10 Patriots who might not be around for the 2021 season

[Pape]

What ever happens with the opt out players, and potential cuts, If any of these guys do come back, I hope they rework their deals so all the available cap space does not get eaten up

 

[captain stone]

Curran lost his source when Brady left. Now he just throws crap against the wall. I don’t know why people always want old players to come back and coach. My guess is most of the opt outs will retire. I think Edelman will leave/retire. I think/hope Guy and Jackson and Gilmore will be back.

Because they would be better options than the snot-nosed, Division 3-caliber, nepotism-hired sycophants currently in the building?

 

[mgteich]

What is Thuneys trade value? anyone want to hazard a guess? Miami got a haul for Tunsil, albeit he's a tackle...

You are asking for the trade value of a player not under contract. Are you suggesting again to franchise him and then hope that someone trades for him when he signs the tag in July.

 

[Pape]

You are asking for the trade value of a player not under contract. Are you suggesting again to franchise him and then hope that someone trades for him when he signs the tag in July.

It's a hypothetical question... While he is a free agent, he is not unfettered... The Pats can and very well could tag him again... If he wants out, then why not have his agent work finding a new team / acceptable long term deal...

 

[50-yard-line]

It's a hypothetical question... While he is a free agent, he is not unfettered... The Pats can and very well could tag him again... If he wants out, then why not have his agent work finding a new team / acceptable long term deal...

A second tag on Thuney would, I believe, cost them 120% of the first, so almost $18m.

Now you're trying to trade an interior OL who's making, fully guaranteed, almost three million more than any other guard in the NFL - and Thuney's really good, but he's not the best guard in the NFL. And if no takers, you have to pay him every penny. $17.7+m.

 

[captain stone]

I think hightower stays or retires personally.

He's still under contract, so those are his only options anyway.

 

[Pape]

A second tag on Thuney would, I believe, cost them 120% of the first, so almost $18m.

Now you're trying to trade an interior OL who's making, fully guaranteed, almost three million more than any other guard in the NFL - and Thuney's really good, but he's not the best guard in the NFL. And if no takers, you have to pay him every penny. $17.7+m.

If his agent can't find a sign/trade, then you pay him. To this team he is worth it. Is the best player on the team at this point. Then let him walk in y 3.

 

[captain stone]

Deatrich Wise says ‘it kind of sucks’ to think this may be his last game with Patriots

Will this be Wise’s finale with the Patriots?

patriotswire.usatoday.com

No it doesn't...

But if he really wants to return then I wouldn't object to signing him to a one-year, non-guaranteed, vet minimum deal and let him compete.

 

[Toofy]

My guess is cam is back next year as well on a similar contract maybe 8 million with limited guarantees . They might want to evaluate cam for a full off season and stidham over pre- season. So the qb will be either of these two unless Fitzpatrick or garopollo comes over. We might draft couple of lower round qbs if stidham is cut .

With the way the current team is constructed, the best bet to hit at playoff would be under cam and hoping cam becomes 50% of his original self . Its a risky gambit, but sadly I don't think Bill has that many options as well.

 

[mgteich]

If his agent can't find a sign/trade, then you pay him. To this team he is worth it. Is the best player on the team at this point. Then let him walk in y 3.

Why would his agent try? He would just sign the franchise after thee first couple of weeks of the season and collect his $18M

 

[micronin127]

I have resigned myself to embracing the rebuild. Can we identify and sign QBs that can play in our system? How do we maximize the rookie contract, possibly even drafting QB in the first round for the fifth year option. Do we have to plan to draft QB again in the 2022 draft?

Expensive veterans that are 30+ or nearing 30 will likely go, though I don't rule out bringing back our own good culture guys for modest deals should they be unable to find riches elsewhere.

Our UFAs:
Thuney (29), J. McCourty (34), J. White (29), Guy (31), Butler (27), Andrews (29), Eluemunor (27), Simon (31), Burkhead (31), Newton (32), Brooks (30), Byrd (28), Calhoun (29), Davis (32), Bethel (31), Hoyer (36), Folk (37), Copeland (30), Wise (27)

And our opt-outs:
Cannon, Chung, Toran, Hightower, Lee, Bolden, LaCosse, Vitale

Our high contract older vets:
Edelman, Gilmore, D. McCourty

Our list of perpetually injured:
Cajuste (two full), Wynn (one full, two partial)

Resources should be invested on young players. Free agency should be a place to find valuable character guys that plug holes on short deals. We should look to sign and extend our own core players and build through the draft.

