Jimmy G interesting stuff

[mike_usagisan]

San Fran is in total “win now” mode. That means they need an upgrade at the qb spot. It is only a matter of time before San Fran and the Vikings figure out the draft picks to make a cousins/jimmy trade work.

Here’s my question: what does Minnesota want? Do they even want Jimmy or do they have eyes on a rookie they want and are happy to take Jimmy as a bargaining chip?

 

[venecol]

San Fran is in total “win now” mode. That means they need an upgrade at the qb spot. It is only a matter of time before San Fran and the Vikings figure out the draft picks to make a cousins/jimmy trade work.

that leaves bb with three free agent options:

1.) trubisky - game manager. 3 to 1 td to int ratio. We might have to outbid Indy for him.
2.) brisset- game manager. 3 to 1 td to int ratio. Makes a lot of sense for us. Might have to outbid Carolina for him.
3.) newton - only if bb is beyond desperate. Might have to outbid Washington for him.

You left out Jaboo. It's him and Cam in 2021 ala Brees/Hill.

 

[Ring 6]

Not a huge drop off from there other 2 QBs

A VERY HUGE drop off. Look at their record with and without him.
with him they are an elite team, without him they have sucked.

 

[Ring 6]

San Fran is in total “win now” mode. That means they need an upgrade at the qb spot. It is only a matter of time before San Fran and the Vikings figure out the draft picks to make a cousins/jimmy trade work.

that leaves bb with three free agent options:

1.) trubisky - game manager. 3 to 1 td to int ratio. We might have to outbid Indy for him.
2.) brisset- game manager. 3 to 1 td to int ratio. Makes a lot of sense for us. Might have to outbid Carolina for him.
3.) newton - only if bb is beyond desperate. Might have to outbid Washington for him.

If you are in win now mode you don’t trade the QB who got you to a Sb, who you win consistently with for Kirk freaking Cousins.
Shanahan wants cousins because he likes him.
The patriots will not have trubisky, Brissett or newton at QBs when 2021 starts. Not a chance in the world.

 

[Ring 6]

I hope they can find a way to bring JG back.

And still pick a good young QB prospect so there's at least one on the roster.

I like that plan.
Get Jimmy for a 2022 second, then trade up in round 2 or the end of round 1 for Mac Jones.

 

[Ring 6]

This. He is not coming back. The niners have made clear that they want to keep him.
Pats will have either Cam Newton or Fitzmagic as their QB this year.
Its best to get use to this soon to avoid months of disappointment

So you think that belichick just isn’t interested in winning anymore?

 

[signbabybrady]

So you think that belichick just isn’t interested in winning anymore?

Oh you haven't heard? He's just not capable anymore.

 

[venecol]

Oh you haven't heard? He's just not capable anymore.

He's too old. Better he retire a Patriot than go somewhere else and fail.

 

[captain stone]

If you are in win now mode you don’t trade the QB who got you to a SB, who you win consistently with for Kirk freaking Cousins.
Shanahan wants Cousins because he likes him.
The Patriots will not have Trubisky, Brissett or Newton at QB when 2021 starts. Not a chance in the world.

I wouldn't be so sure about that last name...

 

[Ring 6]

I wouldn't be so sure about that last name...

If Newton is back here as the starter I will personally call the dementia police on belichick.
Belichick wants to win. He saw that he has the worst QB in the league. Despite having a penchant for making positive remarks about his players there is no way he repeats that clown show.

 

[venecol]

If Newton is back here as the starter I will personally call the dementia police on belichick.
Belichick wants to win. He saw that he has the worst QB in the league. Despite having a penchant for making positive remarks about his players there is no way he repeats that clown show.

He brings him back and pairs him with Jaboo, a 2 QB system like Saints used. BB is going full Payton.

 

[Triumph]

Hmmmm. Let’s unpack that a bit.

It’s true that Shanahan didn’t go for more points at the end of the first half. Loser mentality, which shouldn’t count against Garoppolo. They got the ball at the 20 with a minute left and the scored tied at 10. Two running plays made it a 3rd & 5 at the 20, at which point KC called a timeout. At that point, Shanahan DID trust him to throw, and it worked—JG completed a 20 yard pass to get to the 45 with 14 seconds left. Then SF called a timeout. Should have trusted his quarterback. Garoppolo then completed a 42 yard pass to the KC 13 to get into FG range. A sf penalty brought it back to the sf 34, so they took a knee to halftime. None of that reflects badly on JG.

