Belichick criticism mega-thread

[sb1]

Regarding the Brady "game manager" argument in his early years: How is it possible he led the league in TD's his second season? Game managers don't do that. Without him, they would've had a losing record with that defense.

The comeback against Chicago was pretty awesome too.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Here's an interesting question for Team Tom Supporters like myself and a guy who criticize Bill on anything he does, do you want to see Bill crash and burn to prove your point that Brady was the reason for their success?

 

[mariomega]

Here's an interesting question for Team Tom Supporters like myself and a guy who criticize Bill on anything he does, do you want to see Bill crash and burn to prove your point that Brady was the reason for their success?

Yes I do hahaha
With all my passion.

I want BB to be miserable, greedy MF.

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

Regarding the Brady "game manager" argument in his early years: How is it possible he led the league in TD's his second season? Game managers don't do that. Without him, they would've had a losing record with that defense.

I read somewhere in this thread it's only because we had no run game in 2002. Kind of like he only won with TB cause of a "stacked roster," we have posters here who need qualifiers to diminish his accolades. We've turned into Colt fans.

 

[TheRainMaker]

The comeback against Chicago was pretty awesome too.

I was going to edit my post as I was thinking that. Game managers don't come back on the road like he did in that game. How about the shootout vs the Chiefs? The Vikings game and Lions games wasn't easy. And they came back from behind to beat Miami in OT the last game of the season.

 

[mariomega]

Here's an interesting question for Team Tom Supporters like myself and a guy who criticize Bill on anything he does, do you want to see Bill crash and burn to prove your point that Brady was the reason for their success?

Just take a look at Gronk.
The guy was depressed, feeling like trash with all the bad stuff from BB.

Now he is living with joy, getting 2 tuddies in the SB 55.

Do you want more?

 

[mariomega]

I read somewhere in this thread it's only because we had no run game in 2002. Kind of like he only won with TB cause of a "stacked roster," we have posters here who need qualifiers to diminish his accolades. We've turned into Colt fans.

Not me, and we have our resistance here.

 

[sb1]

I was going to edit my post as I was thinking that. Game managers don't come back on the road like he did in that game. How about the shootout vs the Chiefs? The Vikings game and Lions games wasn't easy. And they came back from behind to beat Miami in OT the last game of the season.

Yup. Kept the Dolphins out if I remember correctly. That Titans and Jets games killed us though

 

[mariomega]

I was going to edit my post as I was thinking that. Game managers don't come back on the road like he did in that game. How about the shootout vs the Chiefs? The Vikings game and Lions games wasn't easy. And they came back from behind to beat Miami in OT the last game of the season.

Do a game manager march the field against the Greatest Show on Turf in SB 36 with 80 secs to go?

Remember: you have to just run the clock here? You have to play for overtime? I think they are just wrong? Hahahahaha The rest is history.

 

[Rob0729]

...and at the end of the day fans admire/root for players and not 69 year old coaches and are all bent out of shape their hero is gone and refuse to acknowledge he didn't want to be here anyway. We can also acknowledge BB wanted him but only at the right price. They just don't like/nor understand that part of the business.

Another village idiot posters spend way too much time responding to....

I look at the Belichick/Brady thing as both sides have a lot of blame to it. Belichick is an a**. He is stubborn and refuses to admit when he is wrong and will sometimes do things that are wrong to prove he is right. And I don't think he did the best job to put a good team around Brady his last few years. But what, as Felger calls them, the Boo-hoo Brady Crew won't admit is Brady had a crappy attitude his last year. I think all of these are reasons Brady wanted to leave.

I think Belichick would have taken him back at the right price, but he is also the guy who believes letting a guy go one year too early than one year too late. Even how Brady played this year, there is no guarantee he won't hit the age wall like a freight train next season. Brett Favre went from league MVP candidate and one play away from the Super Bowl one year to garbage the next. And other QBs have had that drop off too. I think Belichick was playing the odds a bit especially after how Brady played in 2019 and thought the end for Brady was coming sooner rather than later.

And people forget that there wasn't a huge market for Brady during free agency. Reportedly his first two choices were San Fran and Chicago. Neither wanted to dump their starting QBs and take Brady. So most teams didn't think Brady could do what he did this year this time last year.

 

[203Pat]

Here's an interesting question for Team Tom Supporters like myself and a guy who criticize Bill on anything he does, do you want to see Bill crash and burn to prove your point that Brady was the reason for their success?

I am team Tom but rooting for Bill to fail means rooting for the Patriots to fail which I can't do. I was rooting for us to win every game last year even late in the season when we had no shot at the playoffs and would only hurt our draft position. Now I am not going to lie I am pretty pissed at Bill for the way he has managed the roster and running off Brady so I kind of like to see him catching hell for it. He deserves it.

 

[Deus Irae]

Here's an interesting question for Team Tom Supporters like myself and a guy who criticize Bill on anything he does, do you want to see Bill crash and burn to prove your point that Brady was the reason for their success?

Nobody needs BB to crash and burn to prove that Brady was the more important piece in the team's success. This past season already proved that. And that's not a shot at BB. It should come as no surprise that, with the decline of the RB-centric game, particularly in the era of free agency, and even more particularly in the era of free agency + wide open passing, the QB is the key.

 

[Calhoun44]

Nope, you BB's lovers cannot handle the simple argument that BB cannot win without Brady. Did not win before, nor did he win after.

