Call me crazy, but Cam's Instagram sounds like he's gonna be on the bench for these last 2 weeks

[Thelonious]

At this point it might be the only contract he gets offered which makes it more of a no brainier, imo. As awful as he's looked over the season you just can't dismiss how bad his supporting is as well.

I respect everyone's opinion but Alex Smith / Ryan Fitzpatrick / Andy Dalton do not elevate this team back to being a contender. They are all stuck in the "meh" group joined by Cam. We'd merely be jogging in place just at a faster pace. Sure our receiving TDs may go up...we may have a few notable "fantasy players" on our team, ultimately our Ws do not increase by much if at all.

If you can have an experienced qb in camp- experience in the 'Patriot Way' and he's cheap.. Do it. Like him or not , Cam has been the ultimate citizen and by all accounts a total workhorse behind the scenes. If you're bringing in a young gun, why wouldn't you want him exposed to that?

Because we do not want to teach our new qb that talking a good game, dressing like a middle-school girl on TickTock, and stumbling into the endzone from time to time and is what we're really looking for.

 

[1960Pats]

I'm astounded by the amount of support that Cam gets while so clearly being a horrible QB. I can't think of a worse QB in the history of the team. If Stidham had been given the reigns of this team and performed anywhere near as poorly fans here would be asking for his head on a platter.

So what's the deal? Why does Cam get a pass from so many fans?

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I'm astounded by the amount of support that Cam gets while so clearly being a horrible QB. I can't think of a worse QB in the history of the team. If Stidham had been given the reigns of this team and performed anywhere near as poorly fans here would be asking for his head on a platter.

So what's the deal? Why does Cam get a pass from so many fans?

Hes likable I guess and he did have some good years, I dont want him here next year, not sure how everyone else feels.

 

[Thelonious]

I’m fine with it if the Patriots chose to spend their resources on a massive upgrade on defense like in 2003.

That and taking a flyer on one of the available trade/fa vet qb's would be fine with me. Better that than some Ryan Mallet playalike from the 2nd round sitting on the bench watching Cam stumble all over the place out there.

 

[sb1]

I'm astounded by the amount of support that Cam gets while so clearly being a horrible QB. I can't think of a worse QB in the history of the team. If Stidham had been given the reigns of this team and performed anywhere near as poorly fans here would be asking for his head on a platter.

So what's the deal? Why does Cam get a pass from so many fans?

He does? I haven’t seen anyone here give cam a pass for this year.

The better question is to understand why the obsession with the second year 4th round draft pick backup QB on the roster and the implication that he just HAS to be some gem that Bill is letting rot on the bench when every single bit of evidence we have says he’s anything but that.

And the insistence that we fans see what he’s got. I don’t recall anyone insisting that we see what Rohan Davey or Ryan Mallett had. Weird.

Now that I don’t get.

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

Because we do not want to teach our new qb that talking a good game, dressing like a middle-school girl on TickTock, and stumbling into the endzone from time to time and is what we're really looking for.

I see your dislike for Cam extends beyond just football/work ethic and being an excellent teammate. A great example for a kid coming in with a fresh arm.

I'm sure the new guy will have his own fashion sense and social media people ..don't worry pal. That is stuff 'outside' of football. Speaking more to what happens Inside the building.

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

I see your dislike for Cam extends beyond just football/work ethic and being an excellent teammate. A great example for a kid coming in with a fresh arm.

I'm sure the new guy will have his own fashion sense and social media people ..don't worry pal. That is stuff 'outside' of football. Speaking more to what happens Inside the building.

For the record...showing up , working hard and talking a good game are essential to the "Patriot Way"

 

[RIpats88]

He does? I haven’t seen anyone here give cam a pass for this year.

The better question is to understand why the obsession with the second year 4th round draft pick backup QB on the roster and the implication that he just HAS to be some gem that Bill is letting rot on the bench when every single bit of evidence we have says he’s anything but that.

And the insistence that we fans see what he’s got. I don’t recall anyone insisting that we see what Rohan Davey or Ryan Mallett had. Weird.

Now that I don’t get.

you keep saying this.

