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The 2020 Super Bowl pregame thread

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Let me ask you something. I get why KC are favorites: defending champs, talented team, great coach, great winning record, etc. How do you view this game, odds or whatever of KC winning, expected score, are you concerned at all by the Bucs?
I would say its a coin toss. Maybe 55/45 KC. I think a score of 31 to 27 either way is not an unreasonable guess. I think there is a lot to be concerned about with the bucs. I am not dismissing them at all. I just think it is funny how we fans are. Season point differential and season turnover differential are in my favor so thats good. Wins and losses arent so that isnt important. We all do it. I just think its funny.

I dont think the line issue is as important as you do. We have been without most of the missing for some time. Fisher is good but has not been that good either. Mahomes mobility, reids creativity and a gaggle of weapons make me feel ok. Our defense is better than you give credit for i think.

I am a long suffering chiefs fan and im playing with house money right now. So yes the bucs are scary and legit. But so are my guys.
 
I would say its a coin toss. Maybe 55/45 KC. I think a score of 31 to 27 either way is not an unreasonable guess. I think there is a lot to be concerned about with the bucs. I am not dismissing them at all. I just think it is funny how we fans are. Season point differential and season turnover differential are in my favor so thats good. Wins and losses arent so that isnt important. We all do it. I just think its funny.

I dont think the line issue is as important as you do. We have been without most of the missing for some time. Fisher is good but has not been that good either. Mahomes mobility, reids creativity and a gaggle of weapons make me feel ok. Our defense is better than you give credit for i think.

I am a long suffering chiefs fan and im playing with house money right now. So yes the bucs are scary and legit. But so are my guys.

Maybe next year.
 
I want to see TFB win #7 but wouldn't care if someone else wins the MVP. Bucs are going to need a complete team effort to beat the Champs. Fournette rushing for 90 yds with 1 TD and receiving 60 yds w/ 1 TD for MVP. Evans, AB and Gronk each w/ 1 TD. Of course if Tom throws 4 TDs he'll probably win it anyway. Bucs 35-31. Just win baby.
 
I want to see TFB win #7 but wouldn't care if someone else wins the MVP. Bucs are going to need a complete team effort to beat the Champs. Fournette rushing for 90 yds with 1 TD and receiving 60 yds w/ 1 TD for MVP. Evans, AB and Gronk each w/ 1 TD. Of course if Tom throws 4 TDs he'll probably win it anyway. Bucs 35-31. Just win baby.

I'm thinking more of a 35-24 Bucs type of game.
 
I'm thinking Suh head slaps Magomes in the helmet early on and takes the 15 yard penalty that puts Maslomes in the concussion protocol the rest of the game. Mabomes already has a concussion from his last game and even a flick of a finger to his head will cause another one. Suh is a psychopathic monster fully capable of hitting Mawomes illegally and hard, driving him to the turf and bashing his head with an elbow.If this happens, Chief fan will be turning off the game early.. 41-20 Bucs.
 
Brady wins his 7th on Sunday. Then takes his 4th loss next year...to JG’s Patriots. Works for me!
 
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Assuming he pulls this off.

Brady would be the only QB in NFL history to win a Super Bowl in the AFC and NFC.
 
I dont think the line issue is as important as you do. We have been without most of the missing for some time. Fisher is good but has not been that good either. Mahomes mobility, reids creativity and a gaggle of weapons make me feel ok. Our defense is better than you give credit for i think.
Fisher was elected to the Pro Bowl.

it’s not just the loss of Fisher, it’s the cascading effect of replacing him with a backup RT, moving a RG to RT and starting a backup at RG.
 
Fisher was elected to the Pro Bowl.

it’s not just the loss of Fisher, it’s the cascading effect of replacing him with a backup RT, moving a RG to RT and starting a backup at RG.
Plus the addition of Vita Vea on Bucs DL will create havoc for the backup OL.

The take that Mahomes doesn't need an OL is so ridiculous it's laughable. I guess Mahomes boy will have to wear his invisibility cloak. Lmao
 
I would say its a coin toss. Maybe 55/45 KC. I think a score of 31 to 27 either way is not an unreasonable guess. I think there is a lot to be concerned about with the bucs. I am not dismissing them at all. I just think it is funny how we fans are. Season point differential and season turnover differential are in my favor so thats good. Wins and losses arent so that isnt important. We all do it. I just think its funny.

