PATRIOTS TRAINING CAMP Day 3 and 4 Training Camp Thread-Friday July 30th & Sat 31st

[Le Numéro Douze]

Always depends what the text messages are

"Mr. Hoyer, please come and pick me up at the after-party, I need to shower before practice"

 

[Kontradiction]

Always depends what the text messages are

"Mr. Hoyer, please come and pick me up at the after-party, I need to shower before practice"

“U up?”

 

[Zuma]

Always depends what the text messages are

"Mr. Hoyer, please come and pick me up at the after-party, I need to shower before practice"

 

[Uptown]

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

So he’s the first one in the building. Is he the last one out, though?

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[Uptown]

BB

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

The defense winning practice this early on doesn’t surprise or alarm me. Defense usually comes out ahead of offense early on. This is more about the offense working on its timing and some situational football.

Agree just pointing out we're already getting discrepancies from people there.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Here's a question:

How quickly do you think you'll be confident in your general assessment of Mac's NFL outlook?

Based on what I've seen the last 10-20 years, I'm going to be fairly convinced quickly about whether or not he'll succeed. Virtually every time a guy looks like a bust, he winds up being a bust. Virtually every star QB today got off to a hot start and "got it" right away when he started playing in games, and usually there was a lot of chatter in the preseason.

I'm sure you can name plenty of counter examples, and I'm not claiming there aren't counter examples. But by and large, a guy's abilities are pretty clear.

So, I'll just say now, I'll jump to conclusions (on my mat) re: Jones faster than most people, either way. If he dominates, I'll be drinking the Kool-Aid; if he sucks, I'll remain the a bRaDy StAn in your eyes. But I'm saying in advance I will be consistent on this...because I strongly believe the idea a 2-year or 3-year quarterback development plan is largely a myth.

This doesn't mean I'll draw conclusions the first practice of the first week of TC or necessarily even TC at all. It really depends on if he stands out obviously as good or bad. But I suspect we'll know sooner and not later...likely before the end of his rookie year. If he starts a few games, we'll know.

 

[Dragda]

Thought I would start a new thread as the other thread is getting very long. Might be a good idea to start these on a daily basis as in the past. Also getting pm's from posters asking where are the training camp threads..... If you have a poster on ignore and they start a thread, you will not be able to see it. just an fyi.

I must have the other posters on ignore. This is the first I have seen. They must start arguments.

 

[Steve102]

Bounce... probably not a good word choice when describing Cam Newton.

 

[jimnance]

Yes I agree for the Patriots. For the past 20 years that makes sense.

Elijah is right. Wr1/2/3 has nothing yo do with what position they play. JE certainly lined up all over the field but so did A.Brown, who played a lot of slot but like JE,was always wr1. The designation is about who is your TOP wr- not where they line up. The best wrs today play mutiple positions. Julio Jones has done plenty of work in the slot.

 

[Zuma]

JE,was always wr1

I see it different.

 

[50-yard-line]

I get where you're coming from, but come on man... can we enjoy the first few days of camp before we turn full sourpuss

no!

 

[jimnance]

I see it different.

How so? Edelman was the Pats wr1 for a long time, right up to his retirement. You gotta go back a lotta years to early in his career for when he wasnt Pats top wr.
All due respect bro, you might see it different but youre wrong

 

[Zuma]

How so? Edelman was the Pats wr1 for a long time, right up to his retirement. You gotta go back a lotta years to early in his career for when he wasnt Pats top wr.
All due respect bro, you might see it different but youre wrong

I don't mind being wrong. I just think it's about match ups and not WR1. Edelman almost always had the upper hand in who was covering him because of his skills...so it made more sense to go to him because he was the superior player....not because he was WR1.

 

[jimnance]

I don't mind being wrong. I just think it's about match ups and not WR1. Edelman almost always had the upper hand in who was covering him because of his skills...so it made more sense to go to him because he was the superior player....not because he was WR1.

Dont want to get into semantics with you.
But again, theres no correlation between the x,y,z and 1,2,3. I,2,3 simply refers to the order of your best wrs. You wont see 1,2 or 3 in a playbook. Youll see xyz.
Your wr1 could be primarily a sb(slot) or an x or even a z.
Edelman was not a slot receiver. Welker was. JE had many seasons when he caught more balls outside than inside the #'s. Look it up.
Jerry Rice is the goat wr. He played a LOT in the slot,as well as x.
I think people confuse slot recs with possession recs. In rhe old days thats what a lot of sbs were: quick hit, tackled right away , no yac ability. That doesnt describe JE or a lot of others who play there a bit. Today your slot can be the best athlete of all your wrs and often the fastest as well as the quickest. And plenty of top x recs,like Julio, will play slot as well because of the mismatches.

 

[Zuma]

Dont want to get into semantics with you.
But again, theres no correlation between the x,y,z and 1,2,3. I,2,3 simply refers to the order of your best wrs. You wont see 1,2 or 3 in a playbook. Youll see xyz.
Your wr1 could be primarily a sb(slot) or an x or even a z.
Edelman was not a slot receiver. Welker was. JE had many seasons when he caught more balls outside than inside the #'s. Look it up.
Jerry Rice is the goat wr. He played a LOT in the slot,as well as x.
I think people confuse slot recs with possession recs. In rhe old days thats what a lot of sbs were: quick hit, tackled right away , no yac ability. That doesnt describe JE or a lot of others who play there a bit. Today your slot can be the best athlete of all your wrs and often the fastest as well as the quickest. And plenty of top x recs,like Julio, will play slot as well because of the mismatches.

I agree and I think it's semantics as I said originally. Although I do see a little different skill set with Jerry Rice and Julio Jones compared to Julian Edelman.

 

[reflexblue]

And yet, by all accounts, he's caught the balls thrown to him in TC.. Shrug..

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. I backed him up until he demanded a trade which is laughable because hes shown zilch since his rookie training camp.

 

[Uptown]

6am?!? This guy’s work ethic is on par with Harry’s. This is NE; 2am is the standard! Get this guy outta here

 

[Uptown]

20-0?