Not one person has ever said that Stidham is the guy or used that as an argument why they want to see him play.

There is no one on this board saying that Stidham is some gem or great player. People are just saying might as well see if he can even be a solid backup QB on this team. Since Stidham is signed for 2 more years vs. Cam Newton who is done after this year.

 

[Tony2046]

I'm astounded by the amount of support that Cam gets while so clearly being a horrible QB. I can't think of a worse QB in the history of the team. If Stidham had been given the reigns of this team and performed anywhere near as poorly fans here would be asking for his head on a platter.

So what's the deal? Why does Cam get a pass from so many fans?

For me it's not that I support him but that I don't know how to fairly judge him. It's similar to the chicken or the egg debate.

Does Cam suck because he has no viable weapons at TE or WR? Or do the pass catchers suck because Cam is not a good QB? I don't know what the answer is. So I feel like I'd like to give Cam more time to figure it out. He checks all the other boxes perfectly. Leadership - check. Charismatic - check. Effort - check.

I think BB can coach his players up better than any other HC in the league but he needs the time to do that which he hasn't had this season because of "the Covid". So I think Cam hasn't had the full benefit of being coached by BB.

I believe the difference between BB and a coach like Arians is that if you gave both eight weeks more time to coach up a team Arians team would stay the same while BBs would win more games.

I also trust BBs judgement. If Stidham was a better option than Cam he'd be the starter. Apparently he isn't so he's not.

I do agree that the results, thus far, have been horrible but I just don't know where to place the blame. I do wonder what the results would have been if this had been a normal season and BB had the time to coach.

 

[sb1]

you keep saying this.

Not one person has ever said that Stidham is the guy or used that as an argument why they want to see him play.

There is no one on this board saying that Stidham is some gem or great player. People are just saying might as well see if he can even be a solid backup QB on this team. Since Stidham is signed for 2 more years vs. Cam Newton who is done after this year.

The Pats under BB haven’t tried out anyone to be a backup role QB and I wouldn’t expect that to start now. If they don’t go with Hoyer I expect it will be another vet.

Sure it’s implied. There isn’t any other reason why we insist we “see what he’s got”. I don’t want to see what he’s got any more than I wanted to see what Ryan Mallett had. He has showed nothing in any game. He isn’t a starter or a “solid backup”. He’s a soon to be 25 year old non prospect. For comparison, Tebow was here at age 25 and how did that turn out.

 

[captain stone]

Bill would need like 3-4 abysmal seasons to even consider it and even then it would be controversial

If Bill has 3 more seasons like this, then I hope he at least has the decency to "retire."

 

[sambam94]

the dude can't throw the football, it's that simple

 

[1960Pats]

For me it's not that I support him but that I don't know how to fairly judge him. It's similar to the chicken or the egg debate.

Does Cam suck because he has no viable weapons at TE or WR? Or do the pass catchers suck because Cam is not a good QB? I don't know what the answer is. So I feel like I'd like to give Cam more time to figure it out. He checks all the other boxes perfectly. Leadership - check. Charismatic - check. Effort - check.

I think BB can coach his players up better than any other HC in the league but he needs the time to do that which he hasn't had this season because of "the Covid". So I think Cam hasn't had the full benefit of being coached by BB.

I believe the difference between BB and a coach like Arians is that if you gave both eight weeks more time to coach up a team Arians team would stay the same while BBs would win more games.

I also trust BBs judgement. If Stidham was a better option than Cam he'd be the starter. Apparently he isn't so he's not.

I do agree that the results, thus far, have been horrible but I just don't know where to place the blame. I do wonder what the results would have been if this had been a normal season and BB had the time to coach.

At the start of the season the thought here was that the Pats had an advantage over teams with less time. Now it's been turned into an excuse for why the team, and especially Newton, have played so poorly. I'm not buying that excuse.

I also think the lack of prep time is a more important influence on a young player like Stidham. That could be the reason why Bill went with Cam, the more experienced player as the starter and had Hoyer as the original backup QB.

