DRAFT BGC 2021 Pre-Draft/Patriot-Type Prospect(s) thread

[Joker]

Rung 666 will definitely have a scathing post draft review of your hard work, BGC. Could be just the thing to launch YOU into the national sports media limelight...

 

[Patsgofor4]

@BaconGrundleCandy, or any other college draft wonks here....thoughts on Elerson Smith? Seems like a potential under-the-radar Day 3 guy for the Pats. Ideal size for a Belichick edge at over 6-6 with an 83 inch wingspan. Apparently had a solid Senior Bowl week.

2019: 14.0 sacks, 21.5 tackles for loss, 5 forced fumbles, 4 pass deflections, and 2 blocked kicks. Blocked kicks always make it move for BB.

Elerson Smith, EDGE, UNI - NFL Draft Player Profile

UNI edge rusher Elerson Smith has long been a sleeper NFL Draft prospect. What does he need to do to shed that label and rise up the board?

www.profootballnetwork.com

PS: Sorry if he has already been discussed in this thread.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

@reamer @patsfanfromoversea @Mark Morse @long distance @Joker @KontradictioN @patfanken @One-If-By-Sea @borisman @Scotty @Uptown @upstater1 @Tony2046 @captain stone @DaBruinz @masterbouncer @JarOfMayo51 @State @ctpatsfan77 @Steve:Section 102

Apologies for the time but it was tough sorting through all the info. Last year I had one sheet with everything available. This year was a bit different, working off a few different sheets.

Anyway this is a decent representation of what a Patriots board would look like imo. I definitely plan on cutting some names. I want to be around 100. I'm around 120-130 now, I don't include on udfa prospects. It's said the Pats have a notoriously small board. Anywhere from 75-125 names. I have to think it changes every so often but again I'll try to get as close to 100 as possible. Updating it all the way until draft day.

How did I get here? Every team has a type. Whether its a DB's arm length, LB's 40 or OL 3 cone. Every team looks for certain things in different positions. Pats are no different.

I looked at height, weight, arm length, testing #'s for certain drills we favor for each position and then placed each prospect where I think their value is. This is the most subjective part of the process for sure. I have a good hit rate compared to the NFL, a little less so I feel good about where each prospect is in terms of value.

So I need a little help cutting down. Give me some suggestions. Someone not on there that should be? Let me know and I'll definitely consider it. This board is perfect amd I definitely make mistakes so please speak up. Fwiw there's a decent chance the prospect just didn't perform well in w/e drill we favor for that position.

I'll post this on the 1st page if anyone is looking and can't find this post. I should be done with me personal grades tonight/tomorrow so I'll post those as well when I'm done.

2021 PTP BOARD

NEP 2021 NFL DRAFT BOARD.xlsx

Microsoft Excel Workbook

1drv.ms

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Dito, I guess a trade up to 7 or 8 will do it rn except some other team like WFT trades up heavy to 4/5. But if i'm ATL Cincy and Miami I'm going Pitts Sewell and Chase in that order. Just too good to pass here.

It's going to be tough. Once SF traded for 3 things got crazy. You know 3 QB's are coming off 1 2 3 and teams won't wait on a guy like Fields or Lance and Jones will go soon after.

Its a waiting game until another team blinks. Detroit is still an option. If Mia stays puts, takes a non-QB and Lance or Fields is there. That might be you're best shot in a long time at a QB of that caliber.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

@Patsgofor4

Elerson Smith thoughts ..

Smith is an interesting, possible tweener type prospect. He's certainly not in his final form yet. He has to get stronger, develop his pass rush plan/techniques and improve run defense when its coming straight at him.

His first step is always on point, does a great job at establishing first contact, fighting for and gaining inside hands but its his low eyes that wins him a lot of reps. Head and eyes are usually lower than his man. Always peeking at the play. Decent job at containing and keeping his outside shoulder clean to cut off stretch stuff. He has to get stronger and play with better gap integrity. Can't hold his ground and doesn't have the core strength to fight off reaches or drive blocks. Has to get stronger where it matters. Core/legs. Length, motor and ability to shoot helps him on the back side where he's a + defender. Shows flashes with both but needs work taking on play side runs.

