichick and I can back squat in about the 225-250 lb range. But for many workouts I will use far lighter weights in the 95-125lb range especially if I am using the bar from the floor. I do CrossFit and many of the workouts are designed to have lighter weights with higher rep schemes for more endurance and cardio strength rather than muscle strength.

And I have moved more to lighter weights myself because I don't care about one rep maxes anymore and I don't care to wake up the next morning feeling like I was hit by a freight train. So I get why Belichick would be working out with 95 LBs on the back squat.

I have had few problems with my back, just the stiffness that comes with age. But years ago I decided stop doing anything that risks any back injury, so I never squat. Too risky. Too much of a temptation to lift heavy. Too easy to lose your technique and it only takes one slip. Occasionally I use the sit down leg machines, but mostly I think walking is the best exercise for the legs and pretty much everything else.

But the bottom line is that as you age, the old adage of "use it or lose it" is paramount. So it doesn't really matter WHAT you do as long as its something and that its done regularly, which has been harder to do the past 2 years.

I just saw that the daily infection rate of Covid is getting closer to the 245K/day number we had at the peak of last year. Something like 180K IIRC. Hospitals will run out ol beds in a week in Louisiana. Lessons never learned like Afghanistan. Ah me so sad.

 

[Hyped]

Iggles fans are so over to top.....about everything.

They eat horse$hit.... (shrugs)

 

[Deus Irae]

Lol... yeah, real insulting... "haha you're such a loser, you completed 13 of 14 passes with 1 drop against us! But they were mostly short passes! You suck!"

News flash to Mr. Wallace... if you give up the dink and dunk all game long, including in the red zone (which was the focus today), and they make it into the end zone, the points count just the same as long bombs, and you still lose.

FFirst, let me make clear that I'm not evaluating the specifics of today. Second, practice is not the time to be the checkdown king, especially for veterans.

 

[captain stone]

Winovich too . Winovich, Jennings, Bentley better watch out.

Why? There's nobody in the building to replace Any of them.

 

[captain stone]

Covering TE appear to be the only real wart on the defense this year?

Yep...That and the Stopping the Run thingy...

 

[mgcolby]

That’s a whole 95 pounds that he’s squatting. Damn, Bill. Save some gains for the rest of us.

Do you think through your posts? I mean jesus, what would happen if he broke a hip? Can't afford him to be on the IR. Who would coach? C'mon son you are better than this.

Wait a second, if BB is on the IR than Josh would be the next man up. Dropkick would have a nervous breakdown and you can't create new threads while in a straight jacket.

My apologies, it is I, who had to fully think through the genius of your post.

 

[patfanken]

FFirst, let me make clear that I'm not evaluating the specifics of today. Second, practice is not the time to be the checkdown king, especially for veterans.

I agree. They are not practicing to win anything they should be trying to throw balls into tight windows if they have to, forget about the results. I'd love to see more 10-15 yd throws down field. Its like a pitcher in spring training trying to master a new pitch and gets beat with it, He's not going to get better if he doesn't practice throwing it and who cares if he gets dinged in spring training. That's what its for.

These days when mediots are giving all kinds of passing stats, the QB's are too mindful of making completions rather than practicing throw downfield. Just my humble opinion