I dont think the line issue is as important as you do. We have been without most of the missing for some time. Fisher is good but has not been that good either. Mahomes mobility, reids creativity and a gaggle of weapons make me feel ok. Our defense is better than you give credit for i think.

I am a long suffering chiefs fan and im playing with house money right now. So yes the bucs are scary and legit. But so are my guys.

I think this is a good take on the game.

I don’t know if you read some of the more comprehensive breakdowns of the game because I think people in this thread have been very fair to Kansas City. There are really three angles at play here.

1. Kansas City’s 16-1 record. Can’t be dismissed as flukey based on their point differential. The team is very well coached, doesn’t make crucial mistakes, and plays great situational football. Always plays at its best when needed. Mahomes a huge reason for this record too.

2. Stats/analytics. Also can’t dismiss major indicators showing that Tampa Bay is as good as the Chiefs overall. I’ll take final scores and results over raw statistics (stats don’t provide context), but these have value too. Many of us thought Tampa was better than the Packers despite the W/L records due to these factors and were correct.

3. Matchups. The earlier meeting this season is obviously the biggest indicator, but this postseason has shown a bunch of matchups that didn’t resemble the first game at all. Clearly KC has reason to be confident and Tampa has to figure out a lot. The Fisher injury is a factor but won’t blow up the Chiefs either. I think Vea’s return is a bigger deal than the Fisher loss. Any QB - even Mahomes - is going to be less effective without a decent running game.



I like the Chiefs because I actually do put a lot of stock into their record. They’ve won like 26 of their last 27. Tampa still has a lot of sloppiness that might cost them big, especially their offense. The Chiefs get so many wide open players on offense because they know each other so well, whereas Tampa still has that issue of everyone not being on the same page. So I like the Chiefs, but I think if both teams play their best and mistake-free, Tampa has a better roster and will win. The Chiefs are an awesome team, Mahomes is an incredible QB, but the team is not on another level either. A lot of the media takes are pretty absurd.
 
Plus the addition of Vita Vea on Bucs DL will create havoc for the backup OL.

The take that Mahomes doesn't need an OL is so ridiculous it's laughable. I guess Mahomes boy will have to wear his invisibility cloak. Lmao

I think guys like vita vea make the pass rush go. He has that aaron donald effect on the d-line. He makes other guys better. Bucs better lock him up long term.
 
I think this is a good take on the game.

I don’t know if you read some of the more comprehensive breakdowns of the game because I think people in this thread have been very fair to Kansas City. There are really three angles at play here.

1. Kansas City’s 16-1 record. Can’t be dismissed as flukey based on their point differential. The team is very well coached, doesn’t make crucial mistakes, and plays great situational football. Always plays at its best when needed. Mahomes a huge reason for this record too.

2. Stats/analytics. Also can’t dismiss major indicators showing that Tampa Bay is as good as the Chiefs overall. I’ll take final scores and results over raw statistics (stats don’t provide context), but these have value too. Many of us thought Tampa was better than the Packers despite the W/L records due to these factors and were correct.

3. Matchups. The earlier meeting this season is obviously the biggest indicator, but this postseason has shown a bunch of matchups that didn’t resemble the first game at all. Clearly KC has reason to be confident and Tampa has to figure out a lot. The Fisher injury is a factor but won’t blow up the Chiefs either. I think Vea’s return is a bigger deal than the Fisher loss. Any QB - even Mahomes - is going to be less effective without a decent running game.



I like the Chiefs because I actually do put a lot of stock into their record. They’ve won like 26 of their last 27. Tampa still has a lot of sloppiness that might cost them big, especially their offense. The Chiefs get so many wide open players on offense because they know each other so well, whereas Tampa still has that issue of everyone not being on the same page. So I like the Chiefs, but I think if both teams play their best and mistake-free, Tampa has a better roster and will win. The Chiefs are an awesome team, Mahomes is an incredible QB, but the team is not on another level either. A lot of the media takes are pretty absurd.

The Bucs really need a good start to this game. I think it’s critical for them to start fast.
 
The Bucs really need a good start to this game. I think it’s critical for them to start fast.
I hope they get the ball first like they did vs GB and go down and get 7. Set the tone early and let the defense unleash with the lead.
 
bucs can’t lose the time of possession as badly as they did in the regular season
 
I wasnt questioning whether they belong. Questioning how meaningful season point differential is with the different quality of wins.
Interesting question. The answer IMO is that there is no answer. It is entirely case by case.