Not much of a rusher rn. Not enough flexibility or bend or much of it to begin with to threaten edge consistently. Good speed to power and has some potential there if he continues to improve his hands to disengage. Uses hesi moves to attack in/out, get his man off balance. He's going to need to really use his hands to create some variety imo bc of his lack of natural flexibility. Learn to work and find hands of his man. Forklift, push/pull etc .. Good first step but he's a snap jumper as opposed to having a legit first step.

Big boy at 6'6 260-ish and could probably add 10lbs. He was used all over the place, 3, 4, 6, 7, 9. Gave Radunz a hard time a few reps.

+ awareness, recognition and overall football IQ. Smart player that wins a lot of reps upstairs.

Ultimately I'm not sure where he makes it bc of his inconsistencies in the run game and lack of NFL ready pass rush tools but he does just enough right. Has great size and motor, you want to make a spot for him. You can't throw him in the fire but he definitely has some potential as a possible end you kick inside. Or if you really think it's necessary, have him put on 15 pounds, give him a year and see how he plays in a Wise type role. The weight might be necessary anyway.

More thoughts or same stuff bc I'm not that smart or articulate lol ..
I love his motor & fight. He's usually always overmatched in terms of size/strength but fights his butt off. He's gained a lot of good weight and should continue to do so so that's hopeful.

Vg snap jumper, timer. Good anticipation & focus. It's great to be first & explosive but how much ground are you covering? Are you making the tackle think, react, move differently? He gains ground with his long-self.

Really like his upside in the run game bc of his fight. If he can get stronger he'll be a tough battle play/back side. Keep his outside shoulder clean, contain, cut off angles with + speed.

He needs an NFL training program in the worst way. Not that him & his school haven't been killing it but NFL is just different. He'll be with the best of the best from staff to training partners. Get stronger in his lower half and core and see what happens.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

 

[Patsgofor4]

@reamer @patsfanfromoversea @Mark Morse @long distance @Joker @KontradictioN @patfanken @One-If-By-Sea @borisman @Scotty @Uptown @upstater1 @Tony2046 @captain stone @DaBruinz @masterbouncer @JarOfMayo51 @State @ctpatsfan77 @Steve:Section 102

Apologies for the time but it was tough sorting through all the info. Last year I had one sheet with everything available. This year was a bit different, working off a few different sheets.

Anyway this is a decent representation of what a Patriots board would look like imo. I definitely plan on cutting some names. I want to be around 100. I'm around 120-130 now, I don't include on udfa prospects. It's said the Pats have a notoriously small board. Anywhere from 75-125 names. I have to think it changes every so often but again I'll try to get as close to 100 as possible. Updating it all the way until draft day.

How did I get here? Every team has a type. Whether its a DB's arm length, LB's 40 or OL 3 cone. Every team looks for certain things in different positions. Pats are no different.

I looked at height, weight, arm length, testing #'s for certain drills we favor for each position and then placed each prospect where I think their value is. This is the most subjective part of the process for sure. I have a good hit rate compared to the NFL, a little less so I feel good about where each prospect is in terms of value.

So I need a little help cutting down. Give me some suggestions. Someone not on there that should be? Let me know and I'll definitely consider it. This board is perfect amd I definitely make mistakes so please speak up. Fwiw there's a decent chance the prospect just didn't perform well in w/e drill we favor for that position.

I'll post this on the 1st page if anyone is looking and can't find this post. I should be done with me personal grades tonight/tomorrow so I'll post those as well when I'm done.