Cam Newton has been horrible this year and I don't think it's been because of a lack of coaching or a lack of weapons. On the flip side, one of the dipsticks (the burper) on WEEI is claiming that Cam's being criticized too much because of his skin color. What a pathetic take that is.

It's very easy to see that no matter what color he is Cam just plain sucks and for some reason is getting a pass by many fans here. I still don't understand why.

 

[1960Pats]

For the record...showing up , working hard and talking a good game are essential to the "Patriot Way"

For the record, Cam's own words when he came into the league were that he wanted to "be an icon." He should have been more focused on being the best QB he could be instead.

Also, talk is cheap and is very different than the Patriot Way.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

For the record, Cam's own words when he came into the league were that he wanted to "be an icon." He should have been more focused on being the best QB he could be instead.

Also, talk is cheap and is very different than the Patriot Way.

Yah because a near boy at age 22 is the exact same person after over a decade of adulthood later.
I hold nothing some moron does or says at 22 or so against them for life. I am speaking with authority from personal moron experience.


No offense intended to the moron population posting here on Patsfans polluting threads.

 

[Thelonious]

I see your dislike for Cam extends beyond just football/work ethic and being an excellent teammate. A great example for a kid coming in with a fresh arm.

I'm sure the new guy will have his own fashion sense and social media people ..don't worry pal. That is stuff 'outside' of football. Speaking more to what happens Inside the building.

What has been "happening inside the building" has resulted in a losing team.

And yes, I have no use for somebody who obviously devotes more time to charm offenses and haberdashery decisions than to the game he's paid to play. Congratulations on your little mancrush, but this is a football team, not a dating app.

 

[Nehalem]

Unfortunately it doesn't exactly work like that. The team would be very bad in the pass game regardless. The reason we have been competetive is because we went with our natural strength, which is the run. We have a QB who passes less than any QB who began the year as a starter and is still one of the most productive rushing QB's in the league.

You bring in someone else and pass more, you move away from your strength and lean into your weakness. Even with a better QB the passing game is still going to suck. It sucked the last half of 2019 with Brady passing the ball and it was largely a historically good defense that kept us respectable, but even that team was going nowhere fast and was apparent after the first half of the year.

And you can't go with a run heavy offense with Mahomes at QB?

The offense suck in the last half of 2019 because it wasn't good rushing the ball either.

2020 Patriots offense with Mahomes is more like the 2018 run heavy playoff offense, but with a QB that is actually mobile.

 

[lancerman]

And you can't go with a run heavy offense with Mahomes at QB?

The offense suck in the last half of 2019 because it wasn't good rushing the ball either.

2020 Patriots offense with Mahomes is more like the 2018 run heavy playoff offense, but with a QB that is actually mobile.

Mahomes can run but he’s not a run first QB. His best strengths are a lot closer to Rodgers where he is mobile to scramble and throw off balance.

Mahomes has never rushed for more than 300 yards and he’s never had more than 2 rushing TD’s. Meanwhile Cam never played a full 16 game year where he rushed for less than 500 yards and he habitually breaks 6+ rushing TD’s and is having his third double digit season on rushing TD’s.

It’s completely different. Mahomes could extend plays here, but the things is either Watkins, Kelce or Hill are guaranteed to get open. That’s not true here. He would experience a severe downgrade.

Cam’s game has always been to be a run threat and get teams to commit to contacting for run defense and make the passive and patient, then take some deep passes into the soft spots that creates.

 

[1960Pats]

Yah because a near boy at age 22 is the exact same person after over a decade of adulthood later.
I hold nothing some moron does or says at 22 or so against them for life. I am speaking with authority from personal moron experience.


No offense intended to the moron population posting here on Patsfans polluting threads.

That came up in another thread earlier and I noted that he has matured. He hasn't matured as a QB though.

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

What has been "happening inside the building" has resulted in a losing team.

And yes, I have no use for somebody who obviously devotes more time to charm offenses and haberdashery decisions than to the game he's paid to play. Congratulations on your little mancrush, but this is a football team, not a dating app.

Surely it's all Cams fault then and the shirt he decides to wear..also the posts on social media. Sensing a major generational gap with this one....