So, prove me wrong.
Let me ask you again: Did BB have a winning record in Cleveland? Last year?

Brady is the greatest QB to ever play the game, which makes him the most important player to ever play the game.

BB is the greatest coach to ever coach the game, it makes little sense to me that you will insult BB because of one season where they had a losing season. Cleveland was a long time ago and BB learned a lot from that experience and he used that knowledge to build the NFL's greatest dynasty. I will not take anything away from BB or Brady because of each other's greatness.

 

[mariomega]

I look at the Belichick/Brady thing as both sides have a lot of blame to it. Belichick is an a**. He is stubborn and refuses to admit when he is wrong and . And I don't think he did the best job to put a good team around Brady his last few years. But what, as Felger calls them, the Boo-hoo Brady Crew won't admit is Brady had a crappy attitude his last year. I think all of these are reasons Brady wanted to leave.

I think Belichick would have taken him back at the right price, but he is also the guy who believes letting a guy go one year too early than one year too late. Even how Brady played this year, there is no guarantee he won't hit the age wall like a freight train next season. Brett Favre went from league MVP candidate and one play away from the Super Bowl one year to garbage the next. And other QBs have had that drop off too. I think Belichick was playing the odds a bit especially after how Brady played in 2019 and thought the end for Brady was coming sooner rather than later.

And people forget that there wasn't a huge market for Brady during free agency. Reportedly his first two choices were San Fran and Chicago. Neither wanted to dump their starting QBs and take Brady. So most teams didn't think Brady could do what he did this year this time last year.

Here is where you are wrong Rob: Brady could not be treated like a random guy. He is this franchise. He turned this franchise in the greatest franchise in NFL history.

So if you think BB could give Brady the same cold treatment, you are completely wrong buddy.

 

[mariomega]

Brady is the greatest QB to ever play the game, which makes him the most important player to ever play the game.

BB is the greatest coach to ever coach the game, it makes little sense to me to judge him on the fact that you will insult BB because of one season where they had a losing season. Cleveland was a long time ago and BB learned a lot from that experience and he used that knowledge to build the NFL's greatest dynasty. I will not take anything away from BB or Brady because of each other's greatness.

He is the greatest coach because he had Brady.

If he was so good, why could not he win in Cleveland?

A long time ago? Such a lot of excuses, oh my god.

 

[sb1]

I was going to edit my post as I was thinking that. Game managers don't come back on the road like he did in that game. How about the shootout vs the Chiefs? The Vikings game and Lions games wasn't easy. And they came back from behind to beat Miami in OT the last game of the season.

Full game: 2002 Patriots @ Bears - YouTube

2:25:35 - what a heads up defensive play by Tom Brady himself. Saved the game. Sure doesn't look like a game manager thing to do.

Compare that with what Cam Newton did on the Super Bowl fumble. Yikes.

 

[Rob0729]

I read somewhere in this thread it's only because we had no run game in 2002. Kind of like he only won with TB cause of a "stacked roster," we have posters here who need qualifiers to diminish his accolades. We've turned into Colt fans.

I said it and you are taking me out of context. I said it was in part because of that.

But it is a misleading stat. Leading the league in TDs one season doesn't make you elite. He was sixth in passing yards. He was 23rd in passing yards per attempt. Leading the league in TDs isn't a be all and end all indicator.

And you want to talk about diminish accolades? All I see is people smearing the names of Bruschi, McGinest, Law, Milloy, Harrison, and others claiming without Brady none of them would have a ring today. Shame on all of you for doing that.

 

[mariomega]

I said it and you are taking me out of context. I said it was in part because of that.

But it is a misleading stat. Leading the league in TDs one season doesn't make you elite. He was sixth in passing yards. He was 23rd in passing yards per attempt. Leading the league in TDs isn't a be all and end all indicator.

And you want to talk about diminish accolades? All I see is people smearing the names of Bruschi, McGinest, Law, Milloy, Harrison, and others claiming without Brady none of them would have a ring today. Shame on all of you for doing that.

Shame on you for this failed attempt: Brady was a game manager and just a good QB.
Not on our watch.

 

[BradytoMosstoGronk]

I said it and you are taking me out of context. I said it was in part because of that.

But it is a misleading stat. Leading the league in TDs one season doesn't make you elite. He was sixth in passing yards. He was 23rd in passing yards per attempt. Leading the league in TDs isn't a be all and end all indicator.

And you want to talk about diminish accolades? All I see is people smearing the names of Bruschi, McGinest, Law, Milloy, Harrison, and others claiming without Brady none of them would have a ring today. Shame on all of you for doing that.

Yeah, I never claimed any of what you mentioned. Feel free to lump other people in your crusade here. I haven't said a thing against BB or the gamers on the Old teams, I'm not on any side here trying to attribute more or less. But seeing how far you're going to diminish Bradys impact on the dynasty is really impressive. Contortionist one may say.

 

[Rob0729]

Shame on you for this failed attempt: Brady was a game manager and just a good QB.
Not on our watch.

I never he was just a good QB. Never. And he was a game manager. That was controversial when

A game manager means that he isn't asked week in and week out to score X amount of points. He is asked to be efficient and not make big costly mistakes. That how the Pats used him his first three years or so. That didn't proclude him from being able to carry the offense and the team when needed. And step up big.

As I said there were many times over those three years that he made elite plays or drives or quarters. But he wasn't an elite in part because the Pats didn't ask him to be.