2021 PTP BOARD

NEP 2021 NFL DRAFT BOARD.xlsx

Microsoft Excel Workbook

1drv.ms

Thank you for putting this together. I was surprised that Felton wasn’t on the list. Does the new deal for Sweet Feet have something to do with that or do you not feel that he is a good fit for the Pats?

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Thank you for putting this together. I was surprised that Felton wasn’t on the list. Does the new deal for Sweet Feet have something to do with that or do you not feel that he is a good fit for the Pats?

Thinking about taking Michael Carter off as well. Yes partly, White but also we don't draft sub 200lb RB for the most part. Felton is borderline but his weight with White back was a no-no. Again might take off Carter but hes a better runner than Felton so I'm kind of stuck there.

 

[DaBruinz]

@BaconGrundleCandy - As always, you're top board is amazing to look at..

Names that I'm surprised aren't on the list:
Josh Myers
Trevon Moehrig

Names that Surprised me:
Kyle Trask
Every TE after Pitts.

What are the little circles for after Samuel and Melifonwu?

 

[long distance]

@reamer @patsfanfromoversea @Mark Morse @long distance @Joker @KontradictioN @patfanken @One-If-By-Sea @borisman @Scotty @Uptown @upstater1 @Tony2046 @captain stone @DaBruinz @masterbouncer @JarOfMayo51 @State @ctpatsfan77 @Steve:Section 102

Apologies for the time but it was tough sorting through all the info. Last year I had one sheet with everything available. This year was a bit different, working off a few different sheets.

Anyway this is a decent representation of what a Patriots board would look like imo. I definitely plan on cutting some names. I want to be around 100. I'm around 120-130 now, I don't include on udfa prospects. It's said the Pats have a notoriously small board. Anywhere from 75-125 names. I have to think it changes every so often but again I'll try to get as close to 100 as possible. Updating it all the way until draft day.

How did I get here? Every team has a type. Whether its a DB's arm length, LB's 40 or OL 3 cone. Every team looks for certain things in different positions. Pats are no different.

I looked at height, weight, arm length, testing #'s for certain drills we favor for each position and then placed each prospect where I think their value is. This is the most subjective part of the process for sure. I have a good hit rate compared to the NFL, a little less so I feel good about where each prospect is in terms of value.

So I need a little help cutting down. Give me some suggestions. Someone not on there that should be? Let me know and I'll definitely consider it. This board is perfect amd I definitely make mistakes so please speak up. Fwiw there's a decent chance the prospect just didn't perform well in w/e drill we favor for that position.

I'll post this on the 1st page if anyone is looking and can't find this post. I should be done with me personal grades tonight/tomorrow so I'll post those as well when I'm done.

2021 PTP BOARD

NEP 2021 NFL DRAFT BOARD.xlsx

Microsoft Excel Workbook

1drv.ms

First of all - amazing job!
Id send you $ if i believed in money so just big thanks! (but @Ian could consider it )

I think this BOARD deserves its own thread so that discussion can be more focused
(this thread is already very busy with great variety of posts..)
(It can also serve as complementary condense “readers digest“ version of this thread later on..)

I hope you agree and create the PTP BOARD thread - and ill gladly offer my contributions there

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

@BaconGrundleCandy - As always, you're top board is amazing to look at..

Names that I'm surprised aren't on the list:
Josh Myers
Trevon Moehrig

Yea Myers didn't test so I might put him on.

For the S position the Pats have favored the vertical (36) & broad jump (10). Moehrig come up a little short on the vert (33) and didnt do the other jump. He's 50/50 for me.

Names that Surprised me:
Kyle Trask
Every TE after Pitts.

Trask actually fits here he's just uninspiring. Tough to get excited about him but he checks a lot of boxes we like at that spot.

Yea I might purposely cut a few TE bc we're obviously not spending a lot of capital there.

What are the little circles for after Samuel and Melifonwu?

