Falcons open to trading the number 4 pick.

[sb1]

How did they forget the legendary Dwayne Robertson who are rumored to have traded up for him in fear Bill was going to?

2003 draft analysis from a Boston sports writer. You have one guess who it is.
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HONOR ROLL

NEW YORK JETS

The Jets have had a miserable offseason, but GM Terry Bradway got some redemption Saturday by swapping his two No. 1s with Chicago to land DT Dewayne Robertson, who many say is a bigger Warren Sapp. That pick not only gave them a force in the middle of a defense that was 18th in the league vs. the run, but also short-circuited division rival New England from grabbing Robertson. The Patriots coveted him, but the Jets felt sure New England could not get above them even though they had a wealth of picks to trade. They were right. That move alone puts them on the honor roll this year.

Grade: B+

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NEED TO TRY HARDER

NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

The Patriots entered the draft with 13 picks, including five on the first day, and left with three players and Baltimore’s No. 1 pick next year. That pick sets them up well for 2004 with two No. 1s and two No. 2s but it doesn’t do anything for an aging defense this year. New England got outmaneuvered by the Jets in the race for Dewayne Robertson, and stunned by the Saints when they moved up to No. 6 and took Johnathan Sullivan. That forced New England to have to trade up one slot just to grab the fourth or fifth best defensive tackle, Ty Warren. And Warren hasn’t played nose tackle in two years. Second round choice Eugene Wilson was a good pick of a guy who many felt was a first round talent, but wide receiver Bethel Johnson was a reach later in the round. He has tremendous speed but has been unproductive and often unfocused. That’s not much of a haul considering what was expected.

Grade: C-

 

[Lansdowne]

2003 draft analysis from a Boston sports writer. You have one guess who it is.
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HONOR ROLL

NEW YORK JETS

The Jets have had a miserable offseason, but GM Terry Bradway got some redemption Saturday by swapping his two No. 1s with Chicago to land DT Dewayne Robertson, who many say is a bigger Warren Sapp. That pick not only gave them a force in the middle of a defense that was 18th in the league vs. the run, but also short-circuited division rival New England from grabbing Robertson. The Patriots coveted him, but the Jets felt sure New England could not get above them even though they had a wealth of picks to trade. They were right. That move alone puts them on the honor roll this year.

Grade: B+

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NEED TO TRY HARDER

NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS

The Patriots entered the draft with 13 picks, including five on the first day, and left with three players and Baltimore’s No. 1 pick next year. That pick sets them up well for 2004 with two No. 1s and two No. 2s but it doesn’t do anything for an aging defense this year. New England got outmaneuvered by the Jets in the race for Dewayne Robertson, and stunned by the Saints when they moved up to No. 6 and took Johnathan Sullivan. That forced New England to have to trade up one slot just to grab the fourth or fifth best defensive tackle, Ty Warren. And Warren hasn’t played nose tackle in two years. Second round choice Eugene Wilson was a good pick of a guy who many felt was a first round talent, but wide receiver Bethel Johnson was a reach later in the round. He has tremendous speed but has been unproductive and often unfocused. That’s not much of a haul considering what was expected.

Grade: C-

LMAO, I guessed it right the first time. I listened to enough WEEI in the early 2000’s to figure it out.

 

[Ring 6]

So, play as we did last year, albeit with a much stronger roster. So, we'll pick a bit lower next year, or maybe a bit higher fi we trade a couple of top players and trade a couple of picks into 2022. And then we can HOPE that we can draft a top QB who will likely take a year to develop. So, this is a plan to HOPE to only kill two seasons.

No one says the rookie can’t play. But we are killing every season that we accept garbage at qb.
If this is supposed to be a good year for QBs how do we justify not getting one? Why would we get one next year.
If belichick thinks like a lot of people on this board, every QB you could possibly get is overpriced unless no one wants them. If belichick thinks like that there will be lean years until he moves on. Of course he doesn’t. Just like he didn’t do what basically everyone but me says he was going to do in free agency.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

“Extra first and second round picks you said? How about this...instead of giving you those picks, we’ll give you four underperforming players! How’s that sound? “

If they want more, then I am happy to throw in slowjuan and Cunningham!

 

[Lansdowne]

If they want more, then I am happy to throw in slowjuan and Cunningham!

Nah they don’t want Slowjuan, they want Lacosse, gotta give them what they want!

 

[captain stone]

Might as well tank cuz we ain’t winning with that garbage pile

Fine by me...It's what Bill should've done this past season anyway.