OK, fast forward to the 4th quarter. SF led 20-10 with 6 minutes left. At that point Mahomes had no TDs and 2 picks. KC scored to make 20-17, after which SF went three & out. KC scored again, and Garoppolo got the ball back at the 15, down 4, with two minutes & change and the chance to be the hero. He quickly got SF to midfield with a 1st down. And then…he didn’t get the job done. No other way to say it. 3 incompletions and a sack, and that was all she wrote—KC got another to put it out of reach.

Point is, this is a guy that won his starts in NE, went to SF and won and brought his team to the Super Bowl. It’s no surprise Mahomes had dazzling 4th quarter stats, he’s one of the greats already. Garoppolo had to be great to beat him, and he wasn’t. He didn’t beat Mahomes in his first Super Bowl. But I don’t think that means he can't get it done in the future.

SF had a top 5 running game the year they went to the Super Bowl. 2019 San Francisco 49ers Statistics & Players | Pro-Football-Reference.com

People forget that.

Jimmy threw for 400 yards and 4 TDs in 3 post season games. Jimmy threw for 69 yards vs Green Bay in the NFCC. The SF WR and TE numbers were not all that. Yes, G Kittle who is likely a HOFer lead the 49ers with 1000 yards. D Samuel had 800 yards. The rest of the passing game was mediocre. E Sanders mustered 500 yards through 9 games. Jimmy could not keep up when facing a potent passing offense.

This notion that Shanahan is holding Jimmy back is revisionist history.

 

[Ring 6]

He brings him back and pairs him with Jaboo, a 2 QB system like Saints used. BB is going full Payton.

No. Who is jaboo?

 

[patsfanincleveland]

Here’s my question: what does Minnesota want? Do they even want Jimmy or do they have eyes on a rookie they want and are happy to take Jimmy as a bargaining chip?

The Vikings have OL issues that will make him a permanent IR issue. Also, rumblings about bringing Bridgewater back.

Can someone make them an offer they can't refuse?

 

[patsfanincleveland]

SF had a top 5 running game the year they went to the Super Bowl. 2019 San Francisco 49ers Statistics & Players | Pro-Football-Reference.com

People forget that.

Jimmy threw for 400 yards and 4 TDs in 3 post season games. Jimmy threw for 69 yards vs Green Bay in the NFCC. The SF WR and TE numbers were not all that. Yes, G Kittle who is likely a HOFer lead the 49ers with 1000 yards. D Samuel had 800 yards. The rest of the passing game was mediocre. E Sanders mustered 500 yards through 9 games. Jimmy could not keep up when facing a potent passing offense.

This notion that Shanahan is holding Jimmy back is revisionist history.

The point is completely irrelevant because the only thing that matters is what the QB does in the Patriots system.

I was at opening night 2016 and if you never noticed the number, you would think Brady was out there.

Besides Matt Ryan is MVP in Shanahan's system.

Maybe it's time to Brady in RPO system or the wing T.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Who is this Jaboo???

 

[amfootball]

Here’s my question: what does Minnesota want? Do they even want Jimmy or do they have eyes on a rookie they want and are happy to take Jimmy as a bargaining chip?

Jimmy is the perfect bridge QB until they find their guy. Of course assuming he can stay healthy which is a big if.

 

[Kontradiction]

Jimmy is the perfect bridge QB until they find their guy. Of course assuming he can stay healthy which is a big if.

Jimmy or Alex Smith I would be fine with. The latter would thrive in this offense as well. Both have durability questions, though.

 

[amfootball]

So you think that belichick just isn’t interested in winning anymore?

What are our realistic options at this point? We are going to get a retread bridge QB. That much is certain. Have to hope we hit on the draft pick so we have the QB of the future.

 

[amfootball]

Jimmy or Alex Smith I would be fine with. The latter would thrive in this offense as well. Both have durability questions, though.

I really like Smith a lot but I just don't he can hold up for a season. He had a bazillion surgeries on that leg. I really don't think we have any shot at Jimmy. The Niners need a QB. They are not dealing Jimmy away for a pick. They need a QB in return which is why they are talking with the Vikes.