OT: Official 2020 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[gobesmug]

He hates his former team

 

[TheRainMaker]

If we didn’t blow a 21-3 lead a bad call at the end of the game wouldn’t have mattered.

If I'm not mistaken, that all was earlier in the game which sparked their comeback.

 

[venecol]

Funny how I posted that on the FAcy thread and it was deleted. That's a post that's 100% Patriots related yet luuked accused me of posting Brady crap so I guess it gets deleted. Weird times. Lmao

 

[Lansdowne]

If we didn’t blow a 21-3 lead a bad call at the end of the game wouldn’t have mattered.

The bad call contributed to the blown lead. If Hobbs isn’t penalized, that’s 3rd and 7 from Indy’s 19 yard line instead of a 1st and goal at the 1. No guarantees of course, but they could’ve held them to a field goal and kept it at 21-16 instead of putting the Colts in position to tie the game, which they did. The Pats absolutely still controlled their destiny in the 4th and failed, but it doesn’t help when you make a big defensive play late in the game and still get penalized for it. It was a big enough call that it changed the game, and enough that the league even privately apologized to Hobbs that offseason.

 

[Deus Irae]

Funny how I posted that on the FAcy thread and it was deleted. That's a post that's 100% Patriots related yet luuked accused me of posting Brady crap so I guess it gets deleted. Weird times. Lmao

Does that surprise you, though, really? I mean, there's an anti-Brady troll, with a Brady sig, who has over 500 posts in this very thread, and he complains that too much attention is being paid to Brady on this board.

 

[RicoG]

So the 49ers announced their intention to draft their QB of the future today after trading up for the 3rd pick. With no guaranteed money, and large cap relief plus extra pick if JG is traded, I would say the writing is on the wall that JG gets traded before his salary becomes guaranteed.

One team talked about as a trade partner is Carolina Panthers. I would hate that as I think JG would be a top 10 QB if he can stay healthy, and they would give Brady and the Bucs problems.

Another team of course would be the Patriots. The Pat's have been so aggressive in FA that I could easily see them giving a 2nd for JG and maybe a 1st.

I think the most important thing the coaches need to teach JG is to be a pocket passer so that he doesn't get hurt. Stop trying to be a Wilson or a Rodgers and be content on being more like a Brady.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

So the 49ers announced their intention to draft their QB of the future today after trading up for the 3rd pick. With no guaranteed money, and large cap relief plus extra pick if JG is traded, I would say the writing is on the wall that JG gets traded before his salary becomes guaranteed.

One team talked about as a trade partner is Carolina Panthers. I would hate that as I think JG would be a top 10 QB if he can stay healthy, and they would give Brady and the Bucs problems.

Another team of course would be the Patriots. The Pat's have been so aggressive in FA that I could easily see them giving a 2nd for JG and maybe a 1st.

I think the most important thing the coaches need to teach JG is to be a pocket passer so that he doesn't get hurt. Stop trying to be a Wilson or a Rodgers and be content on being more like a Brady.

give up jimmy g for a bag of peanuts then get him back for 15th overall? Horrible business

 

[RicoG]

give up jimmy g for a bag of peanuts then get him back for 15th overall? Horrible business

I was hoping that NE would rebuild at least 1 more year, but free agency has shown that BB is serious on giving it a go this year.

You need a top 10 QB to make a serious run in the playoffs which JG might be. Cam might be 15 at best but more like 20 or lower. So BB probably doesn't have a choice but to give up the 1st if he wants JG.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

I was hoping that NE would rebuild at least 1 more year, but free agency has shown that BB is serious on giving it a go this year.

You need a top 10 QB to make a serious run in the playoffs which JG might be. Cam might be 15 at best but more like 20 or lower. So BB probably doesn't have a choice but to give up the 1st if he wants JG.

we traded him for 41 overall. why Would we trade 15th overall for him?

 

[Tony2046]

we traded him for 41 overall. why Would we trade 15th overall for him?

Theoretically it doesn't matter what we gave up for him then. If they think he can get the job done then a first is a fair price.

But the problem for me is that I don't think he can get the job done and it would be just a wasted pick.

 

[amfootball]

Bill should be fired if he gives is #15 for Jimmy. I am fine with the second round pick. But SF already turned that down. I am not sure Jimmy can be had this year as the Niners want him there to groom the rookie they draft.