Related to former players, bloodlines. I was going to put a * next to guys that really tested well in the drills we like but testing doesn't matter as much as film so I didn't want to get too crazy. Obviously Horn & Surtain and a few others but again I didn't want to go nuts with different symbols. Maybe once I get more time.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

First of all - amazing job!
Id send you $ if i believed in money so just big thanks! (but @Ian could consider it )

I think this BOARD deserves its own thread so that discussion can be more focused
(this thread is already very busy with great variety of posts..)
(It can also serve as complementary condense “readers digest“ version of this thread later on..)

I hope you agree and create the PTP BOARD thread - and ill gladly offer my contributions there

I was thinking the same tbh. A little more specific and Pats related. This thread was more of a "here's who in the draft" type deal. I'll start one in a day or so.

 

[upstater1]

@reamer @patsfanfromoversea @Mark Morse @long distance @Joker @KontradictioN @patfanken @One-If-By-Sea @borisman @Scotty @Uptown @upstater1 @Tony2046 @captain stone @DaBruinz @masterbouncer @JarOfMayo51 @State @ctpatsfan77 @Steve:Section 102

Apologies for the time but it was tough sorting through all the info. Last year I had one sheet with everything available. This year was a bit different, working off a few different sheets.

Anyway this is a decent representation of what a Patriots board would look like imo. I definitely plan on cutting some names. I want to be around 100. I'm around 120-130 now, I don't include on udfa prospects. It's said the Pats have a notoriously small board. Anywhere from 75-125 names. I have to think it changes every so often but again I'll try to get as close to 100 as possible. Updating it all the way until draft day.

How did I get here? Every team has a type. Whether its a DB's arm length, LB's 40 or OL 3 cone. Every team looks for certain things in different positions. Pats are no different.

I looked at height, weight, arm length, testing #'s for certain drills we favor for each position and then placed each prospect where I think their value is. This is the most subjective part of the process for sure. I have a good hit rate compared to the NFL, a little less so I feel good about where each prospect is in terms of value.

So I need a little help cutting down. Give me some suggestions. Someone not on there that should be? Let me know and I'll definitely consider it. This board is perfect amd I definitely make mistakes so please speak up. Fwiw there's a decent chance the prospect just didn't perform well in w/e drill we favor for that position.

I'll post this on the 1st page if anyone is looking and can't find this post. I should be done with me personal grades tonight/tomorrow so I'll post those as well when I'm done.

2021 PTP BOARD

NEP 2021 NFL DRAFT BOARD.xlsx

Microsoft Excel Workbook

1drv.ms

I always appreciate your work. The only thing I would add is that Belichick may still like the huge body guys on the OL and DL, but he's going faster and smaller elsewhere. I can't help but think some of the slow thumpers like Dylan Moses are not in favor anymore, whereas a guy like the Notre Dame LB may actually get a look in the 2nd round, though he's light. Belichick seems to be moving toward playing 6 DBs with one of them being more effectively a LB. I'm talking about Dugger here. Obviously Parsons is the best of both worlds.

I would add Jamie Newman to the QB list, even ahead of Mills. He has all the tools, but he reminds of the type of guys Belichick has gone for in the past, Cassels or Brisset, Etling etc. Guys with not much of a record, diamonds in the rough.

I would put Greg Newsome in the first round category as well. The type of guy that will go 20-30.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I always appreciate your work. The only thing I would add is that Belichick may still like the huge body guys on the OL and DL, but he's going faster and smaller elsewhere. I can't help but think some of the slow thumpers like Dylan Moses are not in favor anymore, whereas a guy like the Notre Dame LB may actually get a look in the 2nd round, though he's light. Belichick seems to be moving toward playing 6 DBs with one of them being more effectively a LB. I'm talking about Dugger here. Obviously Parsons is the best of both worlds.

Yup the LB rankings or portion kind of reflects that. Looking for LB & DE are tough. Neither are on the field a ton for us or in general around the league (LB). I think Barnes is a guy we'd really like.

I also don't think Dugger cancels out JOK. I think Bill could put both on the field at the same time.