 

[captain stone]

The Patriots entered the draft with 13 picks, including five on the first day, and left with three players and Baltimore’s No. 1 pick next year. That pick sets them up well for 2004 with two No. 1s and two No. 2s but it doesn’t do anything for an aging defense this year. New England got outmaneuvered by the Jets in the race for Dewayne Robertson, and stunned by the Saints when they moved up to No. 6 and took Johnathan Sullivan. That forced New England to have to trade up one slot just to grab the fourth or fifth best defensive tackle, Ty Warren. And Warren hasn’t played nose tackle in two years. Second round choice Eugene Wilson was a good pick of a guy who many felt was a first round talent, but wide receiver Bethel Johnson was a reach later in the round. He has tremendous speed but has been unproductive and often unfocused. That’s not much of a haul considering what was expected.

Grade: C-

At least he was right about Bethel Johnson, as others were...

 

[Ivan]

I think the price is too high. I would take any one of the top five if they fell to 8 or below, but Lawrence is the only one I would give up multiple first round picks for.

 

[Ivan]

so, you support Cam starting for the next couple of years?

Being willing to trade with DEN is rich. We need to trade to at least 7, and that will likely no be high enough.

Not wanting to give up multiple 1sts doesn’t mean we want to be stuck with Newton for the next couple of years. There are viable options to get a different QB through trades, free agency, and the draft. Once the Draft is over Garrapolo’s value to S.F. will change, and Mariota is also a possibility for a trade. Alex Smith is still out there and I would seriously look at bringing him in to compete with Newton. And there are prospects like Mond, Trask, and Davis who should be available after the first round.

I think the way Belichick is looking at this is that he wants to build a dominant defense and running game that will allow a good, but not great QB to lead them to a Lombardi. Denver won with the worst quarterback in football when they beat Carolina, Manning didn’t throw a TD pass in the playoffs that year, but their defense was completely dominant throughout. Having a great QB is always the most desirable position to be in, but giving up multiple 1st round picks to go up and get a high pick QB has blown up in the face of many teams that have tried it.

I think the price to move up is too high, but I have only a fraction of the information that Belichick has on these QB’s, and if they decide that Lance or Fields, or even Jones is worth that price then I’m not going to argue about it, but given what I know I wouldn’t do it.

 

[1960Pats]

BB tried to trade up for Baker Mayfield so I think if there is a guy he likes, then he will trade up. We have the draft capital and have filled open spots on the roster in FA. Trying to guess what BB will do in the draft is pointless because i never get it right. We will see very soon how this plays out.

How do we know that Bill tried to trade up for Mayfield?

Btw, I've never been wrong about a Belichick draft pick.




I never make a guess.

 

[1960Pats]

1. Whether JAG is better than what Tua/Hurts will be is debatable.
2. JAG hasn't been able to stay healthy. You need your QB1 to be able to stay on the field.
3. Lawrence is considered a can't miss prospect of the sort that comes along 1-2 times a decade.
4. Despite the recent Cardinals/Jets moves with the teams drafting a second high pick in just a couple of years, teams rarely give up on high first round QBs before the first contract is up/in its last year.

3. After all the hoopla it would be hilarious if Lawrence turned into nothing special. It could happen.

 

[Ring 6]

3. After all the hoopla it would be hilarious if Lawrence turned into nothing special. It could happen.

Of course it could.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Nah they don’t want Slowjuan, they want Lacosse, gotta give them what they want!

if they take lacosse then they are going to need someone to throw to him, so I am willing to even throw stidham in the deal!

 

[mgteich]

Not wanting to give up multiple 1sts doesn’t mean we want to be stuck with Newton for the next couple of years. There are viable options to get a different QB through trades, free agency, and the draft. Once the Draft is over Garrapolo’s value to S.F. will change, and Mariota is also a possibility for a trade. Alex Smith is still out there and I would seriously look at bringing him in to compete with Newton. And there are prospects like Mond, Trask, and Davis who should be available after the first round.

I think the way Belichick is looking at this is that he wants to build a dominant defense and running game that will allow a good, but not great QB to lead them to a Lombardi. Denver won with the worst quarterback in football when they beat Carolina, Manning didn’t throw a TD pass in the playoffs that year, but their defense was completely dominant throughout. Having a great QB is always the most desirable position to be in, but giving up multiple 1st round picks to go up and get a high pick QB has blown up in the face of many teams that have tried it.

I think the price to move up is too high, but I have only a fraction of the information that Belichick has on these QB’s, and if they decide that Lance or Fields, or even Jones is worth that price then I’m not going to argue about it, but given what I know I wouldn’t do it.