For a team like KC it is pretty important. They have been pretty much the same team all year long. We can look over the course of their 17 real games and get a very good feel for them. This is a good thing as it gives us a chance to look at their entire body of work and make judgements on them, their 16-1 record, their point differential, their SOS and everything else. The only big issue between this team and the one that will play at the super bowl is they will be without Fisher, so we need to take that into account. They may or may not have Watkins, but frankly he is an after thought in your offense. A nice little bonus but he doesn't move the needle in a meaningful way.

So what I believe about KC. Their 14-1 record of the context of 128 point differential matters (I'm entirely taking out week 17). So let's extrapolate it out and assuming the same differential call them a team that would be 15-1 with a 137 point differential.

The Only teams that have gone 15-1 or better before.
SF in 84 with a 248 diff, Won SB
CHI in 85 with a 258 diff, Won SB
MIN in 98 with a 260 diff, Lost CCG in OT
Pitt in 04 with a 121 diff, Lost CCG 41-27 after being down 24-3, 31-10 and 41-20 that game.
Pats in 07 with a 315 diff, Lost SB
Packers in 11 with a 201 diff, Lost Div to SB champ Giants 37-20 after 4 turnovers.
Panthers in 15 with a 201 diff, Lost SB

There aren't exactly a lot of data points here, but 137 is certainly on the low side for such a record. The only team comparable to them is Pitt in 04 point differential wise. As far as KC opponents, they gave exactly as many points as they scored on the season give or take 1 or 2. It wasn't all that hard a schedule. It was almost perfectly average. And the fact they only managed this point differential against it is a statistical oddity.

It has been floated out they often coasted with the lead. I believe that is partly true. Even if it is, that certainly isn't a good thing that they often let games become 1 score contest that they had to win walking a tight rope late. While it's better that having to scratch out wins due to lack of ability, it isn't a great deal better either. It's a bad habit that they were lucky didn't bite them more of true.

However, that wasn't always the case. They were down late week 2 and weren't coasting. In week 9 they gave the ball back to the Panthers late with a chance to tie or (unlikely admittedly) win. They were down late vs the Raiders in week 11 and needed a score in the final 2 minutes. Denver had the ball 3 times in the 4th with a chance to pull ahead in week 13, In week 16 the Falcons were up in the 4th and when down had a chance to win on their final drive. It wasn't just a case of a superior team smooth sailing. They had to struggle to win many of their games.

Does this mean I think they suck? No. Does it mean I think they were fortunate? A little. Luck is something you create with good habits, but it also just kind of happens sometimes. In reality i don't believe KC is as good as their record says, but they still may be the best team in the NFL.

As for the Bucs, you can't really dive this deep on them. They have been a work in progress all year that as been improving and will probably still not be where they wish they would be come tomorrow. But that's okay. I don't buy the narrative they need their game of the year to beat KC cause they are just so much better. Just like I don't buy KC needs their best game of the year to beat the super talented Bucs. Neither of these teams in my estimation is much if at all better than the other at this point.
 






Y’all go show this man some love he is doing yomans work this is what espn and those networks should be doing instead of the tmz bull **** they do
 
The Bucs really need a good start to this game. I think it’s critical for them to start fast.
It's not only about a fast start, which would for sure be nice for them. It is more about the mentality.

For instance lets say the Bucs get up 10-0 early in the game and find themselves 4th and goal at the 1 yard line. What do they do? This is the problem when facing KC. Every instinct a coach has might say take that 13-0 lead. But YOU DON'T DO IT! You go for the TD here. KC has a quick strike and streaky offense which gets people mixed up. HCs focus on the Scoreboard now when they should be thinking about the final score.

When you go into a game against KC you go in with the mind set 'Let's make sure we get 30 points' then worry about everything else. You can't think about the lead you have, but the lead you need. When up by 10 in the 4th with 9 minutes left, you don't play the clock, you play to score. You don't change your defense when up to make sure they don't score fast, you play the defense that works best.

Here is how you should play KC. You have your game plan for offense and defense. You find out what works best for you and you stick to it for 60 minutes no matter the game state until you get to a point where they are just not in trouble in theory, but mathematically. Only then should you start to play differently. But coaches have a hard time with this.
 
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