 

[gobesmug]

Bill should be fired if he gives is #15 for Jimmy. I am fine with the second round pick. But SF already turned that down. I am not sure Jimmy can be had this year as the Niners want him there to groom the rookie they draft.

Yeah it would show how foolish Bill was for trading Jimmy for only a 2nd round when his value was higher.

It also shows Lynch to be a douche. Bill did them a solid sending Jimmy for so little, Lynch should return the favor.

 

[gobesmug]

Theoretically it doesn't matter what we gave up for him then. If they think he can get the job done then a first is a fair price.

But the problem for me is that I don't think he can get the job done and it would be just a wasted pick.

Jimmy's value was higher when he was traded for #41. He was still on his rookie deal and showed tremendous upside.

Now he is on a bloated contract, injury prone, and looked terrible in the playoffs and Superbowl.

Anything higher than a 2nd Rd pickwould be foolish

 

[1960Pats]

Yeah it would show how foolish Bill was for trading Jimmy for only a 2nd round when his value was higher.

It also shows Lynch to be a douche. Bill did them a solid sending Jimmy for so little, Lynch should return the favor.

I don't believe that Bill's a fool so why did he trade JG for so little? At the time there were fans here who claimed that he was being stubborn because Kraft made him keep Brady instead. I don't believe that either.

If I'm the owner of the 49ers and Lynch did Bill a solid I'd fire him.

 

[gobesmug]

I don't believe that Bill's a fool so why did he trade JG for so little? At the time there were fans here who claimed that he was being stubborn because Kraft made him keep Brady instead. I don't believe that either.

If I'm the owner of the 49ers and Lynch did Bill a solid I'd fire him.

So Jimmy on a rookie contract and showing a ton of promise is was worth less than now?

No higher than 2nd for Jimmy and at this point if I'm Bill I wouldn't go higher than a 3rd.

What other team wants to trade for Jimmy, and how much leverage does the 49ers have now that they gave up a ton for a rookie QB.

 

[1960Pats]

So Jimmy on a rookie contract and showing a ton of promise is was worth less than now?

No higher than 2nd for Jimmy and at this point if I'm Bill I wouldn't go higher than a 3rd.

What other team wants to trade for Jimmy, and how much leverage does the 49ers have now that they gave up a ton for a rookie QB.

Jimmy is worth whatever someone is willing to give up to get him and the circumstances can change.

I don't value draft picks as much as others do. It's not like you know what you're getting as you would with established players.

 

[VectorPrime]

I was considering making a thread asking if when Brady finally hangs it up if the Patriots should dispense with the whole wait 5 years and have a fan vote thing to get Brady into the team HoF and instead get him in that Red Jacket the very next season but considering how so many people here are acting I feel like most responses would be “LOL you pathetic Brady Baby he's not special let him wait his damn turn like everyone else!”

 

[gobesmug]

Jimmy is worth whatever someone is willing to give up to get him and the circumstances can change.

I don't value draft picks as much as others do. It's not like you know what you're getting as you would with established players.

That's good point. There is a risk factor with the draft. However, the huge difference is salary. When you nail a first Rd pick that's 5 years of cheap service.

To your point if the difference between watching the playoffs or being in the hunt is Jimmy, then spending a first rt pick would be worth it from that perspective.

I'm not sure Jimmy is the answer, and one would think if Bill thought Jimmy was the answer, then he would already be on this team.

My guess is the holdout is over what pick they are willing to trade.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

give up jimmy g for a bag of peanuts then get him back for 15th overall? Horrible business

yea, that would go down as a huge blunder by BB getting fleeced by Lynch

If he was doing a "favor" for Lynch and Jimmy G by taking less in their initial trade, then gives up way more in draft capital to trade back for him WITH his huge contract?

That would be embarrassingly bad GMing, especially now that Jimmy G has proven he can't stay healthy

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Bill should be fired if he gives is #15 for Jimmy. I am fine with the second round pick. But SF already turned that down. I am not sure Jimmy can be had this year as the Niners want him there to groom the rookie they draft.

Id be completely disgusted with BB if he gave up our 1st rounder for Jimmy after only getting #41 from Lynch years ago, when he was still under his rookie deal and before anyone knew he was made out of glass