I disagree, fair enough.

Why did we choose Newton over some of the quarterbacks that were available? Would be be worse of with Trubisky with Cam's contract? Perhaps my problem is that I fear that Belichick believes that Cam is a better option than the quarterbacks available, except for Jimmy. I could certainly see Bill trading down from 15 (after missing on the top 5) and sending the pick to SF for Jimmy.

 

[Brandon_Cox]

On the ground here in Atlanta, there is a strong consensus that whatever the Falcons do, they're going to royally screw it up

 

[Ivan]

I disagree, fair enough.

Why did we choose Newton over some of the quarterbacks that were available? Would be be worse of with Trubisky with Cam's contract? Perhaps my problem is that I fear that Belichick believes that Cam is a better option than the quarterbacks available, except for Jimmy. I could certainly see Bill trading down from 15 (after missing on the top 5) and sending the pick to SF for Jimmy.

Interesting scenario, and not one I really like, unless it involves a 2nd that was the trade price, and the Patriots kept the later 1st. Like most I want QB addressed, I’m not a fan of Newton, I just don’t like the idea of giving up multiple 1sts for a rookie. If they are completely sold on the guy then I’ll be OK with it, but he better be right.

 

[mgteich]

On the ground here in Atlanta, there is a strong consensus that whatever the Falcons do, they're going to royally screw it up

it must be great having such a loyal fanbase.

 

[mgteich]

Interesting scenario, and not one I really like, unless it involves a 2nd that was the trade price, and the Patriots kept the later 1st. Like most I want QB addressed, I’m not a fan of Newton, I just don’t like the idea of giving up multiple 1sts for a rookie. If they are completely sold on the guy then I’ll be OK with it, but he better be right.

Is it worth trading up for a 50-50 chance at a top 10 quarterback. You say only if the team is completely sold on the player. Well, there is likely only one quarterback in that category, and that is likely to be the case every year.

So, it seems that you want to trade for those other have chosen and rejected and hope to win with them. I suppose this is a reasonable approach. Cam is one arrow; now trade for another one.

I suppose that this is a possible strategy. I would think that we might have signed Trubisky or one of the others (instead of Cam). In any case, perhaps, we have Jimmy or Bridgewater in mind. The problem with this strategy is that we don't ever have the chance at the successful QB picked at the top of the drafted. We choose from those who have failed with the team that drafted them. We won't ever have the one that succeeded.

 

[Ring 6]

Not wanting to give up multiple 1sts doesn’t mean we want to be stuck with Newton for the next couple of years. There are viable options to get a different QB through trades, free agency, and the draft. Once the Draft is over Garrapolo’s value to S.F. will change, and Mariota is also a possibility for a trade. Alex Smith is still out there and I would seriously look at bringing him in to compete with Newton. And there are prospects like Mond, Trask, and Davis who should be available after the first round.

I think the way Belichick is looking at this is that he wants to build a dominant defense and running game that will allow a good, but not great QB to lead them to a Lombardi. Denver won with the worst quarterback in football when they beat Carolina, Manning didn’t throw a TD pass in the playoffs that year, but their defense was completely dominant throughout. Having a great QB is always the most desirable position to be in, but giving up multiple 1st round picks to go up and get a high pick QB has blown up in the face of many teams that have tried it.

I think the price to move up is too high, but I have only a fraction of the information that Belichick has on these QB’s, and if they decide that Lance or Fields, or even Jones is worth that price then I’m not going to argue about it, but given what I know I wouldn’t do it.

Understand what you are suggesting
1) the top tier QBs aren’t worth it so draft one that nobody really wants
2) trade or sign a free agent. Which amounts to grabbing the gut no one else wants. You literally included Alex smith who has zero chance of making it through a season and to a SB.

it like we are saying LG is a problem so just go find some guy.
We aren’t winning without a top qb. We have to do whatever it takes to get one.

 

[sb1]

Understand what you are suggesting
1) the top tier QBs aren’t worth it so draft one that nobody really wants
2) trade or sign a free agent. Which amounts to grabbing the gut no one else wants. You literally included Alex smith who has zero chance of making it through a season and to a SB.

it like we are saying LG is a problem so just go find some guy.
We aren’t winning without a top qb. We have to do whatever it takes to get one.

Don’t necessarily need a top QB (Eli Manning isn’t a top QB and he has 2 rings) but a good one. Which we have to assume Cam isn’t anymore, at least until proven otherwise.