I would add Jamie Newman to the QB list, even ahead of Mills. He has all the tools, but he reminds of the type of guys Belichick has gone for in the past, Cassels or Brisset, Etling etc. Guys with not much of a record, diamonds in the rough.

I was thinking about Frank's, Newman but both would have a really tough time operating this offense with any sort of consistency imo.

I would put Greg Newsome in the first round category as well. The type of guy that will go 20-30.

I might have forgotten Newsome. Can't remember off hand if his #'s lined up right with the one's we like but I'll check again.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

One comment from Patriots owner Robert Kraft flew under the radar this week, but really shouldn’t have. Here it is: “In the end, if you want to have a good, consistent, winning football team, you can’t do it in free agency. You have to do it through the draft. I don’t feel we’ve done the greatest job the last few years and I really hope, and I believe, I’ve seen a different approach this year.” That Kraft wants better draft results, when you look at how the Patriots have done of late, isn’t a surprise. But a different approach? What does that mean? Well, in the past, Bill Belichick’s had a very closed-off process and, in his defense, for the most part it’s worked. But it’s also led to personnel people feeling like they were actively cut out where other teams’ people weren’t. In essence, the Patriots’ scouts would do their jobs through the season and then hand off the process to Belichick and the coaches in February, with only a couple guys on the personnel side really consistently involved from that point forward. Where most teams had draft meetings with their scouts in February and April, the Patriots would have theirs with scouts in December and February. And at that early point, it’s tough to set the board, with two and a half months of information still to come. So from there on, the scouts would just be gatherers, which frustrated plenty of them, and played into the exodus in the scouting department the last few years. It also, as some saw it, led to misses like N’Keal Harry in 2019. Harry killed his 30 visit that spring and had a college coach, Todd Graham, who was close to Belichick. In that end, without more input from scouts who preferred Deebo Samuel and A.J. Brown, the coach wound up leaning on his own experience with Harry, rather than the red flags his scouts planted, and lost a golden opportunity to fill a hole on his roster. And that brings us back to what Kraft said: The Patriots have employed a “different approach” this year. My sense right now is that has translated inside the building in a more collaborative Belichick, who’s listening not just to his top guys, Dave Ziegler and Eliot Wolf, but also those rising through the organization, like national scout Matt Groh. Now, I don’t know if it’ll change the Patriots’ luck on draft day. Or if Belichick will pull back on it when we get there. But for now, it feels like a good positive step for them.

 

[captain stone]

2nd-lowest rate with WRs...Pitiful...Bill just doesn't know how to draft WRs; he doesn't know when to draft them either...

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Well ..

 

[captain stone]

Bill's 2nd-round DB?

 

[captain stone]

From what I've read and seen on tape...yes. He played LB "officially" at ND but was matched against slot receivers in coverage at times. He may be redundant with Dugger if he isn't as fast as advertised, but if he truly has 4.4 speed he could be a tougher version of Devin McCourty. I've seen him going at 18 in the area of the Pats pick but he's also been mentioned with Buffalo at 30 so we'll see. He hasn't run his 40 but one profile said this about him:

2021 NFL Draft prospect Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah is a 6-foot 1, 216-pound athlete with 4.4 speed who has become a tackling machine within the Notre Dame defensive front, taking snaps from a variety of positions. According to Pro Football Focus’s snap tracker, Owusu-Koramoah has taken 107 snaps from the defensive line, 218 from the box, and 352 from the slot.
Comparison: Jamal Adams is arguably the best safety, and possibly best defensive player in the NFL, and no 2021 NFL Draft prospect has earned the right to be compared to such a talent. Regardless of this, the snap distribution, physical, profile, and style of play of Owusu-Koramoah all have a striking resemblance to the perennial All-Pro.

Did he just write that Jamal Adams...former J-E-T-E stank Jamal Adams...is possibly the best defensive player in the NFL? Exqueeze me?