This could be a huge year for roster turnover. With uncertainty about whether a team can conduct an in-person offseason program, that adds extra risk to expensive free agent signings. We may only be able to clean house and add a few core pieces this year. With greatest luck we can find a QB.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Just went on Spotrac to check what CBs are available as FAs in 2021 and I don't see anywhere close to a younger version of Gilmore out there. So if the Patriots want to replace Gilmore this year, they probably have to draft one of the top corners in this year's draft class (Caleb Farley? Patrick Surtain?).

Drafting a CB is a big gamble. Thanks for looking at Sportrac. Maybe we pay Gilmore in 2021 and sign a new #1 corner in 2022? I see a few younger guys available in 2022 - one name that JUMPS out at me is Duke Dawson

 

[Triumph]

Braxton Berrios is under contract for 2021 so your statement here is completely irrelevant.

I am not saying Harry is the best bang for the buck. Even if we set aside the fact that he literally is working with the worst full-time starting QB in the NFL, I am sure there are plenty of guys doing more for less money right now. I am asking who you think you can replace him with for less money. He was drafted in the first round so while I agree he is a bust, there is something that Belichick saw in him.

I just don't see him being cut quite yet. I guess time will tell if I am right or wrong.

I was using Berrios as an cursory example to prove that replacing Harry for less is not as difficult as you make it when comparing 2020 numbers.

There are plenty of guys out there like Berrios. Harry wouldn't even have a locker in KC or Pittsburgh.

 

[XLIX]

I was using Berrios as an cursory example to prove that replacing Harry for less is not as difficult as you make it when comparing 2020 numbers.

And I am telling you that Braxton Berrios is not a free agent next year so it doesn't matter. What you are doing is using 20/20 hindsight to find a guy who outperformed Harry this past year for less money. Then when you find an example (and I am sure there are others), you talk about how "easy" it would be to replace Harry.

Now tell me who is going to be a free agent this coming offseason that would improve on the position in 2021 for less money. That part is not quite so easy.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I believe Rob Ninkivich said there would be a "mass exodus" last offseason which I think will continue. Veteans on the team won't want to hang around for this.

Thuney has a ton of negotiation power with a ton of cap space and Gilmore being the only big time contract on the team. He either gets Franchised Tagged and collects $18M or he can get his money elsewhere.

White will leave as his skill set as a receiver are not put to good use.

I used to hate Burkhead until this season as he had a good one. I would've kept him over White before the injury.

Harry is a waste of space. If an undrafted FA WR outplaying him isn't motivating enough, nothing will. Give him one more training camp with a new QB and that's it.

Trade Gilmore only if he wants to leave.

HT, Cannon, Chung are obvious choices (rumored retirement).

Simon should be the first one gone. He routinely can't set the edge and is graded out as the worst at his position (PFF).

 

[RIpats88]

My guess is cam is back next year as well on a similar contract maybe 8 million with limited guarantees . They might want to evaluate cam for a full off season and stidham over pre- season. So the qb will be either of these two unless Fitzpatrick or garopollo comes over. We might draft couple of lower round qbs if stidham is cut .

With the way the current team is constructed, the best bet to hit at playoff would be under cam and hoping cam becomes 50% of his original self . Its a risky gambit, but sadly I don't think Bill has that many options as well.

God I hope not. Really hoping for someone like Jimmy G or Matt stafford.

Idk if I can take another season of a QB who can't throw

 

[Pape]

Why would his agent try? He would just sign the franchise after thee first couple of weeks of the season and collect his $18M

Mo Money?
Long term financial security for his client?
Because it's attractive to potential clients he could get thuney out of a tag?

Take your pick

 

[archstanton543]

Trade Gilmore only if he wants to leave.

He's an older DB coming off an injury. If they do trade him, they're not going to get much.

 

[SVN]

Curran: These 10 Patriots might not be around in 2021

As the calendar flips to 2021, which Patriots might have reached the end of their run in Foxboro. Tom E. Curran runs down 10 men who might not be back next season.

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Curran says it’s Gilmore, Hightower, Cannon, Hoyer, Guy, McDaniels(!), Thuney, Cam, Burkhead, Harry

For McDaniels only if a coaching opportunity comes along IMO. not sure if it will

I like curran but this yr he has been all about advocating for brady in every article instead of being balanced. It has become quite irritating.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

He's an older DB coming off an injury. If they do trade him, they're not going to get much.

I think you get a first round pick from 27 to 32
Or a second for Gilmore.
Thuney a second rounder.
JC Jackson has got torched by a few WRS but can make plays on the ball I’m torn on both his salary and trade value.
What this defense needs is enforcers tough guys who like to hit and have a mean steak. Especially at D line.
Derek Wolfe would of been a great addition.
Damn no cap space.